Prophecy proves God

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
Why don't we just wait and see?

That is what I said here.

Until then you don't have proof of anything.

There are other prophecies that have been fulfilled


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edit on 4-9-2013 by ServantOfTheLamb because: (no reason given)

You are going to bring up the prophecy of Tyre????? Now I know you haven't actually read any scriptures, they said Tyre would be destroyed and NEVER be rebuilt.... Take a look at google maps, Tyre is doing just fine and dandy! DEBUNKED....

reply to post by jheated5


Tyre also wasn't destroyed by Nebucadnezzar like the scriptures say it would be. It was dented by him and he withdrew after 13 years. Alexander the Great comes along 240 years later and takes it over -- notably NOT turning it into a "uninhabitable, flat rock" as the scriptures says -- yet this guy claims the prophecy is fulfilled.

At this point of the thread, I hope for this guy's mental state that he is just trying to be facetious.

Unfortunately I know he actually believes it despite him bringing Tyre up in several different threads now and being absolutely lambasted by history time and time again. It's pathetic. Oh well, better start a new thread to post the Tyre prophecy fallacy and be whipped relentlessly by fact another time.

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb


You have a more in depth study on this but unfortunately you cannot post this?

Well, unfortunately, God has a special circle of Hell for those who hide the truth. You couldve at least revealed the pertinent information if you were unable to copy paste or whatever for copywriting or TnC reasons. Now thanks to you, how many lost sheep are out there who couldve been saved by this almighty Truth you've kept for yourself? Tsk tsk Tsk.... Shame on youuu...

What's really "unfortunate" is that its too late... I mean, you can change your mind and reveal the gist of your fabulous study, and maybe you already have, but how many people were turned away from the gates of truth already? You can't expect them to come crawling back to your thread day after day, hoping that you've decided to be merciful enough to allow the commoners to have a taste of your beloved study. Nope, a point in time has passed, and you may never again go across this threshold upon which you made your decision to keep secrets from your fellow man. You made that decision. Sure, you can change your mind now and still receive proper merit for the souls you've enlightened, but by the same token, you shall be punished for each soul you kept shrouded in darkness, surrounded by wolves...

I'm aware that you may have changed your mind, but am too lazy to go searching through this thread to find out, so you will still be punished for my soul, but I will also be punished for laziness, so, on that note...

See you in Hell, buck-o

Gazrok
you can't use one highly contested concept to PROVE another highly contested concept

The truth has ALWAYS been highly contested.

That doesn't make it any less the truth.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer

The prophecies in the bible have been 100% accurate.

The Bible is proven as the word of God by the fulfillment of Bible prophesies.

This is the obvious reason WHY they have been so highly contested.

It is mathematically impossible for all of these prophesies to have just happened by chance.

...there has never been a book that has been as viciously attacked as the Bible. The Bible has been banned, burned, mocked, ridiculed and defamed. Many have been put to death for simply possessing a Bible. But still the idea that the Bible is a fairy tale persists.

Another attestation to the Bible’s divine authorship is the vast number of detailed biblical prophecies that have come true exactly as foretold. We see the psalmist, for example, telling of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ nearly a thousand years before it occurred (Psalm 22), and hundreds of years before crucifixion was even invented! Simply put, it would be impossible for human beings to have seen so far into the future with such precision and accuracy hundreds of times. Indeed, it would be completely illogical to believe these proven prophecies are anything other than the work of God. Incidentally, and amazingly, probability experts tell us the mathematical odds of just forty-eight prophecies regarding one person (i.e. Christ) coming true as foretold are one in ten to the 157th power!

Is the Bible a fairy tale?

I'll just leave this here...

Failed Biblical Prophecies

reply to post by klassified


Cited source is a propaganda mill with absolute zero credibility...

RationalWiki has shown beyond any reasonable doubt that it is virulently ideological and that the only safe position to take is to treat any information it contains as suspect and that it cannot be taken at face value without verification from more credible external sources.

