Prophecy proves God

Originally posted by Lone12

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

Originally posted by Lone12
honey..... - please lighten up, okay

- you wont draw any soul by being a Smartass

..or trying to lure them into some logical OneWay road

so
instead you try to 'prove' your ówn belief,
please try to show some context about current things.

- dont tell me, you are a Shill...?

regards,

Isaiah 17 Ezekiel 38-39 two prophecies unfolding before your eyes right now...I haven't been a shill nor have I been trying to prove my belief. God did it for me by predicting the future..the majority of these people have made their mind up on the Bible and want to do nothing but get on here and bash it when I already asked not to. I found this information myself they are perfectly capable if they want to discuss to get educated and then present facts. If they are just gonna give speculation I am just going to make to look ignorant as they are

*sigh*

yes...exactly

- i m willing to bet my Mother that youre Wrong in those 'isaiah 17 and ez 38 ' prophecies.

know why ?

- cause you are Hard as Stone
Unyielding
and Unwilling


so tell me - as test- whát is your ' explanation of isaiah 17 and ez 38 '.......?????

As for Isaiah 17 and Ezekiel 38 are you serious? The destruction of Damascus is coming in the near future I say within the next year and Ezekiel 38-39 will start in response to Isaiah 17. If you are updated on the Syria conflict at all this should not be hard to see.

The U.S. is threatening to attack Damascus and Obama is currently thinking over the best options. Russia and Iran the countries mentioned in Ezekiel 38-39 said if we attack Syria,which we have to because Obama has already threatened them, and he cannot make an empty threat when it comes to chemical weapons or it makes the U.S. look weak., they(Russia and Iran) will attack Israel.

I don't really know what your purpose on this discussion. You obviously do not want to discuss biblical prophecy but just get on here and complain about how I am not a proper Christian. I suppose its a good thing we are saved by grace not works huh?

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

Well lets use a bit of logic first. If Jesus wasn't real Jews wouldn't have had to argue against his teachings it would have been much easier for them to just say he never existed.

If the you want to be a critic of the Bible dismiss the New Testament as reliable information, then they must also dismiss the reliability of the writings of Plato, Aristotle, Caesar, Homer, and the other authors. On the other hand, if the critics acknowledge the historicity and writings of those other individuals, then they must also retain the historicity and writings of the New Testament authors; after all, the evidence for the New Testament's reliability is far greater than the others. The Christian has substantially superior criteria for affirming the New Testament documents than he does for any other ancient writing. It is good evidence on which to base the trust in the reliability of the New Testament.
Here is a chart of the number of manuscripts for platos and others as compared to the books of the Bible

carm.org...

You seem to be under the misconception the Bible was written to be the Bible by it authors....it is a collection of books and letters that were written by people who were alive in that day, some of which are eye witness testimonies, and involve seeing Jesus so....you in a huge losing battle here

Nonsense. I doubt if the Jews really care that much. One of the things I admire about them (even if not the belief itself). Interesting they never wrote one word about him at the time (nor did anyone else). The Toldot Yeshu from the middle ages probably gives some idea as to what they thought of the nonsense Christians spout.

Dismiss people for who we have various contemporaneous first hand sources, including some for whom we even have large amounts of their own works, or were even feted in plays in there own lifitime? In some ways I could understand regarding Socrates, if only you would turn even a small part of this skepticism to your mythical hero. Comparable to Caesar ? In which context and which one ? Where on earth are you getting this drivel?

Doesn't strike you as odd that of all the Christs and upstarts that we do know of and writers who were around the time.....the person who walked on water, fed multitudes, changed the molecular structure of water, healed/preached to great crowds, the unusual events regarding the Sanhedrin, the ridiculous assertions regarding the trial and the Roman Procurator, who rose from the dead, along with earthquakes, eclipses, saints resurrecting from their tombs etc etc and caused an otherwise huge kerfuffle.................for him we get not one single solitary word.....from anyone? Sounds legit so far .

The long list of interpolations and forgeries where Christains have tried to fabricate him into history, this doesn't sound strange for someone who really lived? The likeness to so much of the supposed (yet obviously mythical) events, to mythical heroes/gods who preceded him.

