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ultimafule
Of course, this wouldn't stop them from using the UFO meme to cover-up other activities.
The paedophilia details that were obscured by the whole Satanic Ritual Abuse witchhunt seemed to have completely obscured the reality of the child sexual abuse that WAS going on.
ZetaRediculian
reply to post by OneManArmy
The paedophilia details that were obscured by the whole Satanic Ritual Abuse witchhunt seemed to have completely obscured the reality of the child sexual abuse that WAS going on.
I have a hard time reconciling that as well but then would such a big deal be made if someone was a devout catholic or even a member of the penn state faculty?
Eidolon23
reply to post by OneManArmy
Figures on annual revenue generated by the sale of CP are hard to come by, but by conservative estimates, it is currently in excess of 3 billion dollars.
No small potatoes, that.
tetra50
Although your use of language and writing skills is definitively penultimate, we go back to how, exactly , mind war is conducted, utlized and applied. Not mind control? How exactly, then, are our ideologies as humans (and what are you, by the way, as it sounds in your dissertation, like you separate from human), identified and therefore, "grouped," as you describe our intent as a whole? For your identified objective, there, seems to be at total odds with the methods for achieving what you claim to be seeking, through "mind war." Just the title, there, says it all. For how else could you be warring with minds, if it were not the seeking to first read them, extrapolate what minds wish for most, and then gently manipulate this, and then sell it as a function of "grouping," and therfore, serving the greater good?
Tetra50
Eidolon23
Those who are genuinely concerned with mitigating or eliminating the human suffering caused by warfare would be better served to look at the underlying causes (resource allocation, class hatred, disempowerment of the individual, etc., etc.), and addressing it from that angle. It's an approach that has never been seriously attempted, and it's certainly worth a shot.
maquino
I daresay the poster here who said that he'd rather be shot or blown up than have his state of mind changed from mindless fury to considerate cooperation has never been in close combat.
maquino
tetra50
Although your use of language and writing skills is definitively penultimate, we go back to how, exactly , mind war is conducted, utlized and applied. Not mind control? How exactly, then, are our ideologies as humans (and what are you, by the way, as it sounds in your dissertation, like you separate from human), identified and therefore, "grouped," as you describe our intent as a whole? For your identified objective, there, seems to be at total odds with the methods for achieving what you claim to be seeking, through "mind war." Just the title, there, says it all. For how else could you be warring with minds, if it were not the seeking to first read them, extrapolate what minds wish for most, and then gently manipulate this, and then sell it as a function of "grouping," and therfore, serving the greater good?
Tetra50
I've been asked variations on this question earlier in the thread, and attempted to answer them, including most recently with the book extract concerning "What It Is/Isn't". I don't know how many other ways I can say it.
MW is far from a perfect solution to PW, but I think it is a better alternative for all the reasons in the book, if it is undertaken responsibly and ethically, and there is just no way to "failsafe" that. I am looking for "the best way out of a bad situation (modern, endless, irrational PW)", and this is my best shot. I am the first person to applaud if you've got a better idea. Otherwise the alternative to MW is to just let PW continue grinding up people and their homes & means of livelihood, which sucks. All too often we in "insulated" places like the USA view PW as a sort of abstraction that happens to anonymous people elsewhere, but are we going to have pizza for lunch and how do you like the new iPhone OS7?
I daresay the poster here who said that he'd rather be shot or blown up than have his state of mind changed from mindless fury to considerate cooperation has never been in close combat. I have, many times, and it's ghastly. It's not like in the movies, where you tacitly assume that no one really gets hurt. MW is a big bite, because I set out to come up with something that would just stop all of that. I don't want one more dead or injured American coming home, and I don't want any more dead or injured people anywhere else because of what we do either.
I think that the redesign of the Army's three Special Operations branches from their present "battlefield janitor" usage to what I propose in MW can do the job. I am not holding my breath, because there are lots of people and big-moneyed interests who like PW just fine. But I want to plant the seed.
maquino
MW is a shot at exactly that. Throughout the entire text and the operational system therein, constant reference is made to "diagnosing and treating the 'disease', not the 'symptoms'". E.g. You'll never get anywhere by just hitting back at people who are pissed off. You need to discover why they are PO in the first place and fix that. That is what the entire function of the redesigned ParaPolitics Branch is all about. It's the function of the other two branches - MW and MetaForce - to calm things down long enough for PPB to be able to do this.
