Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake - PART 2

No Fukushima radiation found in coastal areas.
phys.org...

a reply to: Purplechive

a manual for change:

push the comfort zones of the current 'haves' by making the science of their profit public,

show how that real science is not the same "science" they exclaim

tell your tell while dodging all the arrows aimed at a true scientist

stand and fight

stand your ground

they cannot ...without thousands of uniformed bodies to throw in the face of even one truth

a reply to: GaryN

Oh boy. They don't like that kind of talk around here. You have to be convinced that your sashimi is full of cesium or else.

originally posted by: Alekto
a reply to: GaryN

Oh boy. They don't like that kind of talk around here. You have to be convinced that your sashimi is full of cesium or else.

So did u both just skip this part?

"The results: low levels of a number of different radioactive nuclei produced by the fission of uranium-235 including, cesium-134, cesium-137, and iodine-131."



Read more at: phys.org...


now argue what "low levels" means,,
and how it is just added too the background naturally occuring radioactive particles,,,

now mix it all together,, cause u know its the Atoms that count,,and when certain rare Atoms combine with other rare ,,Atoms,, we get,,,,

ok now spin it from there.

Sincerely,,

Me.

originally posted by: BobAthome

originally posted by: Alekto
a reply to: GaryN

Oh boy. They don't like that kind of talk around here. You have to be convinced that your sashimi is full of cesium or else.

So did u both just skip this part?

"The results: low levels of a number of different radioactive nuclei produced by the fission of uranium-235 including, cesium-134, cesium-137, and iodine-131."


Me.

That was in rain water immediately after the accident not ocean water now

cause u know its the Atoms that count,,and when certain rare Atoms combine with other rare ,,Atoms,, we get,,,,

What does this even mean? Please explain

a reply to: BGTM90

Start here,," Atomic physics",,,, is the subfield of studies, of atoms at an isolated,,,level. "

isolated is the key word,, a lot of "rare Atoms/Elements" a Pandora's Box worth, in my opinion, were brought into this world.
A lot of these released unique Atomic Structures are still , washing into this world at never before rates ,, from ALL sources,, Fukushima being the latest and still ongoing
releaser of these accidently created/released Atomic level matter.

I guess u could say its only a "matter" of time, before a pile is created.

shiite or otherwise.

Survival is simple: Just don't die.

Hey all - here's some interesting stuff on Fukushima - most is current, some is a bit older but still good (so to speak) information.

98,000,000 Bq of all β leaked from contaminated water tank On 9/4/2014.

Tepco reported they found highly contaminated water leaking from the joint part of two tanks. It was desalinated concentrated water. Cs-134/137 density was 9,800,000 Bq/m3, All β nuclide density to include Sr-90 was 98,000,000,000 Bq/m3. They found the crack on the joint part. It became clear that contaminated water facilities are being deteriorated. Tepco fixed the crack with bonding agent and plastic bag for emergency measure, however they haven’t announced any fundamental resolution for the deterioration of the entire facilities.

fukushima-diary.com...

'Tokyo should no longer be inhabited,' Japanese doctor warns residents regarding radiation

Dr. Mita compares radioactive contamination of the soil (measured in becquerels per kilogram, Bq/kg) in various parts of Tokyo with that observed in various portions of Europe following the Chernobyl disaster. Prior to 2011, Shinjuku (the region of Tokyo that houses the municipal government) tested at only 0.5-1.5 Bq/kg. Today, levels at nearby Kodaira are at 200-300 Bq/kg.

"Within the 23 districts of Metropolitan Tokyo, contamination in the east part is 1000-4000 Bq/kg and the west part is 300-1000 Bq/kg," Dr. Mita wrote. For comparison, Kiev (capital of the Ukraine) has soil tested at 500 Bq/kg (Cs-137 only). Following the Chernobyl accident, West Germany and Italy reported levels of 90-100 Bq/kg, and both experienced measurable health effects on their populations.

Dr. Mita notes that the radiation situation in Tokyo is getting worse, not better, due to urban practices of concentrating solid waste in small areas such as municipal dumps and sewage plants. That is why, he says, radiation levels in Tokyo riverbeds have actually been increasing over the prior two years. "Tokyo should no longer be inhabited, and... those who insist on living in Tokyo must take regular breaks in safer areas,"

Dr. Mita writes. "Issues such as depopulation and state decline continue to burden the lives of second and third generation Ukrainians and Belarusians today, and I fear that this may be the future of Eastern Japan." Dr. Mita's essay also chronicles the many cases he has observed of patients presenting with radiation-induced health problems. He notes that, since 2011, he has observed while blood cell counts declining in children under the age of 10, including in children under one year old. In all of these cases, symptoms typically improve if the children move to western Japan.