His first mention, decades after supposed events, not from someone who ever met him, but instead had revelation type experiences (visions/ hallucinations). Then decades later again, anonymous stories (gospels) that while copied from each other still contradict each other (and history) massively, attributed to people who might not have been alive at the time, nor any other time. What codswallop.

You seem to be under some misapprehension regarding the so called "books" of the bible, regarding their veracity, origin and importance historically.

If you accept these, then you also have to accept the anonymous stories of people like Robin Hood, King Arthur and no end of other mythical heroes that are claimed to have lived in a historical setting. Unlike jesus, there are documented outlaws of the time period who could have been Robin Hood. We also don't have the claims of magic to overlook. We have the same genuine reasons to think maid Marion and the merry men lived, as Mary and the apostles (none).

As to not "winning", who cares? Christianity already lost when they stopped burning people at the stake and allowed them to think for themselves without fear of turture. It's destiny is the scrapheap of mythical religions, like so may before it that also had their day. The greatest good christianity seems to do, is create ex christians, who I notice are often intelligent and can have some interesting ideas regarding spirituality, once they let the fairy tale go. In most of the secular western world it is now observed as tradition only, like Christmas (and Santa). There is one fundamentalist nation (that rivals the middle east re religious fundamentalism) that is dragging the chain, but it'll get there.

reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum


My friend if you have made up your mind then that is good i hope you are content, and live a few more years. The Lord will come back for the Church soon; I have no doubt it will be in our lifetime. I might not be able to reach you before this occurs like I hope, but when it does occur and millions have gone and the world is in chaos, you will be at peace, because as soon as it happens you will know exactly what you missed.

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum

 

My friend if you have made up your mind then that is good i hope you are content, and live a few more years. The Lord will come back for the Church soon; I have no doubt it will be in our lifetime. I might not be able to reach you before this occurs like I hope, but when it does occur and millions have gone and the world is in chaos, you will be at peace, because as soon as it happens you will know exactly what you missed.

Thank you, I appreciate the friend remark (genuinely) and do hope to live at least a few more years .

It does call top mind a remark made to a John Frum devotee, when a christian asked if it was not a little silly to think he might be coming back, to which the reply went something like................................"no, he is our savior, you christians have been waiting for two thousand years and you still haven't given up hope".............................

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
The destruction of Damascus is coming in the near future I say within the next year and Ezekiel 38-39 will start in response to Isaiah 17. If you are updated on the Syria conflict at all this should not be hard to see.

Until Damascus is nothing but a heap of ruins you have nothing.

And, Revelation 20 puts the Gog and Magog war after the 1000 year reign which comes after the seals, horsemen, the beast and his mark.

It would seem that your bible disagrees with you.

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
The destruction of Damascus is coming in the near future I say within the next year and Ezekiel 38-39 will start in response to Isaiah 17. If you are updated on the Syria conflict at all this should not be hard to see.

Until Damascus is nothing but a heap of ruins you have nothing.

And, Revelation 20 puts the Gog and Magog war after the 1000 year reign which comes after the seals, horsemen, the beast and his mark.

It would seem that your bible disagrees with you.

Even though the names appear in both Ezekiel and Revelation the two outcomes show that its two separate events. Ezekiel's prophecies are chronological meaning 38-39 occur before the 1000 years in chapter 40.

More in depth answer
gracethrufaith.com...

The Bible is all interrelated you must put it all together to understand it.

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb

As someone already said, 70 years becomes 700.

Not doing much for credibility and it doesn't change the fact that until Damascus is totally destroyed none of it has been come about.

reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum


Here is the best Biblical defense for the the start of the end-times clock at 1948.
gracethrufaith.com...

Here is a quick commentary on the blood moons that will show you one theory that we have only two years left.
gracethrufaith.com...
I've learned a bit more that make this date(only referring to the year 2015) more likely if you read this and find it interesting ask, and I'll gladly share. However, lets remember they are just theories they are not necessarily Biblical just have a good chance of being true.

Let me tell you this man, I myself never really studied Scripture. I haven't gone to a church in years. I definitely wasn't one to just come out and talk to people about God. Now I cannot contain myself. I have to tell everyone. 10 months ago God put this feeling on me that I needed to study. I have complete faith that he is the one that leads my research. He has recently started to make me feel like I am constantly running out of time to tell people so I am sorry to sound like a crazy religious zealot, because when it happens now atleast you'll know, and you will also know that you have a second chance.

