Forced to take flu vaccine or get fired.

If that is the hill you want to die on, metaphorically, more power to you but I am not sure what else you would expect in a hospital.
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Exactly...great reply...there is something to be said for simplified advice...

reply to post by toast317


Did you not know the job requirements of the hospital before you took the job? This policy has been around for awhile.

Seems pretty shallow on your part to take a job then just quit.

Did they surprise you with this information?

Tinkerpeach
reply to post by Murgatroid

 

I must have missed the news stories of the millions of people who have dropped dead from the flu vaccine.

We need to stop this madness.

It's not like that and you know it. There are plenty of articles where later on in life many complications have been linked back to flu shots. There's just too much what if's and conspiracy theories on the topic and not enough proof that they are indeed safe. Like I said, I have taken many other vaccinations no problem for employment at the hospital, and constantly let them check me for anything by taking my blood.

You won't just drop dead, stop exaggerating... -_-
We may be nuts, but there's a method to our madness.

autopat51
reply to post by toast317

 

i have never had a flu shot..and have never had the flu.
i wouldnt allow my kids to get shots either..they have never had the flu.
i have never been forced into it..and wont be...
i have read quite a bit about these shots and dont like what i read.

Hello,

I respect your opinion. I've had the flu once. I went from a state of thinking I was going to die to a state of wishing I would die just so I wouldn't be sick anymore. The only sickness I've experienced worse than the flu was pneumonia. If you don't want to get vaccinated, then don't, and I am glad you have the cajones to speak your mind about it.

You say you 'wouldn't' allow your kids to get shots either. What if they wanted to? I agree with you that nobody should be forced into it ... but what about forced out of it? ... I'm just saying. -Cheers

Tinkerpeach
reply to post by toast317

 

Did you not know the job requirements of the hospital before you took the job? This policy has been around for awhile.

Seems pretty shallow on your part to take a job then just quit.

Did they surprise you with this information?

I've had the job for 8 months, It's not like I'm just obtaining it and leaving.

I honestly wasn't aware about the flu shots being mandatory. Once I sit down and think about it I admit I should of saw it coming. But to be honest with this whole moving out ordeal and many life issues I'm working out, flu shots were the last thing on my mind. Then one day our boss comes up to us and says "okay, here are the dates you guys are receiving flu shots, and anyone who doesn't comply will be terminated". With them being 5 days from then.

However dumb on my behalf it may be, I didn't see it coming.

reply to post by toast317


I would dispute that finding 100%.

I'm sure you have some supporting study to back up that claim because I no of no such study ever being published.

There are plenty of myths you can find on the internet, however, none of them validated.

reply to post by toast317


Well if you want some realistic advice I would say to re-think this very hard. It sounds like a decent well paying job and those are hard to come by in today's world so quitting it over some myth that flu shots are bad for you is stepping outside of our conspiracy forums and affecting you in the real world.

Plenty of people take the flu shots and are just fine. There is absolutely no documented evidence that flu shots will have any long term effects other than possibly making you more susceptible to other strands of flu virus.

Even that is not worth losing a good job over.

Tinkerpeach
reply to post by toast317

 

Well if you want some realistic advice I would say to re-think this very hard. It sounds like a decent well paying job and those are hard to come by in today's world so quitting it over some myth that flu shots are bad for you is stepping outside of our conspiracy forums and affecting you in the real world.

Plenty of people take the flu shots and are just fine. There is absolutely no documented evidence that flu shots will have any long term effects other than possibly making you more susceptible to other strands of flu virus.

Even that is not worth losing a good job over.

I will definitely be thinking about it over the next few days for sure. While I'm almost certain of what my decision will be, it's good to hear other peoples opinions on here and reconsider some things. I'll get back to you on some of the articles I've read about flu shots and link them tomorrow. It's 1am here and I gotta be up early. Goodnight everyone and talk to you tomorrow.

Swallow your pride and get the vaccination. 22$ hr is hard to come nowadays, especially for someone of your age.

Get your diet in check to keep your health at optimum levels and get the shot. Sometimes you gotta take one for the team.