He has similarly observed persistent respiratory symptoms that improve in patients who move away. Other patients have shown symptoms including "nosebleed, hair loss, lack of energy, subcutaneous bleeding, visible urinary hemorrhage, skin inflammations, coughs and various other non-specific symptoms." He also notes high occurrences of rheumatic muscle symptoms similar to those observed following the Chernobyl disaster. "Ever since 3.11, everybody living in Eastern Japan including Tokyo is a victim, and everybody is involved," he wrote.

www.naturalnews.com...

Fukushima *HOT Particles*- 4 followed by 19 zeroes — that many Bq/kg 300 Miles From Meltdown – Marco Kaltofen

About 25% of samples from Tokyo and Fukushuma have hot particles. Difficult to find a real exposure number because they travel on the wind and get stuck ‘wherever’

www.youtube.com...
(This is an excellent presentation on hot particles from Fukushima, how they are everywhere and difficult to detect.)

1,090 Mega Bq/km2 of Cs-134/137 fallout still observed in July in Fukushima

Still high level of Cesium-134/137 fall in Fukushima prefecture, according to NRA (Nuclear Regulation Authority). On 8/29/2014, NRA released the latest report about fallout in Japan. The report tells 290 M Bq/km2 of Cesium-134 and 800 M Bq/km2 of Cesium-137 were detected in Fukushima prefecture this July. This is 42% more than last month in the total of Cs-134/137. The reason is not verified.

radioactivity.nsr.go.jp...

originally posted by: GaryN
No Fukushima radiation found in coastal areas.
phys.org...

people began to think of the idea of radiation being transported across the Pacific, which of course will happen Read more at: phys.org...

Upon testing these weeds he found extremely low but detectable levels of cesium-134 and cesium-137, still well below limits for safety and health concerns. Read more at: phys.org...

"We looked very hard," Norman says. The scientists sampled their fish, seaweed, and other Pacific products from Hawaii, the Philippines, the West Coast areas, and Japan. But none of these samples showed any indication of radiation from Fukushima, Norman says. Why were radiation levels in these samples so low? "Many radioactive isotopes we saw in the rain water were very short lived," Norman explains. Iodine-131, for instance, has a half-life of just eight days. Additionally, dilution from ocean water plays a significant role. "We're a long way from Japan and there's a lot of water in the Pacific," he says. "Whatever gets dumped in the ocean will get diluted by enormous factors." Read more at: phys.org...

I think one of the issues with Fukushima (and other radiation sources) is that its not neat and tidy - it travels in currents and winds so testing a sample here and there doesn't give an accurate picture of the overall. The article didn't specify what they were testing for or how it was tested - it seems cesium is the norm for tests but I'm (personally) more interested in plutonium. He also never said what the levels were and at one point said there were low levels then said there were none. Also radiation accumulates and takes 'time' to kill unless you're unfortunate to be very close to it.

I'm not debating he found low levels, just saying it's not an accurate portrayal of our real situation. Hot particles are a huge concern and "are" here (North America) and "are" from Fukushima. The video I just posted by Marco Kaltofen is excellent in explaining all about Fukushima hot particles and how difficult they are to detect and deadly when breathed in. There's another video by him with Arnie Gunderson that is also excellent

video.search.yahoo.com...;_ylt=A2KIo9RzPAtUIWsAr3L7w8QF;_ylu=X3o'___'B2amZhdDJiBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDVjE2OARncG9zAzg-?p=toky o+hot+particles+busby&vid=04692f6a7df3c1d83fdb64500c8efd10&l=17%3A23&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DVN.607989188380068848%26pid%3D15.1& rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2YXOCF4WcqQ&tit=Fukushima+*%3Cb%3EHOT+Particles%3C%2Fb%3E*-+4+followed+by+19+zeroes+%E2%80%94+that+man y+Bq%2Fkg+300+Miles+From+Meltdown&c=7&sigr=11ahh1t6s&sigt=135osvp19&age=0&fr=chr-greentree_ff&tt=b

The other huge issue with Fukushima is not only is it not over, but it has the potential to blow out in one form or another because of its precariousness. And it's pouring in to the Pacific 24/7/365. It's an ongoing catastrophe still unfolding.

a reply to: DancedWithWolves
A quick scan of the 'releases' shows a very obvious pattern of obfuscation ( the material is related in a non-intuitive ( totally not defendable or excusable) way ) . Either the 'tepco' "data managers" during this epic crisis are still either totally incompetent ( probably hired to be incompetent at this point ) or are extremely desperate spin doctors....throwing # out there to see how much is noticed/caught

dances..er..danced, would you link the ir photos/handouts

a reply to: wishes

"norman"is being disingenuous. By looking for short lived radio-nucleotides in bioaccumulation (in fish that live in a huge pond of water) three years after the fact of uncontrolled fission ( which produces short lived radio-nucleotides ) he is misdirecting ( or just being incredibly stupid) on purpose the layman's understanding of physics/chemistry/science.

short lived radio-nucleotides are...surprise...short lived . wow. you will not find the remnants of short lived necleotides without recent CRITICALITIES .

