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And that's why we'll never have our 2nd revolution.
Originally posted by redoubt
Originally posted by Merinda
Well what can I say, we live in a post 9/11 world.
A post Kennedy Assassination world? We had to recenter and go on... and we did.
edit on 3-8-2013 by redoubt because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by burntheships
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by frazzle
Look at Ron Paul. He hammered on liberty for all and it scared the **** out of half the population.
The hard part is agreeing on a common enemy.
Well, frazzle I respectfully disagree with that, Ron Paul engaged the youth in
learning the political process, and they have had no one else take an interest
in them. I dont think they were scared at all, they were engerized in the cause
of political reform. The scaremongers - Pelosi and Reid - and others were the
ones who framed the independent voters as terrorists.
Originally posted by darkbake
Originally posted by beezzer
The "New Normal".
The new "Normal" is millions on food stamps.
The new "Normal" is millions on government aid.
The new "Normal" is redistributed wealth.
I think that everything you mentioned is a statement that can be backed up by facts. These three statements though, although they are also true, I would like to say:
I promote a system that gives the poor the option to improve themselves while maintaining a safety net instead of being built to keep them stuck, that's the main problem with the current system.
In fact, I have heard that the current system is built in order to ensure Democrat votes and keep Democrats safely in power.
There are people frustrated with not being able to move forward even when they put in the effort.edit on 3-8-2013 by darkbake because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by beezzer
Hi folks. Thanks for the replies and making this a rather well behaved thread.
I'm not talking about any kum-by-yah moment or hand holding or hugs.
We can still have a difference of opinion.
But. . . .
We can still debate the fine points while we're in the foxhole fighting the common enemy.
Originally posted by neo96
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by neo96
The problem is, too many are ALSO proud of it as well.
We shall defend our ATS , whatever the cost may be, we shall fight in the threads, we shall fight them in every post, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
Never give up, Never Surrender ! !
We simply lay down roll over play dead ?
They win.
Originally posted by Kali74
So let me ask you this, if in your home district, after primaries, candidate A is promising to fight for lower taxes, less gun control, and slashing food stamp benefits in half for single people with no children... but supports the NSA and all our spying programs but candidate B is running on a platform of fighting to raise taxes on anyone that makes more than 250K/year, lessening restrictions on who qualifies for food stamps and wants impose more thorough background checks for gun sales... but promises to fight tooth and nail every spy program we have and promises to vote yes on every NSA dismantlement legislation that is put forth... who are you going to vote for?
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by beezzer
Why don't we just try to get a common definition of Liberty instead?
Originally posted by beezzer
Keep your social programs, just make sure I have the freedom to "opt out" and am not stuck or forced to pay for them.