Illuminati....blamed for everything

reply to post by Crakeur


In the "mere" 45 years I've been studying the globalist cabal . . . they've made huge progress . . . right on cue. They are a bit behind their earlier schedule for total overt domination and clear public active control and consolidation into one government and one world religion.

But they are only 10 or so years behind, IIRC.

And, all the earlier decades in the last century, actually 2 centuries can be seen to merely be laying the foundation rather meticulously, methodically, doggedly--very successfully.

They took control of the media via buying 25 or so newspaper empires around 1915, 1917.

Are you really insisting that their !CONTROL! of the media is NOT REAL?

Are you really insisting that ATS's existence as a counter to such control is a waste?

Are you really insisting that the looming threats of !CONTROL! by the cabal of even the net is a fantasy and that the 3 amigo's lobbying against such in DC is a waste of time and resources?

And that's merely in ONE slice of our era's reality.

Their !CONTROL! of

--energy resources and distributions has been increasingly complete, manipulative and tyrannical from way back at the beginning of the oil age and Rockefeller's Standard Oil.

Which reminds me . . . do you accuse Rockefeller of merely farting out of both ends with this arrogant assertion?

from:

thecounterpunch.hubpages.com...

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.

bold emphasis added

12. "We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.


29."The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self createdscreen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties." New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

11. "The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets.

138."The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, the Bilderberger Group, and the Trilateral Commission - founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens." Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, PhD, former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary-General Manfred Werner, November 6, 2001

Four years later, the foundation gave a grant to Princeton University to study the influence of radio on different groups, and Rockefeller's General Education Board funded a study of CBS's 1938 broadcast of War of the Worlds, which was written up later as a 'study in the psychology of panic.'"[36]

from:


twoday.net...


twga...

= = = =

I confess that I'm shocked that you fail to see their vast progress on a list of fronts . . . in addition to energy . . .

--entertainment media as well as news media !CONTROL! and heavily effective mass brainwashing, programming.

--food production and distribution as well as insuring hazardous components therein.

UN AGENDA 21 is real and is progressing increasingly rapidly. Lack of awareness of that can be . . . deadly.

--travel. They determined to begin to limit travel . . . by initially 'merely' hampering it a lot. Travel was a LOT more free when I went to China in 1987.

--economics . . . I can't believe you are unaware of the banksters' massive manipulations and setting up the current system to utterly crash--thoroughly crash in order to make bringing in the true world currency and increased economic !CONTROL! all the easier . . . in addition to getting rid of some more "useless eaters" in the process.

--sciences . . . !CONTROL! over all scientific publications and developments--particularly those which would further their globalist schemes and population controls as well as preventing publishing about scientific facts which could be a hindrance to their schemes.

AS my boss at the university library pointed out around 1966 . . . the Board of Directors of the National Geographic Society read like a who's who of the globalist cabal in charge of all the major corporations, major governmental institutions and major NGO's . . . all of which have been active toward the same globalist goals.

Wishful thinking is not a good foundation habit for survival, imho.

Awareness will be increasingly crucial to longer survival as well as exercise of the dwindling freedoms for individuals.

Crakeur
reply to post by Oceanborn

 

So, yeah, human nature is such that, if the plan wasn't going to come to fruition in the near future, nobody would sign up.

Did some group set out for this back in the late 1700's? Probably. Did they map out a 500 year plan? No. they thought they could do it in their life times. They failed.


Did George Washington mention them? Possibly since their timelines are in the same era.

Is it possible that there's some 4th generation Dr. Evil still plotting a New World Order? Sure. Is he following a plan mapped out in the 1700's? If he his, he's an idiot.

I think your understanding of human motivation is not as robust as it might be.

I think your understanding of the spiritual forces interacting with the cabal is evidently nonexistent.

1. At every era . . . every decade, year, week, day . . . the members of such a group would get a LOT of inherent reward in participating.

A) They'd be IN ON the SECRET, ELITE plotting to change the whole world.

B) The pride intensifications alone would be worth all the effort, resources and risks involved.

C) The comforting aggrandizement of looking around a room and knowing that THEY uniquely knew what was afoot compared to all the 'ignorant' "little people," the serfs and slaves would be very rewarding to many.

