The Third Secret of Fatima and the "Black Pope".

ccross
Matthew 16:18 "And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it". Christ was very clear that the Church will not ever fall. Any "prophesy" that says otherwise is false and not from God.

as a member of no religious orgs., let me inform categorically from self-evident scripture that the roman church has been anti-christ since before being bought by the empire.

no church was founded upon a man, this is a reference to peter's name (a stone) being related to the boulder of faith which founded the tradition. furthermore, there is not one word about peter ever going near rome in the entire bible, and no 'pope' on a throne (from the roman pagan pontifex); indeed, none of jesus's admonitions is clearer than his insistence on never, EVER glorifying mortal men with the spiritual title 'father', much less the astounding 'holy father', which exclusively refers to the divine in scripture.

a church is where 2 or more gather in his name, and all are siblings in christ with no 'priestly caste' (gatekeepers and toll-collectors) permitted. no true faith could be compulsory on pain of horrible torture or death, or could burn people with their bibles for possessing them and learning of the roman abomination's deceit and treachery. worshipping saints and statues--totally alien and antagonistic to every breath of the man jesus.

'she (the whore of babylon in the city of 7 hills) is drunk on the blood of the saints' refers to the fact that anyone who has tried to follow the true jesus rather than this roman demon military mascot version of christ has been traditionally murdered by this abominable cult. ("oh, you don't call our priest 'father' because you illegally read this in 'our' secret bible? we'll just have to fire you up as an example of disobedience to our (un)holy imperial institution!)

the miracle of the golden greed kingdom of the vatican is its hellish ability to brainwash children such that they can believe that such an excremental perversion of scripture is 'the true faith.'

reply to post by ouvertaverite


So, your theory is that, within a handful of years of Jesus' death, God allowed his church to fall into corruption, derailing his plan of salvation, and condemning untold millions of believers that he supposedly loves, until some brainbox in the 1500s, 1800s or later set a small number of followers straight?

Kind of an ineffectual god you've got there.

reply to post by adjensen


Kind of? 'Kind of' doesn't even begin to cover it. That god is more ineffective than an inflatable dartboard. Or a screen door on a submarine.

ccross
We need to understand that the Church itself will never fall even though people inside the Church will, and do fall all the time. A common misunderstanding is that the Pope is infallible which only is apllicable when he speaks "from the seat of Peter". A pope can have opinions and make statements that are not bound by infallibility, and as we have seen there have been a few evil popes in the past. Christ also spoke about wolves in his Church, just like one of his apostles betraying him. The point is that the Church itself will never fail or go astray.
And yes the Bible was referring to the only Church that goes back to Peter, the Catholic Church. If he wasn't talking about an actual institution that is visible and concrete than what would be the point of creating a church at all? We cannot pay any attention to any protestant denominations because they have nothing to do with the church founded by Christ. Simple logic shows that none of them could exist anyways without the Bible, and the bible would not exist today had the Catholic church not decided the Canon and then, of course, kept it safe for 1500 years before Martin Luther decided to betray Christ.

edit on 9/13/2013 by ccross because: (no reason given)

wow, they've done a good job on you. never mind that the bible preaches the exact opposite of all your pagan pratices (such as replacing particular gods with 'saints' to worship), plus the fact that it was long a capital offense for your likes to read it! you would have been burned to death along with your bible, as many were, understand?!

true faith is not ever founded on a man (esp. one who couldn't even keep vigil 'til dawn!)--that was word play over peter's name; and where is he ever near rome in scripture?

jesus said to render unto ceasar what was his (gold) and unto the lord what is his (faith)--not to render his faith unto ceasar so he could turn jesus into a demon from hell to be used as a mascot by the same rapacious army which destroyed his homeland!

insanity that things could be so twisted and distorted for sinister purposes!

adjensen
reply to post by ouvertaverite

 

So, your theory is that, within a handful of years of Jesus' death, God allowed his church to fall into corruption, derailing his plan of salvation, and condemning untold millions of believers that he supposedly loves, until some brainbox in the 1500s, 1800s or later set a small number of followers straight?

Kind of an ineffectual god you've got there.

how many times did jesus speak of false prophets and religions, wolves in sheep's clothing? it's one of the main themes from minute one of his ministry: many will do all these things in my name, but i will say 'get behind me--i don't know you!'

silly question, imo. i'm just pointing out blatant facts.

reply to post by ouvertaverite


I don't think that you read what I wrote, or maybe you just didn't understand it. Your belief that the church fell into apostasy within a generation of Christ's death is as nonsensical as it was when Joseph Smith claimed the same thing when he founded Mormonism.

AfterInfinity
reply to post by adjensen

 

Kind of? 'Kind of' doesn't even begin to cover it. That god is more ineffective than an inflatable dartboard. Or a screen door on a submarine.

edit on 16-9-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

and so you guys are saying that the 'true church' is meant to violate all the teachings, replace mercy with murder of any not bowing to their perversion, esp. the few who follow the narrow path and who have no 'fathers' in this world? jesus said his kingdom is not of this world--unlike that palace of golden ornaments encrusted with diamonds and rubies which has constantly 'fornicated with earthly kings', i.e. sought ever more earthly power to enslave (yes, ask the new world inhabitants). how can a compulsory faith be real? how can christ's church murder by the millions? do they somehow render you guys insane with the catechism?

adjensen
reply to post by ouvertaverite

 