Eidolon23
It is not necessary to directly experience a phenom in order to make an informed conjecture of its effects. Having a limber imagination, a strong empathic faculty, and several relatives and friends who have seen the horror up close and personal makes me secure in standing by my previous statement: better disfigurement of the body than rape of the mind.
"Mindless fury"? Are all combatants uncouth savages with no just cause, then?
And "considerate cooperation"?
maquino
Power for its own sake - not from the runaway idealism of perfectibility - disintegrates a community into selfishness and cynicism. Self-preservation can become overactive in a state suffering from other distortions or disruptions, resulting in personal alienation from [what remains of] the community and anarchy.
maquino
I have had enough firsthand experience to have an utter abhorrence for it, which is why I am trying to stop it.
I repeat: If you have better ideas, by all means air them.
MW is about not upsetting mental applecarts. It is a controlled, constantly-monitored and -adjusted process throughout. It is also finite. Once PPB has done its job, MWB "turns off the switch" and everyone leaves.
Eidolon23
MW is about not upsetting mental applecarts. It is a controlled, constantly-monitored and -adjusted process throughout. It is also finite. Once PPB has done its job, MWB "turns off the switch" and everyone leaves.
Give me one scenario where this has actually happened.
Eidolon23
"Fixing it" by your (and by extension the principles you represent) definition appears to consist of reframing the same old exploitative practices so that they're more palatable to the exploited, rather than actually seeking change and redress.
If we really gave a crap, we'd be exporting everything we love about America (egalitarianism, personal freedom, free enterprise, personal responsibility), rather than razing existing infrastructure and maximizing regional instability, following it up by bringing in our own corporations to profit off the reconstruction effort.
maquino
This has nothing whatever to do with the MW mechanism/process. It does not intrude on socio/economic systems. It is an immediate-situation PW-stopping/prevention device.
The kinds of international problems you mention here are far more complex. I don't "blank out" any of them. But in the MW book I have not set out to reform all of human civilization. [That will take me at least until next week.]
maquino
This has nothing whatever to do with the MW mechanism/process. It does not intrude on socio/economic systems. It is an immediate-situation PW-stopping/prevention device.
The kinds of international problems you mention here are far more complex.
The big question, as previously raised here, is whether the big interests in Washington [and Wall Street] will give it the green light to do so.
All of that "everything we love" is, unfortunately, imagination rather than reality.
PSYOP personnel live in a world in which "all concepts are variables, not constants" and nothing is "dispassionately objective". It is very freaky, and many people can't handle it.
PSYOP personnel live in a world in which "all concepts are variables, not constants" and nothing is "dispassionately objective".
It is very freaky, and many people can't handle it.
Eidolon23
You can't stop war by shifting its practice to another platform.
The Magus
Men love war because it allows them to look serious. Because they imagine that it is the one thing that stops women laughing at them. In it they can reduce women to the status of objects. That is the great distinction between the sexes. Men see objects; women see the relationship between objects. Whether the objects need each other, love each other, match each other. It is an extra dimension of feeling we men are without, and one that makes war abhorrent to all real women - and absurd. I will tell you what war is. War is a psychosis caused by an inability to see relationships. Our relationship with our fellowmen. Our relationship with our economic and historical situation. And above all our relationship to nothingness. To death. - Maurice Conchis
1. Divert funding into educating oppressed populations within the target culture.
2. Allow fair use of resources and support the local economy by funnelling money to small business initiatives.
3. Support small-scale local agriculture.
4. ANYTHING BUT OIL.
5. Reduce the need for internecine conflict and US intervention by transitioning our economy away from a structure where 1 in 8 jobs depends on military spending.
6. Neuter the black market by legalizing ****.
Give me one scenario where this has actually happened.
Eidolon23
Proud to be an American, arentcha? No, but seriously, what are you upholding, if not those truths we hold to be self-evident?