D) The addictive obsession with POWER as well as the sexual practices of the cabal would also feed their dopamine reward centers as little else in their lives did.

reply to post by Crakeur


Actually, they did not expect it to come to fruition in their lifetimes.

They knew it would take centuries.

Their writings make that clear.

And, in my PhD program, one of my professors was a change agent in Carter's Whitehouse . . . I talked about such things with her. She wouldn't go into a lot but noted that the kind of change I was talking about took a very long time to be achieved successfully.

The cabal has been masterful in the gradual frog-in-the-bucket strategy. I don't know many psychologists who've perfected it as well as the globalist oligarchy has.

My opinion is that the idea that the "Illuminati" are behind the world's problems is a result of the "Victim Mentality" of many people -- people who want to feel that they can't get everything they want in life simply because someone else is holding them down.

It makes some people feel better if they believe that their problems are not their own, but instead are caused by some force that is not in their control. It makes them feel better if they are part of a bigger "us against them" movement, because it shows that there are many others who share the same problem of an outside force holding them back from achieving success -- i.e., it isn't just them with the problem.

That could also be why some conspiracy theorists think that celebrities such as Nicki Minaj or Jay-Z must be part of the Illuminati, or else how were they allowed to become so successful?

So the Illuminati are blamed for all of the world's woes, and if it wasn't for the Illuminati, the world would be a peaceful utopia where everyone gets everything they need in life.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


agreed.

There's no way the illuminati would have accepted nicki minaj into their little band of evil.

reply to post by CIAGypsy

Well, first of all, if you assume the stereotypical conspiracy that the alleged Illuminati are the 13 families or even the international bankers (who is that anyway?

), then they supposedly control puppets in the US (and all? ) government. It is one thing to debate a conspiracy about an alleged group of people who get assigned all kinds of global control at their feet and the impossibility of that kind of power structure.

What about the CIA itself they are the biggest conspirators of the lot most likely or atleast big tools for elites. Need i mention JFK assassination, General Pinochets CIA backed coup against Allende democratically elected leader of chile in 1973 or how about the CIA creations of pol pots khmer rouge, al Qaeda or Mkultra or cointelpro or Monarch Project. When you can answer these questions i will believe there is no conspiracy.
Also how about CFR Council of Foreign Relations the real reason for US hegemony, the reason the US see it self as world policeman keep pushing for Ultra capitalist pro israel wars.
As for the thread title Americans truthers blaming the Illuminati for everything as a non american i can tell you i think it should be more like Americans of all kinds blaming everything on Socialism and Socialists especially foreign ones.
In a sense the cold war has never ended nor macarthyism. Your presumptions are an insult to my intelligence.

reply to post by CIAGypsy


I love you Bride of Lucifer...If me and you were married our relationship would last forever because we would never stop arguing...

BO XIAN
You seemingly do not admit or realize that there is a dark spiritual lord...

And who might that be?

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


Wellllllllll

I certainly was NOT

talking about

--the compulsive pathological liar narcissist the O
--Soros
--Hillary
--the Bush family
--the Rockefellers

et al

They are merely Jr Assistants to the Dark Lord.

Illuminati is almost certainly used as a blanket term for any hidden group pulling strings. I'd argue that over 50% of the people that use the term "illuminati" have no idea that it refers to the actual Bavarian Illuminati. To most, it's just the group of people that put Jay-Z into power.

Theprimordialocker
reply to post by CIAGypsy

What about the CIA itself they are the biggest conspirators of the lot most likely or atleast big tools for elites. Need i mention JFK assassination, General Pinochets CIA backed coup against Allende democratically elected leader of chile in 1973 or how about the CIA creations of pol pots khmer rouge, al Qaeda or Mkultra or cointelpro or Monarch Project. When you can answer these questions i will believe there is no conspiracy.

The CIA has been used to push political agendas...no doubt and no argument here. Same could be said about the US military too.... However, do not confuse a political agenda with some shadowy, non-exist "elite."

Theprimordialocker
reply to post by CIAGypsy
Also how about CFR Council of Foreign Relations the real reason for US hegemony, the reason the US see it self as world policeman keep pushing for Ultra capitalist pro israel wars.

