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DancedWithWolves
OUTRAGE!!! I'm feeling it. Thanks for a great OP.
In my view, to date, I don't believe anyone has the multiple answers it is going to take to fix Fukushima.
I don't believe Tepco or Japan or the NRC or the EPA or any alphabet entity is being honest about the situation on the ground there for fear of losing everything nuclear has paid out in cash to a lot of big fish. Unless they have a cure for cancer they don't have a fix.
Personally I hope we have reached the point where individuals working together from many disciplines and motivated by diverse passions have proven beyond doubt that we all are being lied to and there is a conspiracy to hide much of the damage being done. It's time to demand openess from everyone and ask and ask and ask our leaders to start reporting to the citizens of the world exactly what is going on...daily. Japan and Tepco have lost any rights to this being their national problem. Demand answers from everyone so elected officials have to dig in and face this sh*tstorm that has been created and get the world's help to solve this.
There will not be a quick fix but if we don't bust through the doors they are all hiding behind we are all cooked.
Put everyone who knows anything or should know anything or better start knowing if they represent you in the nuclear hot seat and demand that Fukushima become THE major topic on the table.
I firmly believe the evidence to indict them all has been well documented in the mega thread. Now it's time to turn up the heat and go nuclear in our collective deman for openess and collaboration and finding solutions.
Call EVERYONE....again and again and again...until somebody picks up the hotline because Fukushima is the single greatest disaster we all face.
Human0815
reply to post by ItDepends
A. You accidently mix up the leaked Water from the Tanks (in H4)
with the Groundwater.
B. The Groundwater is very low in Radiation
C. You use a Model of the (NOAA) Height of the Tsunami Waves and claim
this is Radiation, this is wrong!
We here in Japan are very concerned and flooded the Streets
in 2011 and 2012, sadly we got not that much international
Support but our NPPs are still offline and iam sure that they
use only 25-35% of the Plants when they try to restart them.
We are very surprised that absolute nothing happened
and happen in the US. but we think the reason may be
the Fluorides as well as the Unemployment!edit on 11-9-2013 by Human0815 because: info
In a release, Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO) said groundwater showed radiation readings of 3,200 becquerels per litre.
The contamination level compares with government limits of 100 becquerels per kilogramme in food and 10 becquerels per litre in drinking water.
Experts say, if consumed, strontium accumulates in bones and can cause cancer.
Shema
What is the point in stirring outrage? Discuss it, help bring the matter to the attention of everyone, yes. It is clear that the problem is an ongoing one and will remain so into the forseable future so its important to be aware of this. The most vital need as I see it is to stop a complete meltdown. But then I am not an expert so maybe they should allow that to actually occur because the alternative is to keep pumping in clean water and spilling out containated water for possibly the next few thousand years.
This is the extent of the problem facing the peolpe trying to keep the situation stable.
Outrage is not going to help anyone. Stirring up emotions will not spirit the problem away.
DancedWithWolves
reply to post by ItDepends
Too much industry lingo and technical terminology has made it a hard subject to share. And the constant lies and denials from nuker bank and bail bond types has helped hide the disaster. And the dang curtains they even hung up to hide the reactor buildings even. Out of sight...out of mind.
TRIPLE MELTDOWN with enough nuclear fuel ready to pop off and blow us back to the stone age might be an easier explanation.
ItDepends
reply to post by crankyoldman
"An INTERNATIONAL problem with no obvious solution usually finds its way to the UN in some form or another, but in this case the international scene is eerily quiet and this is for a reason - someone with more power then anyone known on earth wants things this way."
WOW! You certainly bring up some very interesting connections. Your observation about the UN and its' apparent neutral involvement or certainly non-apparent involvement is 'eerily strange'.
Do you possibly have more of a hypothesis on all of this?
Although my thread is more focused on the Fukushima Disaster....and the strange seemingly lack of WorldWide attention to it.....I would be interested in your thoughts about how all of the things you discussed 'may' be tied together.
Thank you very much!!
crankyoldman
ItDepends
reply to post by crankyoldman
"An INTERNATIONAL problem with no obvious solution usually finds its way to the UN in some form or another, but in this case the international scene is eerily quiet and this is for a reason - someone with more power then anyone known on earth wants things this way."
WOW! You certainly bring up some very interesting connections. Your observation about the UN and its' apparent neutral involvement or certainly non-apparent involvement is 'eerily strange'.
Do you possibly have more of a hypothesis on all of this?
Although my thread is more focused on the Fukushima Disaster....and the strange seemingly lack of WorldWide attention to it.....I would be interested in your thoughts about how all of the things you discussed 'may' be tied together.
Thank you very much!!
It is beyond the scope of this thread. The reason I posted this is because folks just don't seem to get why this is happening. If they actually had to THINK that this is not an accident, but a plan of some sort, they might adjust their thinking process. A swat team will show up to a home with a TV that is too loud, yet this mess has had no international swat team show up - in fact, the company that caused the problem is still in charge and they are broke.
Someone is telling people they may not to address it, that is the only explanation. The only country with experience at this is Russia, not TEPCO, JAPAN or anyone else, yet they have been on the sidelines. Why?
