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originally posted by: Sahabi
a reply to: the2ofusr1
Have you seen the collaboration research thread presented by AshleyD and Bigwhammy?
Correlations Between the Antichrist and the Islamic Mahdi
I do not believe in the eschatology of Christianity or Islam, but I must say, the two end times traditions are perfectly mirrored and inverted.
Jesus = Dajjal
False Prophet = Isa
Antichrist = Mahdi
originally posted by: Sahabi
reply to post by definity
Waraka ibn Nawfal was the parental custodian of Muhammad's first wife Khadija. He was a scholar of Biblical manuscripts. Some sources note him as a Catholic, a non-denominational Christian, or even an Ebionite Jew. Either way, he believed in Jesus and the patriarchal prophets of the Old Testament.
It is noteworthy that when Muhammad received his first revelation, his wife immediately arranged for a meeting with Waraka ibn Nawfal. Waraka was the first Monotheistic scholar to affirm Muhammad's prophethood.
Many historians throughout the centuries have drawn attention to Waraka's potential influence upon the very foundations of Islam. Islamic followers call it a miracle that Muhammad was able to recant poetic verses detailing the old prophets and Jesus. Muslims call this a miracle because Muhammad was illiterate, but they fail to acknowledge Waraka's influence. It is ludicrous to assume that Waraka did not talk to Muhammad about religion. Being Muhammad's "father-in-law," Waraka must have had many opportunities to discuss Judaism and Christianity with Muhammad. After all, Waraka was a scholar of the Hebrew texts, and the first religious person that Muhammad visited after his first revelation. This indicates that Waraka must have been deeply trusted by Muhammad and Khadija in religious matters.
Sahih al-Bukhari
Narrated 'Aisha:
The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright day light, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey food for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read.
The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, 'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous." (96.1, 96.2, 96.3) Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your Kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests generously and assist the deserving calamity-afflicted ones."
Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Nawfal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Apostle described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while.
I think the reason is because of numerous ideology's / schisms developing .Although not recognized as formal at the time ,Zionism could have been playing some kind of a roll . Judaism ( I dislike that term ) only became codified after 100 AD .The true history or what is considered main stream seems quite ambiguous . The wiki entry
It's difficult to say, for certain, where the true origins of Islam stem
When we throw a bit more ambiguity in the mix we find this wiki entry
The Masoretic[1] Text (MT, đ¸, or [displaystyle [mathfrak [M]]] mathfrak[M]) is the authoritative Hebrew and Aramaic text of the Tanakh for Rabbinic Judaism. However, contemporary scholars seeking to understand the history of the Hebrew Bibleâs text use a range of other sources
The Tanakh (/tÉËËnÉËx/;[1] Hebrew: ×ŞÖˇÖź× Öˇ"×Ö°â, pronounced [taËnaĎ] or [tÉËnax]; also Tenakh, Tenak, Tanach) or Mikra or Hebrew Bible is the canonical collection of Jewish texts, which is also a textual source for the Christian Old Testament. These texts are composed mainly in Biblical Hebrew, with some passages in Biblical Aramaic (in the books of Daniel, Ezra and a few others). The traditional Hebrew text is known as the Masoretic Text. The Tanakh consists of twenty-four books
"Judaism ( I dislike that term ) only became codified after 100 AD ."
"Its a interesting subject and one that takes speculation to find the dots that connect"
"Consider for a moment that the Babel incident does not mention all of the languages (nations) of the world but focuses on a area containing approximately 70 .
If God did put a god over them then He probably did the same to all other Nations (languages) in the rest of the world ."
originally posted by: Sahabi
There is a conspiracy in Islam that has so far managed to stay off of the mainstream radar. This conspiracy has been perpetuated to keep its followers obedient, to attract new converts, and to incite fragmentation and separation amongst our human family. The conspiracy is regarding the belief that todayâs Qurâan is incorruptible and as pure and perfect as when Muhammad recited it.
The content of this thread was originally meant to be published; however, I have condensed and modified it to upload as an ATS exclusive.
It may take a while to get through this thread, so bookmark, grab a drink, and relax.
⢠Part 1: My Personal Islamic Background
⢠Part 2: The History of al-Qurâan
- Muhammad ibn Abdullah
- Ali ibn Abi Talib
- Abu Bakr as-Saddiq
- Umar ibn al-Khattab
- Uthman ibn Affan
- Abdullah ibn Masâud
- Ubay ibn Kaâb
⢠Part 3: Physical Qurâans
- Great Mosque, Sanaâa, Yemen
- British Library, London, England
- National Library, Paris, France
- Telyashayakh Mosque, Tashkent, Uzbekistan
- Topkapi Palace Museum, Istanbul, Turkey
- False Uthmani Qurâans
⢠Part 4: Potentially Lost Verses and Abrogation
⢠Part 5: Hijazi Defective Script; Not Classical Arabic Script or Kufic
⢠Part 6: Different Recitations: Ahruf and Qiraâat
⢠Part 1: My Personal Islamic Background
I renounced Islam several years ago.
I am a former Sunni Muslim who followed the As-Salaf As-Saalih madhâhab (Salafi School of Thought). The Salafi methodology believes in a strict interpretation of the Qurâan and Islam, based upon the understandings of the first three generations of Islam. First, through Muhammadâs interpretation and example, and then by the interpretations and examples of Muhammadâs direct companions/disciples (Sahaba), and then by the interpretations and examples of the next two proceeding generations who were of direct transmissional chain from the sahaba. Islamic scholarship is built upon understanding the purest interpretation and context of the Qurâan directly from Muhammadâs actions, words, and sayings. Next, in order of decreasing purity are the Sahaba, and then Tabiâun, and then the Tabi al-Tabiâin.
Although I followed the Salafi methodology, I did not isolate myself with Islamic sectarianism. I studied the Arabic language, Qurâan, Tajwid, Tafsir, Hadith, Seerah, Fiqh, and Hikmah under the direct tutelage of a well-known and respected Egyptian sheikh of the Hanafi madhâhab. I learned from muftis of the Majlisul Ulamah of South Africa, I traveled the eastern U.S. visiting various Islamic communities and sleeping in mosques with Muslims of Tablighi Jamaat, and I attended a multitude of lectures and learning workshops hosted by various mosques and sects.
My rapid comprehension of the Arabic language, my ability to memorize Qurâan quickly, my acquirement and comprehension of Islamic knowledge, and my personal character allowed me to move up in the ranks of the Islamic communities that I lived in. In one community I was elected Treasurer and then elected Amir to lead and represent the community. Just prior to my apostasy (abandoning Islam), I was awaiting my conformation to join the âCouncil of Amirsâ in the last community I was involved with. âYoung Sheikhâ was a nick-name of endearment that the elders gave me, for I accomplished all of this in my early 20âs.
Since leaving Islam, I have never once looked back. The religious superiority complex that
once blinded me with notions of âus separate from themâ and âMuslims differentiated from non-Muslimsâ has been lifted, and I now see only fellow humans, and strive towards universal brotherhood based upon love, compassion, and understanding, free from the separations of religion, race, nationality, culture, belief, ideology, wealth, intellect, or class/caste.
"I quit Christianity because I was tired of people lying to themselves that they were following Jesus and not Paul."
"I don't see the point in speaking out against a religion you obviously loved for a long time"
"Because you don't insult Mohammed, even admit he was bright and honest."
"Out of the 3 religions Islam ALONE holds the belief (in the Qur'an) that all people of scripture will be allowed into Heaven."
"I really think you just ran with a bad crowd."
"Just like Har Meggido, a real location, is Armageddon, a fantasy."