RationalWiki Showing It’s Anything But

This is disheartening. It appears that RationalWiki has been overrun by baboons. In real terms, this means that RationalWiki can no longer be trusted or relied on, and that the assumption must be made that any information in it beyond the explanation of basic terminology is tainted. Do the folks that run RW.org care? Or are they really in cahoots with the baboons and sucking BLEEP for acceptance?

At this point I’m feeling kinda foolish about ever saying RW.org was a “reliable site”. And I am also wondering about the site’s mission statement that, amongst other things, claims to have the the lofty goal of “providing [articles that] are factually accurate and of interest to the community at large”.

RationalWiki is no longer its own entity and is really little more than an extension of the freefromthoughtblogs propaganda mill. Source

reply to post by Murgatroid


But if you follow up on your own then you will find how true their claims are.

A quick look will show that Tyre and Egypt are still standing and that the Nile has not dried up.

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by Murgatroid

 

But if you follow up on your own then you will find how true their claims are.

A quick look will show that Tyre and Egypt are still standing and that the Nile has not dried up.

It's typical. If you can't discredit the information. Then discredit the source.

reply to post by Murgatroid


Will you just stop right now.

The past 5 pages of this thread alone have a multitude of examples of prophecies that were NOT fulfilled. Now you chime in and just simply state that they have?



I suppose the Nile is just a lie? Someone on RationalWiki made it up? There's a dried up trench in Egypt and it's a big hoax that there's water running through it? All because some guy at a podium told you that all of the prophecies in the Bible came true?

And Tyre? Not even a place? Just a rock? Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the whole thing and didn't pull out after 13 years of battle? All history is wrong and you and your pastor are correct? RationalWiki just fabricated that as well?

Egypt? There was a period of forty years where nothing living passed through it?

Israel? They get along with all of their neighbours ?

Now, this is all history. What about the prophecies that the Bible plainly admits didn't come true?

Judah not being harmed by his enemies? Wrong.

Israelites never being defeated? Wrong.

Joshua taking the land stretching from the Mediterranean to the Red Sea and from the Euphrates River to "the desert"? Wrong.

Guess what? Many of the prophecies in the Bible haven't come true. Fact.

You shall not pass.

reply to post by Klassified

It's typical. If you can't discredit the information. Then discredit the source.

Your "source" has just about as much credibility as the National Enquirer does...

I mentioned absolutely nothing about the information.

I will not even bother to waste time on known propaganda websites such as "RationalWiki".

If you want believe the propaganda knock yourself out.

I simply choose not to....

"We all know that RationalWiki is a liberal propaganda site..." Link

"a horrible piece of establishment propaganda... littered with false statements and ad hominem. I imagine that the whole of the wiki is a collection of gatekeepers for consensus science and PTB doctrine...." www.fmotl.com...

"...anyone can anonymously write whatever they want (but correction of the tripe written will be considered “vandalism”!) RationalWiki is one of those sites. RationalWiki is a project of Trent Toulouse, who has the stated objective of “exposing conspiracy theories”. He once implied that he considers a conspiracy theory everything that disagrees with mainstream dogma, making RationalWiki a platform for anyone with an agenda to attack researchers struggling to bring important facts to public attention." owndoc.com...

"RationalWiki is now just another outlet for #FTBullies ideology... they are totally baboon property. Monkeys dancing for the organ grinder... the "talk" pages for their hatchet job/character assassination wiki entries show how utterly corrupt it is..." twitter.com...

"Their alternative weapon is called "rational wiki" (an oxymoron) and it is allegedly ran by a student named Toulouse, from Hamilton, Canada. He is as real as that shady guy who runs wikipedia.org, with an added character feature of inferiority complex. Of course, it is possible that he too does not exist (a made-up character), or that he has been co-opted by intelligence services, as they do draft students.

RationalWiki is a genetic-egalitarian race-denialist propaganda website that is run by Ontario resident Trent Toulouse. RationalWiki is a wiki founded by secular humanists in response to Conservapedia. They regard Richard Dawkins as their messiah. It is based on MediaWiki, like Metapedia. The wiki has around 4200 English pages middle of May 2010. The information is inaccurate and sparse. The wiki begs for donations. The site is extremely anti-Christian and anti-Conservative and promotes sodomy and gun restriction.