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum

 

Here is the best Biblical defense for the the start of the end-times clock at 1948.
gracethrufaith.com...

Here is a quick commentary on the blood moons that will show you one theory that we have only two years left.
gracethrufaith.com...
I've learned a bit more that make this date(only referring to the year 2015) more likely if you read this and find it interesting ask, and I'll gladly share. However, lets remember they are just theories they are not necessarily Biblical just have a good chance of being true.

Let me tell you this man, I myself never really studied Scripture. I haven't gone to a church in years. I definitely wasn't one to just come out and talk to people about God. Now I cannot contain myself. I have to tell everyone. 10 months ago God put this feeling on me that I needed to study. I have complete faith that he is the one that leads my research. He has recently started to make me feel like I am constantly running out of time to tell people so I am sorry to sound like a crazy religious zealot, because when it happens now atleast you'll know, and you will also know that you have a second chance.

As strange as this might sound, no problem at all with that. In fact in some ways I appreciate it and will have a read of it (whether I'm prepared to believe it or not). At least the way you now put it across as being based on personal faith underneath it all (truths surrounding the bible can only be based on personal belief/ faith anyway IMO), it sounds very honest.

Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum

 

Here is the best Biblical defense for the the start of the end-times clock at 1948.
gracethrufaith.com...

Here is a quick commentary on the blood moons that will show you one theory that we have only two years left.
gracethrufaith.com...
I've learned a bit more that make this date(only referring to the year 2015) more likely if you read this and find it interesting ask, and I'll gladly share. However, lets remember they are just theories they are not necessarily Biblical just have a good chance of being true.

Let me tell you this man, I myself never really studied Scripture. I haven't gone to a church in years. I definitely wasn't one to just come out and talk to people about God. Now I cannot contain myself. I have to tell everyone. 10 months ago God put this feeling on me that I needed to study. I have complete faith that he is the one that leads my research. He has recently started to make me feel like I am constantly running out of time to tell people so I am sorry to sound like a crazy religious zealot, because when it happens now atleast you'll know, and you will also know that you have a second chance.

As strange as this might sound, no problem at all with that. In fact in some ways I appreciate it and will have a read of it (whether I'm prepared to believe it or not). At least the way you now put it across as being based on personal faith underneath it all (truths surrounding the bible can only be based on personal belief/ faith anyway IMO), it sounds very honest.

Well if you decide to read it, please respond with your honest opinion I would love to know what you thought

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb


I am a prophet myself.

I come bearing news of the great Jellyfish of the highest Mountain.

Hallowed is He and all those who believe.

The truth of Him is revealed in a prophecy that the future will yield true:

The prophet Mushcha (myself) will defocate seven yellow kernels into a pot of water and be whisked into the placid reefs beneath the earth.

Now if you'll excuse me I have 7 pieces of corn and a box of Superlax to down.

You best repent in the meantime! Ubermountain Jellyfish will show you no mercy and I hope you inspect my poop and heed my warning lest you be too late! It is written!

(This post is meant to be taken as satire, please refrain from searching for me and inspecting my feces; I know how excited you get about fabricated prophecy fulfillments)

reply to post by LightOrange


Why don't you disprove one of the prophecies with your own intellect, and documented proof? Should be pretty easy since I am just making stuff up.

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb

Or we could just wait until it happens or the experation date goes by without anything happening.

Like Dec.21 or the global financial mealtdown that is always "just months away".

reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum


"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand."

Do u mean that chain???

when u said,,
quote
"There is one fundamentalist nation (that rivals the middle east re religious fundamentalism) that is dragging the chain, but
it'll get there."

dragging the chain,,,?

just curious,

reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum


"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand."

Do u mean that chain???

when u said,,
quote
"There is one fundamentalist nation (that rivals the middle east re religious fundamentalism) that is dragging the chain, but
it'll get there."

dragging the chain,,,?

just curious,


Cause if u did,,
then if i may continue,,,

"And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,"

which i like too think, is the above quote,,being celebrated with this recent,star studed cast of charactuers,,

picture,,

Still Curious,,

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
reply to post by LightOrange

 

Why don't you disprove one of the prophecies with your own intellect, and documented proof? Should be pretty easy since I am just making stuff up.