Not sure what you think the purpose of the CFR is...but you have clearly misunderstood it. Have you ever met anyone who served (yes...SERVED) on the CFR? People seem to erroneously think that it is the responsibility of governments to handle all international policy and conflicts. Well guess what? Those conflicts and policies tend to affect a whole lot of people all over the world. The purpose of the CFR is as an organization INDEPENDENT OF GOVERNMENT who discuss issues facing the international community. Last I looked...there were well over 4000 members. I encourage you to take a look at their board members and staff. I'd be willing to wager that you may only recognize a name or two. Most will be people you have NEVER heard of..... Yet, CT'ers still want to point to the CFR as some sort of "club of elites." Reality doesn't quite measure up...

Theprimordialocker
reply to post by CIAGypsy
As for the thread title Americans truthers blaming the Illuminati for everything as a non american i can tell you i think it should be more like Americans of all kinds blaming everything on Socialism and Socialists especially foreign ones.
In a sense the cold war has never ended nor macarthyism. Your presumptions are an insult to my intelligence.

Not sure what you are getting at here... The point of my thread was to humorously....and seriously....point out all the different topics that people want to blame on the alleged Illuminati. Others have succinctly pointed out that, more often than not, the real problem is the lack of personal responsibility that people have in regards to their own failures or shortcomings. Instead of "owning it," the blame it on the alleged "elite keeping them down."

That's not to say that there truly *Is* real conspiracy that can and does happen. I just happen to feel these occurrences are specific and (usually) tied a political agenda.

BO XIAN
They are merely Jr Assistants to the Dark Lord.

The 'Dark Lord'? Who is that? Sauron? Voldemort? Or something equally as fictitious?

CIAGypsy

. . . I just happen to feel these occurrences are specific and (usually) tied a political agenda.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh . . .

NOPE.

I disagree.

The evidence indicates to me and many others that

the centuries long agenda . . . even millennia long . . .

has always been first

spiritual

and

2nd, political.

. 18. "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation." David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

twoday.net...


twga...

Lucifer has long yearned to be worshiped as God. He'll only have 3.5-7 years or so of such but he's fiercely clamoring for it.

And he has throughout history in various personages, manifestations . . . always with GREAT BLOOD LUST and human sacrifice involved.

. . . akin to the satanic, demonic moon god tribal religion that was morphed, for conquest reasons, into a major middle Eastern centered power now being shoved down the throat of the planet with great blood lust and fierceness.

The root, as always has been satan's pride, arrogance, power-mongering--DEMANDING to be worshiped as God.

He knows his days of running around loose are numbered. And he intends to make the most of it visiting upon the planet the worst of his hatred, violence, genocidal murderousness etc. Jealousy tends to be a very ugly thing.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


Evidently you are disinclined to believe the honest evidence in their [the satanic globalist NWO oligarchy] own words declaring the obvious truth:

. 18. "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation." David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

twoday.net...


twga...

As to the reality of satan's existence . . . C.S. Lewis was right . . . folks err on taking him, thinking of him too little and too much.

He's a defeated foe at The Cross and the empty tomb.

However, he IS scheduled for a grand finale of blood letting and genocidal murderousness on an unprecedented scale.

Evidently you have also thought too little of Dr Phil Zimbardo's prison experiment.

. . . of which he once remarked . . .

my paraphrase that's pretty close to verbatim . . .

'It's no big thing if the monsters are OUT THERE. We can gang up on them. It's a much bigger problem if the monster is within each one of us.'

Which is a pretty good summary of the Biblical construct of 'original sin.'

But 'sin' is not a popular word nowadays . . . except to exalt in it all across the political and Hollyweed media.

Nevertheless, there IS a universal law still in effect.

We reap what we sow.

It simply does NOT work to plant cacti and plan to harvest mangoes--regardless of how often and how loudly with how many colors Madison Avenue trumpets otherwise.

Certainly folks can continue to pretend that the devil does not exist . . . that he's the figment of some Halloween costume designer . . .

Folks can pretend lots of things.

Doesn't make them true by any stretch of the imagination.

The person who denies the existence of a literal Lucifer . . . rebel against God . . .

has evidently yet to be brought face to face sufficiently forcefully with the evil lurking in his own mirror.

BO XIAN
Lucifer has long yearned to be worshiped as God.

I find it astounding (and a somewhat disturbing) that people can be so superstitious that they would believe in a made up being called 'Lucifer'.