Tinkerpeach
reply to post by toast317

 

Well if you want some realistic advice I would say to re-think this very hard. It sounds like a decent well paying job and those are hard to come by in today's world so quitting it over some myth that flu shots are bad for you is stepping outside of our conspiracy forums and affecting you in the real world.

Plenty of people take the flu shots and are just fine. There is absolutely no documented evidence that flu shots will have any long term effects other than possibly making you more susceptible to other strands of flu virus.

Even that is not worth losing a good job over.

Star to you! Sage advice indeed. If the reason for quitting goes on the work record ... this person will be "toast." Why do I feel trolled???

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Lying isn't a part of the real world? |'d wager the OP KNOWS what is the decision that affords the best sleep. Another new cog in this real world is asking strangers they'll never meet for advice on all different forums strewn throughout the interweb. Some reply with witticisms and some will type anything in the pursuit of the accumulation of a "star" again, from a someOne they'll probably never meet.

It simply good sense for flu vaccination to be mandatory in the case of health care professionals who are likely to come into contact with patients suffering from the worst strains of influenza. Of course it's no certainty that they'll be protected from every conceivable strain but their odds of not contracting the disease are vastly better than non-vaccinated workers.

My corporation provides a free vaccination program every year but it's not mandatory and I always choose to get the shot having had near fatal influenza in the past. I don't work in the health care industry but I do come into contact with a lot of fellow citizens and the company has realised a dramatic reduction in annual flu-related sick leave since the free vaccination service was implemented. They've also installed hand sterilisation stations at all entry points to main buildings as an extra precaution. In the pre vaccination days there had been as much as 50% or even more of the work force down with severe influenza for weeks in the worst years but that no longer happens (so far anyway).

If you're in excellent health and not working in a city, travelling in crowded public transport or frequently in close contact with large numbers of people, then you can afford to take your chances. If you do catch it, your immune system will fight it off and give you future protection. In the worst case of being elderly, weak or anything else that compromises the immune system and exposed to possibly infected people makes vaccination highly advisable.

If I was working for the hospital and they forced me to take a flu vaccine since I have a severe reaction to them, I would just quit and file a law suit. I have been told by two doctors that the reaction I get from the shot can be very serious and I should not get the shot. Supposedly I already have a good immunity to the viruses that are out there so far. A sort of broad form insurance plan. Now I am aware that new strains of the virus may override this system but since I know that my immune system can possibly kill me from taking the shot, it is not worth the risk to take the shot.

I have to say though, there is probably no written evidence of my conversations with the doctors. I did not see the doctors write this down in my records anywhere. So there is no proof that I know of in my records. That means the records that are used as evidence to show that these vaccines are safe are probably flawed. I am sure that this is not limited to me, I think there are hundreds of thousands minimum in this country with the same problem. Who would remember to list on their paperwork that they cannot get a flu shot. They ask if you are allergic to any medicines, a flu shot is a vaccine, not a medicine that you would think of.


Anyone who has a severe reaction to flu vaccines should add this to their records as an allergy to medicines.

toast317

abecedarian
Very difficult decision to make, I agree. I work on cellular sites and every so often may require access to a hospital's facilities as they are tall buildings which are conducive to antenna installation and also could have DAS installed. Part of the requirements to access are either I have to be recently, verifiably vaccinated or sign a waiver that I will not hold the hospital accountable should I become ill.

I sign the waiver; maybe that's an option for you? Were I an employee of a hospital which required vaccinations, I would opt to let them terminate my employment rather than simply fail to show up if the waiver cannot be negotiated.

Do remember that should you become ill, they have to call in someone to replace you which means they may have to hire additional employees in order to ensure someone can be there.

I wish I could give them a 2 weeks notice to quit, I really do. Cause I know such short notice is going to screw over my co-workers with that missing persons shift needing covered and I have nothing against them, but it's just the way things are. Tuesday after work I'll put in my notice of my immediate resignation. Not a day sooner then Tuesday because I want to soak up as much hours as possible, however cheap that might be, cause they will want to fire me on the spot as soon as I do that.
Great co-workers suffer at the hands of bad management sadly.