I don't think that you read what I wrote, or maybe you just didn't understand it. Your belief that the church fell into apostasy within a generation of Christ's death is as nonsensical as it was when Joseph Smith claimed the same thing when he founded Mormonism.

the roman church was rendered unto ceasar by a certain bishop after another who couldn't see it as the official religion of the putrid empire died. could you explain what you're implying? there have always been a few who kept the teachings, but they were routinely murdered by the romans--so, notwithstanding, the faithful never ceased to be. look at the fruits of your abominable golden palace! murder is not mercy--calling a mortal man your spiritual father is not following jesus of scripture or inspiration, it is only begging for abject exploitation of you and your children.

ouvertaverite

adjensen
reply to post by ouvertaverite

 

I don't think that you read what I wrote, or maybe you just didn't understand it. Your belief that the church fell into apostasy within a generation of Christ's death is as nonsensical as it was when Joseph Smith claimed the same thing when he founded Mormonism.

the roman church was rendered unto ceasar by a certain bishop after another who couldn't see it as the official religion of the putrid empire died. could you explain what you're implying? there have always been a few who kept the teachings, but they were routinely murdered by the romans--so, notwithstanding, the faithful never ceased to be. look at the fruits of your abominable golden palace! murder is not mercy--calling a mortal man your spiritual father is not following jesus of scripture or inspiration, it is only begging for abject exploitation of you and your children.

furthermore, the 'church' to which you make reference is, according to jesus in scripture, any place where two or more gather in his name to worship the most high. all are brothers and sisters in christ, equal in god's eyes; no gatekeepers or toll collectors, no repetitive hocus-pocus, no 'fathers' nor certainly any "holy father' (an abominal misuse of the title of god in scripture). in other words, the church is not this imperial institution with huge hierarchies and powers that you refer to. it's wherever 2 or more gather in supreme humility to share faith--that's all.

ouvertaverite

adjensen
reply to post by ouvertaverite

 

I don't think that you read what I wrote, or maybe you just didn't understand it. Your belief that the church fell into apostasy within a generation of Christ's death is as nonsensical as it was when Joseph Smith claimed the same thing when he founded Mormonism.

the roman church was rendered unto ceasar by a certain bishop after another who couldn't see it as the official religion of the putrid empire died. could you explain what you're implying?

I'm implying that you don't know what you're talking about, and we can start with your belief that the church was started by Caesar. You don't seem to understand thing one about early church history, which is probably where your ignorance of the relationship with the Catholic church and the Roman government begins.

I'd suggest you go to your local library or bookshop and get a copy of James Hitchcock's History of the Catholic Church and enlighten yourself.

adjensen

ouvertaverite

adjensen
reply to post by ouvertaverite

 

I don't think that you read what I wrote, or maybe you just didn't understand it. Your belief that the church fell into apostasy within a generation of Christ's death is as nonsensical as it was when Joseph Smith claimed the same thing when he founded Mormonism.

the roman church was rendered unto ceasar by a certain bishop after another who couldn't see it as the official religion of the putrid empire died. could you explain what you're implying?

I'm implying that you don't know what you're talking about, and we can start with your belief that the church was started by Caesar. You don't seem to understand thing one about early church history, which is probably where your ignorance of the relationship with the Catholic church and the Roman government begins.

I'd suggest you go to your local library or bookshop and get a copy of James Hitchcock's History of the Catholic Church and enlighten yourself.

the term 'ceasar' is used generically here to relate to jesus's quote for constantine. would you care to argue that a church of christ is not an imperial hierarchy but rather where 2 or more humbly worship? or that murder is not mercy, or that jesus didn't repeatedly warn of these wolves and pharisees, venerated frauds decked outin babylonian costumes ('scarlet and purple--revelations)?

i mean, from a logical perspective, this argument strikes me as insane--only explained through extreme childhood indoctrination and deceit.

ouvertaverite
i mean, from a logical perspective, this argument strikes me as insane--only explained through extreme childhood indoctrination and deceit.

I wasn't raised in the Christian church, so I guess you'll need to find another explanation.

Jesus said where two or three are gathered in his name, he is there. He didn't say "where two or three are gathered, that's the church." Westboro Baptist reads the same Bible that you do, but I'm guessing that their interpretation of scripture is different than yours -- and that's what "me and my Bible alone" all too often results in.

adjensen

ouvertaverite
i mean, from a logical perspective, this argument strikes me as insane--only explained through extreme childhood indoctrination and deceit.

I wasn't raised in the Christian church, so I guess you'll need to find another explanation.

Jesus said where two or three are gathered in his name, he is there. He didn't say "where two or three are gathered, that's the church." Westboro Baptist reads the same Bible that you do, but I'm guessing that their interpretation of scripture is different than yours -- and that's what "me and my Bible alone" all too often results in.

well, it pales in comparison to the last 1700 years of vatican atrocities--so i guess it could be a lot worse.

reply to post by ouvertaverite



and when i say vatican, i'm aware that this edifice doesn't extend nearly that far back, but it is the result of the continuity of this whole sham.

reply to post by ouvertaverite


Whatever.

Haters gotta hate. Thanks for the demonstration.

ccross
Matthew 16:18 "And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it". Christ was very clear that the Church will not ever fall. Any "prophesy" that says otherwise is false and not from God.

Christ was speaking of the one true church, us he was telling peter and us that the church is the people. The catholic religion, notice I said religion, will fall. Christ church is forever.

The Bot