The website fraudulently portrays itself as being “rational”, and opposed to “pseudoscience”, yet promotes exactly the thing that they claim to oppose: the irrational spiritual pseudosciences of genetic egalitarianism and race denialism. On top of such deceptiveness, Trent Toulouse solicits donations (on the website’s main page) under these false pretenses. That fits within the definition of criminal fraud." A note on "Rational Wiki"

"Some of the most untrue bunch of lies that could ever be written in the entire world were written by RationalWiki. They claim that they are the truth and the holy appointed protectors of science and their subjects. They do not tell the truth. RationalWiki is the biggest con job on the internet. It is the National Enquirer of skeptical thought.

They are like Stormfront for intellectual people that pimp a platform of hate and scorn for those that they hate, no matter how wrong and biased that they are and kudos for those that they DO like. RationalWiki is the most biased thing out there on the internet today. They are NOT rational or intelligent. RationalWiki is a fraud factory. It is a quack’s encyclopedia. They are pseudo-intellectual quackery at its finest. RationalWiki is a joke!" Source

Take, for example, the RationalWiki article on pseudoscience. One merely has to lightly read through it to see some of the most arrogant statements that can be made. ...there is no excuse for passing this kind of blithely arrogant and shallow material off as anything other than trash, and that’s not even dealing with the factual inaccuracies.

The entire site is plagued by trash (the only suitable term) of this nature. I have no doubts that RationalWiki is just a front for Left-Wing Progressivism (a type of Socialism, basically), based on the style of the writing and the methods of argumentation used.

RationalWiki is a Front for Socialist Indoctrination

reply to post by Murgatroid


All I see are opinions in your quotes, no facts. What makes you think the sites you linked are any more credible than RationalWiki?

Tyre, Egypt, and the Nile are still here today, something the bible doesn't agree with. Will you take a books failed prophecy over what we know and see as fact?

reply to post by Murgatroid

Top 10 failed prophecies...

Christians love to boast that every prophecy the Bible ever made has come to pass, with the exception of a few that we’re still waiting for. But Biblical prophecy is one of those areas the faithful would prefer to make sweeping generalizations about, rather than examine closely on a case-by-case basis, because the evidence doesn’t bare out the claims. Skeptics of Biblical prophecy fulfillment usually point out that most of the prophecies can be dismissed for one of the following reasons:

Prophecies: Imaginary and unfulfilled

If bibliolaters would just once in their lives put aside all of their pet theories and take an objective look at the Bible, they would begin to see that the men who wrote the Old Testament were just ordinary religious zealots who thought that they and their people had been specifically chosen of God. The fanaticism with which they believed this led them to proclaim absurdly ethnocentric prophecies that history has proven wrong, much to the embarrassment of Bible fundamentalists who desperately want to believe that the Bible is the verbally inspired, inerrant word of God. They have no substantive proof on their side. All the proof declares very definitively to anyone who really wants to know the truth that the Bible is a veritable maze of nonsense and contradictions.

Failed biblical prophecies

There are several mundane ways in which a prediction of the future can be fulfilled:
Retrodiction. The “prophecy” can be written or modified after the events fulfilling it have already occurred. Vagueness. The prophecy can be worded in such a way that people can interpret any outcome as a fulfillment. Nostradomus’s prophecies are all of this type. Vagueness works particularly well when people are religiously motivated to believe the prophecies.
Inevitability. The prophecy can predict something that is almost sure to happen, such as the collapse of a city. Since nothing lasts forever, the city is sure to fall someday. If it has not, it can be said that according to prophecy, it will.
Denial. One can claim that the fulfilling events occurred even if they have not. Or, more commonly, one can forget that the prophecy was ever made.
Self-fulfillment. A person can act deliberately to satisfy a known prophecy.

reply to post by Murgatroid

Can you list ONE just ONE prophesy that has been fulfilled. This should be obvious to all that what was prophesied is EXACTLY what occurred.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Try opening your eyes...