My suggestion is not to give them notice: show up, refuse the vaccination on moral / ethical grounds, and let them fire you. Be calm but steadfast in your discussions with the boss and state your willingness to sign a waiver should the permit it. They'll likely terminate your employment anyways, unless you can get them to approve a waiver. If terminated, you have termination against your moral and ethical objections, by the employer, on your side.

Be sure you have some 'factual' information you can present the boss with when the time comes. You could walk in with a folder full of data showing doctors and nurses refusing vaccination because of inadequate research and such if the data is there, and if they refuse and retain their jobs, why can't you?

Approach it from a logical, not emotional, standpoint.

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I must have missed the news stories of the millions of people who have dropped dead from the flu vaccine.

Exactly, this relates to my previous post.

But, as usual, hysteria trumps logic. And yet we - "the ones who get it" continue to wonder why the world is such a mess. How many see the forest through the trees?

Answer- very few.

rickymouse
I have been told by two doctors that the reaction I get from the shot can be very serious and I should not get the shot.

... Then you should follow that advice. Your healthcare professional is following their hippocratic oath. OTOH, most people don't walk in your shoes and the advice from their healthcare professional is to take the vaccination. If everyone but you were vaccinated, the odds of you coming down with the flu are that much more reduced.

I could go on and on ... -Cheers!!

reply to post by Tinkerpeach


I never choked on a peanut but I lost the use of my right arm for 6 days and the left side of my neck was swollen to the size the Hulk's, after getting the vaccine back in 2008. I have been instructed to not ever take another vaccine by my doctors.

I work in a hospital and I am waiting for them to give me that ultimatum. If they do I will be applying for unemployment.

I think the flu vaccine is the biggest scam they have ever pulled over the eyes of the people. The vaccine they give you is absolutely useless for the strain of flu you may encounter this year. It is even questionable if it will protect you from the last year's flu. If you had the flu last year or were exposed to the flu last year then you already have natural antibodies to last years flu; so you are even better protected from last years flu. You still receive no protection from this years flu from the vaccine, so why are they lying and forcing people to take these toxins?

People really should be asking themselves why they are forcing these shots. We didn't have all these vaccines before and I don't remember any pandemics or whole cities being wiped out by the flu in the past. Now suddenly you are going be responsible for the destruction of all life on earth because you refuse a vaccine that doesn't even stop you from getting the flu?

I have a bridge in my back yard that will magically take you to your desired location. It is for sale to the highest bidder.

toast317
You have to ask yourself how far you're willing to go for your beliefs. Lots of us here online are opposed to flu vaccination. I completely refuse to comply, no matter how dumb of a move for me financially it is.

I'm not willing to go anywhere for a mere "belief." Facts however are an entirely different matter. You would be doing yourself a favor to go look up some actual (credible) research before you put any stock into a mere "belief" you have formed by reading posts on ATS about vaccines or dozens of other topics.

Not that ATS is misleading per se, it isn't -- it's a forum. But a lot of people quote stray websites maintained by political hacks promoting various causes and "scientists" who turn out to be high school teachers with degrees in education.

reply to post by Tinkerpeach

I must have missed the news stories of the millions of people who have dropped dead from the flu vaccine.

FACT: if it's in the "news", it has absolutely NOTHING to do with reality.

Stories of the people dieing from vaccines will NEVER appear in the media simply because it doesn't fit the MSM agenda...

The biggest mystery to me is WHY people are gullible enough to actually believe what the mass media propaganda is telling them.

If it's in the "NEWS" it's propaganda, PERIOD...

If it's NOT in the "NEWS" it's for a very good reason...

EVERYTHING in the mainstream apparatus is agenda driven.

Mass media is the most powerful tool used by the ruling class to manipulate the masses. It shapes and molds opinions and attitudes and defines what is normal and acceptable.

Mind Control Theories and Techniques used by Mass Media

abecedarian

My suggestion is not to give them notice: show up, refuse the vaccination on moral / ethical grounds, and let them fire you.

The OP works for a hospital. The hospital's accreditation is dependent on a recurring three year review by The Joint Commission. Quit, and that's one thing ... get fired and you've got different issues. The OP is young and stepping out into deep water.