Obey the authorities or you will be punished!

reply to post by DISRAELI


So after 64, the governing authorities WEREN'T servants of god for the people's good. I guess Paul (or whoever) was wrong after all.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


The Romans didn't carry out justice on behalf of, or to pacify, Jewish tribunals. They left that kind of thing for the Jews to sort out. The Roman killed Jesus for the crime of treason against the Roman authority of Caesar, claiming, supposedly, to be "King of the Jews."

Later, the Romans crucified no less than 6000 Jews outside the city walls of Jerusalem, during the Jewish Roman wars for the same crime, treason against Caesar.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

They were the servants of God BECAUSE and WHEN they were punishing wrongdoers, which is what they were for.
When they were attacking God instead, they were not his servants, or at least bad servants.

Originally posted by TheMagus
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

 

You do know that paul didn't write everything allegedly written by him?
en.wikipedia.org...
catholic-resources.org...

the verses cited are just self-serving interpolations made by the same authorities seeking obedience.

it's always the same crapspew in one repackaged form or another

the king is god [or his son] =divine right of kings=the will of the people [vox populi, vox dei]=SUBMIT, OBEY!

EXACTLY!

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Their decisions are for YOUR good after all.

In the United States, we live in a democracy, which means that "we the people" are the government, so we are the ones who need to be doing God's will and we should be making the decisions on what is good for the country.

reply to post by DISRAELI


But they were still the people that god instituted as the authorities.

Round and round and round and round and round and round we go.

Guess what! Nero, the emperor who started persecuting Christians, was emperor at the time of Romans being written. Was Nero a servant of god before he started his persecutions?

reply to post by jmdewey60

In the United States, we live in a democracy, which means that "we the people" are the government, so we are the ones who need to be doing God's will and we should be making the decisions on what is good for the country.

I would be more inclined to suggest that as "we the people", we should be the ones at least getting a say in what "God"s will actually is. I mean, we're the ones who have something to lose. He doesn't risk anything at all. So, shouldn't we be getting a vote because we're the ones who will suffer if something goes wrong? It's the world WE live in, after all. Our world, our bodies, our souls. We should have a voice in this...whatever this is.

Originally posted by tony9802

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

edit on 23-7-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Why did you remove your comment, huh?

Because it was on the religion forum and I thought you said it was on chit-chat. When I checked it was still on religion.
I was confused - still am!

Give the people what is for the people because it was easier to be killed if you disobeyed the people of authority in those days and give God what is Gods while your alive in the realm of humans.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by borntowatch

 

So god has changed since Paul wrote this? Now governing authorities aren't put in place by god? When did this happen? I thought god never changed.

The present and future are Gods history.
God knows the web man has spun and entangled himself in.
God is reminding humanity that He is in control of our destiny, our future in Him.
These things must happen

Mark 13:7... don't panic. Yes, these things must take place, but the end won't follow immediately. ... These things must happen, but they don't mean that the end has come.

You dont understand the concept of the gospel, its basic teaching.
You are turning one verse in to a foundation of all teaching.
Go read the Sermon on the Mount, thats a foundation teaching you ignore.

Akin to me reading one of your posts here on this site and assuming every one on ats is an atheist, just silly

reply to post by borntowatch


Yeah, that is pretty silly because I'm not an atheist.

Funny how just because I don't believe the same thing you do, you automatically assume I'm an atheist.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

The question between us can be summed up like this;
YOU SAY; "If this text of Paul is read in a fanatically literal way, it brings up a problem".
I SAY; "OK, so we just drop the insistence on reading it in a fanatically literal way, and the problem disappears".

So the root of the issue is your demand for a fanatically literal interpretation of the text of the Bible.
I presume this must be because you are a religious fundamentalist.
Or is there any other reason?

reply to post by DISRAELI


Well, the text speaks for itself. If Paul didn't mean it in a literal way, he wouldn't have used the literal verbs "is" and "are". If he didn't want it read in a literal way, he should have said "should be", but he didn't.

Also, I find it highly ironic that your main series of threads is based solely on a literal translation. Pot meet kettle.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Also, I find it highly ironic that your main series of threads is based solely on a literal translation. Pot meet kettle.

If you mean "Song of Songs", the interpretation being used is allegorical.
An allegorical interpretation is almost the exact opposite of a literal interpretation.
Do you not understand the difference?

reply to post by DISRAELI


Of course I know the difference, but you going verse to verse and basically restating what is already written except in a slightly different way does not equal an allegorical interpretation, sorry.

Allow me to play "God's Advocate" Romans 13 - 3

3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.

Sometimes we have to Fight Evil.


Then do what is right and you will be commended.

do what is right

Right

lmgtfy.com...

reply to post by Gestas


"For rulers hold no terror against those who do right"

I guess what Snowden did was wrong then? Because the U.S. government is pretty pissed at him right now.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

The Song of Songs is ostensibly a love-song betwen a man and a woman.
If I interpret the poem as a love-song between a man and a woman, that's a literal interpretation.
If I interpret the poem in terms of the relation between God and his people, that's an allegorical interpretation.
"Woman" read as "woman"- literal.
"Woman" read as "God's people"- allegorical.

See what I mean;

Draw me after you
Tell me where you rest at noon
Feed me with raisins
Arise my love, my fair one
I will seek him
Behold the litter of Solomon
Your hair is like a flock of goats
My sister, my bride

I really don’t understand why you get so worked up over the bible, something that you don’t believe in. reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

But the government doesn't do everything for our good. Paul says they do, which obviously isn't true. Or do you believe they do?

Those who operate as 'top of the pyramid' agents of the Adversaries (Satan/his legions) in deed believe that their influence, harmful or otherwise in institution is for the 'greater good' in testing our souls. The upper echelons of worldly power also believe they have been Divinely Appointed to their positions---and in essence, even with their Divine Allowances, they too are under the confusing cloaks of deception as much as all other souls here being tested against the Workings of Truth within this ying/yang duality experience.

It is about perceiving elements beyond the physical in our spiritual being having a human experience and coming to the Knowledge of what we are here to Accomplish by the Will of our Creator BeComing to the Truth. Out there for all to uncover in a Favour by the Grace that offered us Life from the Inception.