LMFAO

Look at the title of your thread.

You're the one saying you have proof.

Show me how the prophecies "Prove God" already.

Geeze.

The funny part is, any of the "prophecies" which haven't been fulfilled, but which are in a string of text that you claim have been fulfilled... they just haven't happened yet. How convenient! We get 5000 years for these prophecies to play out over, I wonder how many variables we get to excercise them on over that span of time. I wonder how many metaphors we get to turn the texts into to make them come true!

It's almost as if you can just take stuff that happens and say it's part of a prophecy by some loose definition of a single term in the text

OMG!!!

Check it out!!!

Buddhism is true too!

He informed Ananda that in another three months He would pass away. Ananda, suppressing his tears, said to the Blessed One:
'Who shall teach us when Thou art gone?'
And the Blessed One replied:

...'I am not the first Buddha Who came upon this earth, nor shall I be the last. In due time another Buddha will arise in the world, a Holy One, a supremely enlightened One, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious knowing the universe, an incomparable leader of men, a Master of angels and mortals. He will reveal to you the same eternal truths which I have taught you. He will preach to you His religion, glorious in its origin, glorious at the climax and glorious at the goal, in spirit and in the letter. He will proclaim a religious life, wholly perfect and pure, such as I now proclaim.' His disciples will number many thousands, while Mine number many hundreds.'
Ananda said,

'How shall we know Him?'
The Blessed One replied:
'He will be known as Maitreya, which means He Whose name is "kindness.'"

Note: As you may already know, Baha'u'llah's given name, Husayn, is Arabic for "kindness."

Buddhist Prophecies Come True! Buddhism is Totally Real Too, Guys!

Wow!

Totally mindblown!

Islam totally true too!

"Their skins will bear witness against them as to what they have been doing" (41:21)

The finger prints system at borders, criminal investigation cells and immigration centres prove the fulfillment of this Quranic prophecy.



"Corruption has spread on land and sea because of what men’s hands have wrought" (30:42)

One of the interpretations of the above verse of the Holy Quran is the environmental pollution, caused by human being. And that is spread both in land and sea due to our own inventions, i.e., fumes from chimneys of factories, chemical and nuclear waste, huge traffic in the cities, noise and creation of ozone hole are manifest testimonies of the fulfillment of this prophecy.




And after him We said to the Children of Israel, 'Dwell Ye in the promised land; and when the time of the promise of the Latter Days come, We shall bring you together out of various people." (17:105)

Creation of Israel and gathering of Sephardic, Ashkenazi and the Jews of many other different races in Israel proves the authenticity of this prophecy and hence Quran.




"They will alter Allah's creation." (4:120)
The holy Quran has prophesied the plastic surgery, genetic engineering and cloning in this short and concise sentence.

"And when the mountains are made to move." (81:4)
Centuries before the invention of dynamite, the holy Quran prophesied the blowing up and moving of the mountains.

ISLAM SO TRUE YO. PROPHECIES = PROOF MENG

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
reply to post by LightOrange

 

Why don't you disprove one of the prophecies with your own intellect, and documented proof? Should be pretty easy since I am just making stuff up.

You posted this on the first page

If you would like proven prophecies I would love to tell you some of them.

Proof your making stuff up.

Or am just blind and missed you telling us readers about them

Originally posted by LightOrange

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
reply to post by LightOrange

 

Why don't you disprove one of the prophecies with your own intellect, and documented proof? Should be pretty easy since I am just making stuff up.

LMFAO

Look at the title of your thread.

You're the one saying you have proof.

Show me how the prophecies "Prove God" already.

Geeze.

The funny part is, any of the "prophecies" which haven't been fulfilled, but which are in a string of text that you claim have been fulfilled... they just haven't happened yet. How convenient! We get 5000 years for these prophecies to play out over, I wonder how many variables we get to excercise them on over that span of time. I wonder how many metaphors we get to turn the texts into to make them come true!

It's almost as if you can just take stuff that happens and say it's part of a prophecy by some loose definition of a single term in the text

"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand." this was a prophecy given unto men from God,,,
would u agree?
as u say "Show me how the prophecies "Prove God" "