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Originally posted by Tazkven
Originally posted by FlyersFan
You people are acting like these starting positions are a career or something.
With all the jobs lost to "outsourcing" due to "free trade" they actually are for some, wake up!!
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
I have many, many friends that are enlisted. My SO was a civilian contractor on base for several years. I know all about military life.
We don't have a draft, and if they choose to sign up -- good for them. For a lot of these E1's straight out of high school-- this is the most money they've ever had, certainly more than their high school job. Most of those on the lowest end of the ranks live in barracks, so their housing needs are met.
Want to go to the gym? There's a really nice brand new one -- with a pool and water slide! Freshwater lakes on base to fish in, and chalets to rent for your kids parties ! Want to go downhill skiing? Yep, we have a chairlift on base you can use all day for free! Want to rent an RV super cheap? Yep, we got you covered.
After four months in the military, the brand new E-1 will be receiving about $29,959.80 per year in annual salary (Note: This figure includes the value of free housing, free food, and income-tax advantage). On the other hand, the E-6 with four kids, who has 10 years experience in the military will only be making about $54,952,86.
I think 29k a year after 4 months is pretty good for a single 19 year old. I know people working retail that make less than that and somehow get by without food stamps.
These E1's wouldn't even qualify for food stamps if not for all the kids they have.
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
I don't think the other people going on and on about "go out and get a better job" understand that for these people,
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Garkiniss
Working 37 hours per week, because the company has refused to allow a 40hr week, and having to bring in a roommate to help pay for living expenses is not a fair wage,
It's a fair wage for that position. If people want to make more money .. then they need to learn a trade, or go to school, or gain experience on the job and move up from the starting positions.
You people are acting like these starting positions are a career or something.
I'm saying a young guy working in Wal-Mart should earn enough to buy a starter home, a first car, pay his bills, and take a vacation; actually provide for his family.
Originally posted by Metallicus
Here's a fact for all of you that think this is a great idea.
If you force businesses to pay a living wage the prices go up to cover those new increased cost and all of a sudden the new living wage is too little again. You can't legislate a country into prosperity.
Economics 101.
bigstory.ap.org...
Duke, 63, has been Wal-Mart's CEO since February 2009. He received a base salary of $1.3 million, up 4 percent from the year-ago period. His stock awards of $13.6 million rose 4 percent. His performance-based cash bonus soared to $4.4 million from $2.9 million, according to documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Duke's other compensation amounted to $644,450, up from $377,258 in the previous year. The perks included $101,947 for the use of the company aircraft. He also received $644,450 in above market interest credited on deferred compensation.
Originally posted by Tazkven
The job creators have a responsibility to pay people a wage that KEEPS them off of government assistance PERIOD.
When will morals and ethics and doing the right thing ever reach into this conversation?
Why should I be penalized with higher taxes because Wal-Mart or any other company pays poverty wages?
Originally posted by FuZe7
reply to post by Tazkven
Why do you feel that some people owe you a job at all? Maybe you should be grateful these business owners are giving you anything? Maybe they SHOULD take their jobs overseas to people that are glad to have them.
Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by Garkiniss
They can if that community has made a collective decision to not shop there, and to shop at those local business'.
What can even Walmart do about that? Nothing.
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
It's not overpaying for a job.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
.. and that's where your error in thinking is. It's not Wal-Marts fault that people are sucking up tax money. It's the fault of THOSE PEOPLE. You are getting angry at the wrong people.
The job creators have a responsibility to pay people a wage that KEEPS them off of government assistance PERIOD.
www.bls.gov...
In 2012, there were 3.6 million hourly paid workers in the United States with wages at or below the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. These workers made up 4.7 percent of the 75.3 million workers age 16 and over who were paid at hourly rates.