It's amazing what you just might see.

“It's okay to disagree with the thoughts or opinions expressed by other people. That doesn't give you the right to deny any sense they might make. Nor does it give you a right to accuse someone of poorly expressing their beliefs just because you don't like what they are saying. Learn to recognize good writing when you read it, even if it means overcoming your pride and opening your mind beyond what is comfortable.” ― Ashly Lorenzana

reply to post by toktaylor

Absolutely...

But WHAT exactly would be the point since you have already made up your mind?

All the proof in the world will not do you one BIT of good as long as you continue to believe lies.

We have been "programmed" to believe LIES our entire lives...

Everything we have been fed by religion, education, science, and media, etc. is centered around DENYING reality.

Their lies have effectively BLINDED the vast majority of people in the world.

The majority of what most of us believe is a LIE.

reply to post by Murgatroid


Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary proof...Truth cannot be denied because it is obvious to all and sundry.
If I say tomorrow in the day "the sun will burn bright purple and the rays will feel as cold as snow" then that is exactly what you expect to happen to quantify that my prediction is TRUE.

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
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If you are going to comment I suggest you watch the whole video. I have a more in depth study on this, however, I unfortunately cannot post this.

Sound is a little off

edit on 30-8-2013 by ServantOfTheLamb because: (no reason given)

I created this thread for believers to generally discuss any prophecies that have been fulfilled and maybe fulfilled in the near future, not just this particular one.

edit on 30-8-2013 by ServantOfTheLamb because: (no reason given)

Prophecies I believe are coming in the very near future are Isaiah 17 and Ezekiel 38-39 if you can't see how these could easily play out from the Syria conflict, well then you are just blind cause Scripture hits you in the face.

edit on 30-8-2013 by ServantOfTheLamb because: (no reason given)

I too thought there was supposed to be a paraphrase for videos, some of us like to be a part but can't watch video

The Bot

reply to post by Murgatroid


Some things you say do make sense, such as history being falsified and religions killing spirituality, but those ideas clash with some of your others, such as biblical history being 100% true or Christianity spreading the truth. You have bipolar views when it comes to Jesus and the bible, that much is clear.

Maybe if you opened your eyes, you'd see that the bible is not 100% accurate when it comes to prophecies. Tyre being rebuilt is the most obvious one, yet you choose to close your eyes to it.

ServantOfTheLamb
Prophecies I believe are coming in the very near future are Isaiah 17 and Ezekiel 38-39 if you can't see how these could easily play out from the Syria conflict, well then you are just blind cause Scripture hits you in the face.

6 months later. It didnt' happen. Wanna' apologize for calling people 'blind' ??

before cyrus the great was born God spoke through a prophet and said it would be he; by name, who freed the Jews and restored them to Jeruslem and allowed them to rebuild the temple. this was nearly 100 years before the jews were conquered and the temple destroyed. it was 150 years before Cyrus fulfilled the prophesy and about a century before he was born.

in fact God says the reason for this prophesy is to stamp his signature writ large for the world to know he is God.

"For Jacob my servant's sake, and for Israel my elect, I have called you by your name. I named you but you do not know me. I am God, and there is no other, there is no God except me, I will clothe you, even though you do not know me, that they may know from sunrise to sunset that there is none except me; I am God and there is no other who creates light and forms darkness; makes peace and creates evil. I God do all these things"

That is God signing his signature for all to see.

Elsewhere in the OT are other messages about and to Cyrus telling cyrus he had batter respect God's will and even listing the gifts that God will/has given him.

And the captives of babylon made Cyrus aware that he was in their scriptures and he was read the applicable verses.

in fact the whole story is so awesome it is beyond comprehension and it is backed up by sources external to the bible. the cuniform cylinder of Cyrus, and a couple of historians like Herodotus from the time period or nearly so.

God did name names when he authors a prophesy unlike false prophets.

www.bible-prophecy.net...

(though of course you could find nearly endless expositions on the importance of Cyrus and the Prophesy.)