The first question folks need to ask: WHY IS THERE NO INTERNATIONAL ATTENTION FOR AN INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM?
crankyoldman
Although my thread is more focused on the Fukushima Disaster....and the strange seemingly lack of WorldWide attention to it.....I would be interested in your thoughts about how all of the things you discussed 'may' be tied together.
Thank you very much!!
crankyoldman
It is beyond the scope of this thread. The reason I posted this is because folks just don't seem to get why this is happening. If they actually had to THINK that this is not an accident, but a plan of some sort, they might adjust their thinking process. A swat team will show up to a home with a TV that is too loud, yet this mess has had no international swat team show up - in fact, the company that caused the problem is still in charge and they are broke.
Someone is telling people they may not to address it, that is the only explanation. The only country with experience at this is Russia, not TEPCO, JAPAN or anyone else, yet they have been on the sidelines. Why?
The first question folks need to ask: WHY IS THERE NO INTERNATIONAL ATTENTION FOR AN INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM?
Earthquake, was a magnitude 9.0 (Mw) undersea megathrust earthquake off the coast of Japan that occurred at 14:46 JST (05:46 UTC) on Friday 11 March 2011,[2][3][12] with the epicentre approximately 70 kilometres (43 mi) east of the Oshika Peninsula of Tōhoku and the hypocenter at an underwater depth of approximately 30 km (19 mi).[2][13] It was the most powerful known earthquake ever to have hit Japan, and the fifth most powerful earthquake in the world since modern record-keeping began in 1900.[
Neopan100
I thought I heard Phage say that the map of the ocean was bunk? I thought they said that all of the radiation would never hit the USA west coast because it will sink to the bottom? Which is it..I don't want alarmist news anymore..I just want the facts..are we truly in danger or will it sink away? I'm just trying to figure this stuff out..and don't know what to believe anymore!
tetra50
crankyoldman
ItDepends
reply to post by crankyoldman
"An INTERNATIONAL problem with no obvious solution usually finds its way to the UN in some form or another, but in this case the international scene is eerily quiet and this is for a reason - someone with more power then anyone known on earth wants things this way."
WOW! You certainly bring up some very interesting connections. Your observation about the UN and its' apparent neutral involvement or certainly non-apparent involvement is 'eerily strange'.
Do you possibly have more of a hypothesis on all of this?
Although my thread is more focused on the Fukushima Disaster....and the strange seemingly lack of WorldWide attention to it.....I would be interested in your thoughts about how all of the things you discussed 'may' be tied together.
Thank you very much!!
It is beyond the scope of this thread. The reason I posted this is because folks just don't seem to get why this is happening. If they actually had to THINK that this is not an accident, but a plan of some sort, they might adjust their thinking process. A swat team will show up to a home with a TV that is too loud, yet this mess has had no international swat team show up - in fact, the company that caused the problem is still in charge and they are broke.
Someone is telling people they may not to address it, that is the only explanation. The only country with experience at this is Russia, not TEPCO, JAPAN or anyone else, yet they have been on the sidelines. Why?
The first question folks need to ask: WHY IS THERE NO INTERNATIONAL ATTENTION FOR AN INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM?
Thank God for you Crankyold man.....someone has to tie all the varying threads together. For they are intended to be woven into the quilt covering what we are currently experiencing, are they not.
And so, though your point may "outcompass," this thread, it's another relevant and closely connected thread, which needs to be shown to let those listening and watching know what is happening. and truly great metaphor, as to the SWAT team showing up if one's tv is too loud, but none showing up here, on an epic, population changing disaster...what a truly exceptional way of illustrating the conundrum here, and what we can deduce from the lack of pertinent response.
Tetra50
Neopan100
I thought I heard Phage say that the map of the ocean was bunk? I thought they said that all of the radiation would never hit the USA west coast because it will sink to the bottom? Which is it..I don't want alarmist news anymore..I just want the facts..are we truly in danger or will it sink away? I'm just trying to figure this stuff out..and don't know what to believe anymore!
If massive amounts of radiation were released into the surface and it floated along like old furniture etc, this is the path it would be expected to take. But radioactive particles behave differently depending on what they are. And for the most part the debris is not expected to be contaminated. Does that mean we are all safe and can continue to live as though it is safe to eat anything in the ocean? Absolutely not, we have been dumping radiation into the environment for decades. Many species of fish travel this circle of ocean currents too, and will pick up increasing contamination with every swim by Japan. Little creatures that live in the ocean bottom near the reactor will stir up the sand and mud, and release some of the particles that are the worst, releasing those radioactive particles into the water and absorbing them at ever-increasing rates. Big fish eat little fish, and the problem escalates right up the food chain.
An ocean current called the North Pacific Gyre is bringing Japanese radiation to the West Coast of North America: While many people assume that the ocean will dilute the Fukushima radiation, a previously-secret 1955 U.S. government report concluded that the ocean may not adequately dilute radiation from nuclear accidents, and there could be “pockets” and “streams” of highly-concentrated radiation.
The leg of the Gyre closest to Japan – the Kuroshio current – begins right next to Fukushima:
a team of top Chinese scientists has just published a study in the Science China Earth Sciences journal showing that the radioactive plume crosses the ocean in a nearly straight line toward North America, and that it appears to stay together with little dispersion:
West Coast of North America to Be Hit Hard by Fukushima Radiation