The bio-accumulation is the real 'dilution' problem , as biological entities concentrate the "dilution" as non-short term radio-nucleotides...like cesium (having both a short and long term variety) or uranium .

a reply to: wishes
and will be for decades..meaning generations..so will any type of infectious disease , in that time span, be; normal?

a reply to: wishes

I wish I could laugh...but this thread predicted this EXACT thing almost three years ago ( that the situation IS NOT IN CONTROL...) . I wish it could be comedy item that"amateurs" knew what to do from day one , when the "experts" are now three years out and still grasping at ...well let's be generous and call them: straws.

originally posted by: Silverlok
a reply to: wishes

I wish I could laugh...but this thread predicted this EXACT thing almost three years ago ( that the situation IS NOT IN CONTROL...) . I wish it could be comedy item that"amateurs" knew what to do from day one , when the "experts" are now three years out and still grasping at ...well let's be generous and call them: straws.

Yes, I and several others (unfortunately) agree... Lessons from the past have been ignored and mistakes in the present are swept under the rug. They know better but don't do better.

Good to hear from you.

No Fukushima radiation found in coastal areas.
phys.org...

...The article didn't specify what they were testing for or how it was tested - it seems cesium is the norm for tests but I'm (personally) more interested in plutonium...

Very wise focus . Surface boiling of the melt mass has been proven to release uranium ( into solution ) at nearly atomic ( or buckyball) sizes ( ten thousand orders of magnitude smaller than what is necessary to make something an 'aerosol'), and since plutonium is even more reactive the inductive assertion is that not measuring gamma emissions and not looking for the weirder isotopes that happen from uranium and plutonium decay is radically bad science , but surely tEPCO AND THE NUKER INDUSTRY WOULDN'T BE HIDING ANYTHING MORE THAN ALL THE LIES THEY ALREADY HAVE ...I mean , occasionally heroin addicts go straight ..right..hehe

edit: anything under7-10 microns is defined as an aerosol; meaning it's surface area to mass (weight,square to cube ) ratio is so low that gravity is insignificant in trying to define it's trajectory (path) because the thermal and chemical interactions vastly overpower any influence gravity has and are the dominate factors in determining the vector said 'particle' will follow...the upshot is that surface boiling has released both uranium and plutonium into the upper atmosphere that will rain down all over the world for three to four decades

Good to hear from you.

winking out is for genies, I choose to be here ... that little bit of "the tetris of life" is ,ultimately an artform ;-),which is thanks to you :-)

a reply to: Silverlok

The links go to automatic pdf downloads from TEPCO and are ridiculously the only IR images that seem to be shared that I could find in all this time.

Warning...pdf will download upon clicking. So I am just going to paste the url.

www.google.com...://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/handouts/2013/images/handouts _130722_01-e.pdf&cd=2&ved=0CCAQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNF9UUc0NjnZEJrkdzB1Pyr20An3qw&sig2=vxpPWlaHCQgeHB2k1pujAA

And

www.google.com...://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/images/handouts_120612_04-e.p df&cd=3&ved=0CCMQFjAC&usg=AFQjCNFLU5Ew0VgbpqGT9xlPAqVtQEMiDg&sig2=uYaPmNTS4Lq9XY4gLV3nOQ

How in the world TEPCO gets away with not sharing the black box info from Magna bsp cameras or ir images now is beyond me.

Magna bsp recording exploded core

Tepco et.al. withhold black box data on Fukushima

The plant is literally a radiation fire burning above and below ground and cameras are aimed at it that can SEE the radiation. It makes BP look like a hero for showing live feeds of the gulf oil spill. Fukushima they are allowed to hide completely from view.

Sorry for the delay in getting you the links.

a reply to: DancedWithWolves

Speaking of BP......

Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) and BP Singapore (BPS), an affiliate of BP Group have signed an agreement under which the Japanese utility will purchase up to 1.20 million tons of LNG per year over 17 years from the British firm. LNG supplies are expected to commence in April 2017 and the gas would be sourced from multiple sources the BP holds, TEPCO said Friday in a statement. The prices will be linked to the US Henry Hub gas index rather than oil prices. This is the first long term contract of its kind for TEPCO.

“TEPCO has reviewed multiple supply sources, including those of US origin, in its strategy towards the annual purchase of approximately 10 million tons of lean LNG (half the amount of LNG purchasing). With this agreement concluded with BPS, a total of approximately 2 million tons of lean LNG per year will be secured,” the Japnese utility said.

via naturalgasasia.com / Septmeber 12, 2014 /

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Tepco gets away with all the lies, deceit and withholding information because they are above the law as are all other energy mega corporations and politicians. Is deeply 'sickening' how psychopathic they are all.

My son and wife still won't give up the radioactive fish. I live in Hong Kong where we share the same waters as Japan. The good thing is I won't need to switch on the lights to see my wife at night.