Who does he spend time with? The Tooth Fairy? Lepruchans? Unicorns?

BO XIAN
The person who denies the existence of a literal Lucifer . . . rebel against God . . .

Right. More narrow-minded Christian fundementalist mumbo-jumbo.

I deny your bogeyman devil.



People need to take some responsibility for their actions and stop blaming the world's ills on fairytake monsters and beings that have no basis in reality.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


Where did I suggest people deny personal responsibility for their evil deeds?

Show me the quote.

I find it exceedingly disturbing that given all the evidence in our era alone . . .

some folks still seem to believe that there is no literal satan, Lucifer, devil.

The evidence is abundant to the contrary. . . all around . . . everywhere . . . for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Ah well, the bloke you deny the existence of will be on the world stage overtly in prime time on CNN and all the other Marxist Stream Media first pretending to be the great benevolent bringer of peace, stability and utopia . . . that will change startlingly soon enough to utter tyranny worse than any tyranny the world has ever known.

I don't know if you'll be able to or interested in waking up THEN . . . or not . . . I would hope so.

Denial of reality is not a good survival habit.
.

BO XIAN
Where did I suggest people deny personal responsibility for their evil deeds?

When you suggested there is a 'plan' fabricated by some 'Dark Lord'.

I find it exceedingly disturbing that given all the evidence in our era alone . . .

some folks still seem to believe that there is no literal satan, Lucifer, devil.

Evidence? Of Satan? Seriously?

Where is the 'evidence'?

Ah well, the bloke you deny the existence of will be on the world stage overtly in prime time on CNN and all the other Marxist Stream Media first pretending to be the great benevolent bringer of peace, stability and utopia . . . that will change startlingly soon enough to utter tyranny worse than any tyranny the world has ever known.

Sure he will. Do you have an air date for your profound prediction?

I don't know if you'll be able to or interested in waking up THEN . . . or not . . . I would hope so.

The irony of you Lucifer-believers saying people need to 'wake up' when you are living in a deluded, superstitious reality where fantasy beings like Satan have some sort of tangible influence is supremely comical.

Denial of reality is not a good survival habit.
.

But the avoidance of superstitious dogma and nonsense most certainly is.

AugustusMasonicus

When you suggested there is a 'plan' fabricated by some 'Dark Lord'.

What a brazen huge leap of wholesale biased extrapolation. Sheesh.

If I'd made such a leap of extrapolation I can imagine that the whine would have been heard around the world.

Evidence? Of Satan? Seriously?

Where is the 'evidence'?

The brightest, most educated, well traveled, well experienced people I know were convinced long ago. LOL.

I don't think there's any evidence that will convince you short of your own conscious visit to hell or being raped by one of satan's fallen angel/ET agents . . . and even then I suspect you'd rationalize it away.

However, In due course, the evidence will be brazenly on CNN etc. and the whole world will be groaning under the horrific weight of the facts related to his existence and ruling the world more overtly for the 3.5-7 years.

When? Hard to say . . . but the NWO globalists are diligently doing all they can to make it happen ASAP. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention.

I see you evidently dismissed the UN spokesperson's quote about all members of the NWO having to take a Luciferian initiation.

. . . e. g. to buy or sell . . . or exist in the NEW WORLD ORDER.

It would be interesting to see the look on your face, then.

Sadly.

BO XIAN
If I'd made such a leap of extrapolation I can imagine that the whine would have been heard around the world.

Oh, my apologies then. Talk of a 'Dark Lords' plan would enver suggest supernatural involvement in the day to day affairs of the world of men.

The brightest, most educated, well traveled, well experienced people I know were convinced long ago.

Such as? Why are you reluctant to cite anyone or their evidence?

However, In due course, the evidence will be brazenly on CNN etc.

I know, you said that already. When is the projected air date for Satan's visit to the cable news networks?

I see you evidently dismissed the UN spokesperson's quote about all members of the NWO having to take a Luciferian initiation.

I say he is just a deluded as you are if he believes in a made up being called Lucifer. Who, if you actually knew what it was you were talking about, would be seen for what it is, a minstranslation of the Bible and not even a real thing.

It would be interesting to see the look on your face, then.

The one on my face now is of amusement at how bizarre you Lucifer-believers act when someone questions your adherence to that fictitious being's existance.