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Originally posted by Jusvistn
reply to post by borntowatch
I think what I mean is that it is more in the way that his messages and teachings are being interpreted. You have to admit that in the grand scheme of the church, Jesus is always front and center and God is always taking the back seat....
Like I said, I'm not trying to start a holy war, I'm trying to get my head wrapped around all of this. I believe in GOD, I DO NOT believe in religion. I have several who tell me I need to go to church and take my kids to church each Sunday, and I find that very difficult, because at church, I do not feel that I am closer to God, but I do feel like I am having Jesus rammed down my throat.
For me, Faith is not something that I should parade around on Sunday's and push onto others, but it is a way of life in everything I do, and see and experience.
I am sorry if I have offended you, it is not my intention to do so. I am interested in what you would like to share.
Originally posted by superluminal11
Jesus never said he was God.
He said it was the father in him that did the works.
Matter fact he would have told you not to worship him.
When he said to see him was to see God...he meant his nature.
Kindness, Forgiveness, Love, Compassion.
Originally posted by Jusvistn
I honestly do not want to start a holy war or all out religious cyber fight, but am looking for real input.
I believe in GOD, I believe that there is an intelligent design to our planet, our environment and our species, but I truly struggle with the concept of Jesus as GOD.
I'm not saying that Jesus never existed, and I'm not saying that Jesus wasn't a great inspiration bringing GODS will and knowledge to us, but I find it difficult to worship a man when GOD says you "will put no other GODS before me." Essentially, is that not what folks are doing when they are praying and worshiping Jesus INSTEAD of God?
And though Jesus teaches these things, and then tells us to worship him..... what if he is the true deception in the grand scheme of things?
To me, Jesus is separate from God, and I have a hard time calling them one in the same, and I have difficulty with the God made flesh aspect that brings us to the whole Son, Spirit, Holy Ghost thing..... For me, to believe in the "one true God" means that Jesus would be no more than a teacher as what you would find preaching from the front of the church today. So I ask again, could Jesus be the Deception, and in his "teachings" be pulling the people away from God and into his own agenda?
I'm just trying to get my head wrapped around this. I appreciate your civil insights.
Originally posted by Lone12
Originally posted by Jusvistn
I honestly do not want to start a holy war or all out religious cyber fight, but am looking for real input.
I believe in GOD, I believe that there is an intelligent design to our planet, our environment and our species, but I truly struggle with the concept of Jesus as GOD.
I'm not saying that Jesus never existed, and I'm not saying that Jesus wasn't a great inspiration bringing GODS will and knowledge to us, but I find it difficult to worship a man when GOD says you "will put no other GODS before me." Essentially, is that not what folks are doing when they are praying and worshiping Jesus INSTEAD of God?
And though Jesus teaches these things, and then tells us to worship him..... what if he is the true deception in the grand scheme of things?
To me, Jesus is separate from God, and I have a hard time calling them one in the same, and I have difficulty with the God made flesh aspect that brings us to the whole Son, Spirit, Holy Ghost thing..... For me, to believe in the "one true God" means that Jesus would be no more than a teacher as what you would find preaching from the front of the church today. So I ask again, could Jesus be the Deception, and in his "teachings" be pulling the people away from God and into his own agenda?
I'm just trying to get my head wrapped around this. I appreciate your civil insights.
..i think you are a serious man Jus
let me ask you please -
it appears, that there are many, many "beings" roaming around us
compare sumerian snakes... dragon types... half-humans...etc
now
Henoch mentions a "very beautiful Son, next to Gods throne "
- which is the Lord
...would not Hé be the type of human being, which we should become ?
[ as opposed to 'snakes'.. 'dragons '... midgets'... 'deformed templates' ...etc ? ]
Originally posted by Badgered1
If Jesus existed (past tense) he would have been Jewish. They called him 'Rabbi.' He would have lived and died a Jew. Jesus could never have been a Christian.
The assertion: "Jesus exists, no question." is simply not true. You cannot prove it. There are no contemporary writings about him.
His birth story is borrowed. His death wasn't spectacularly different from any other death under the rule of Rome.
The resurrection, taken literally, would have been one of the most spectacular, and novel occurrences on the planet at the time, and the only people who felt compelled to tell us about it were monks a hundred or more years later? Nobody at the time felt the urge to write it down?
Originally posted by Jusvistn
I'm not saying that Jesus never existed, and I'm not saying that Jesus wasn't a great inspiration bringing GODS will and knowledge to us, but I find it difficult to worship a man when GOD says you "will put no other GODS before me." Essentially, is that not what folks are doing when they are praying and worshiping Jesus INSTEAD of God?
GOD says you "will put no other GODS before me."
Originally posted by ganjoa
Apologies for not reading the ENTIRE thread, you may consider these remarks to be off topic.
In my view (admittedly not a widely held one) Paul of Tarsus is most aptly described as "Paul the Apostate" not "Paul the Apostle".
Again, in my view, Jesus is NOT a deception - BUT - many of the biblical writings in the New Testament ARE quite deceptive and ultimately dilute the teachings of Jesus as represented in the Holy Bible.
With respect,
ganjoaedit on 10-7-2013 by ganjoa because: spellin'edit on 10-7-2013 by ganjoa because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Jusvistn
I honestly do not want to start a holy war or all out religious cyber fight, but am looking for real input.
I believe in GOD, I believe that there is an intelligent design to our planet, our environment and our species, but I truly struggle with the concept of Jesus as GOD.
I'm not saying that Jesus never existed, and I'm not saying that Jesus wasn't a great inspiration bringing GODS will and knowledge to us, but I find it difficult to worship a man when GOD says you "will put no other GODS before me." Essentially, is that not what folks are doing when they are praying and worshiping Jesus INSTEAD of God?
And though Jesus teaches these things, and then tells us to worship him..... what if he is the true deception in the grand scheme of things?
To me, Jesus is separate from God, and I have a hard time calling them one in the same, and I have difficulty with the God made flesh aspect that brings us to the whole Son, Spirit, Holy Ghost thing..... For me, to believe in the "one true God" means that Jesus would be no more than a teacher as what you would find preaching from the front of the church today. So I ask again, could Jesus be the Deception, and in his "teachings" be pulling the people away from God and into his own agenda?
I'm just trying to get my head wrapped around this. I appreciate your civil insights.
Originally posted by Pinke
Originally posted by Badgered1
If Jesus existed (past tense) he would have been Jewish. They called him 'Rabbi.' He would have lived and died a Jew. Jesus could never have been a Christian.
I think this is semantics somewhat?
Jesus was a critic of the Judaean Temple amongst other things. Christianity is an off-shoot of Jewish religion ergo yes, Jesus' brand of Judaism became Christianity much like followers of John the Baptist became Mandean. These distinctions of followings occur after conflict which is to be expected.
Originally posted by Kody27
Christians like to think that they are monotheistic, when in reality they are very much polytheistic. They're basically doing the same thing that the ancient Greeks did, and assign different gods to different aspects of nature. Satan is the god of the underworld and evil, Jesus is the god of love apparently, and also God in general who made everything, including Satan (?), Gabriel is the god of death, etc...
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by Kody27
Christians like to think that they are monotheistic, when in reality they are very much polytheistic. They're basically doing the same thing that the ancient Greeks did, and assign different gods to different aspects of nature. Satan is the god of the underworld and evil, Jesus is the god of love apparently, and also God in general who made everything, including Satan (?), Gabriel is the god of death, etc...
There is a good deal of dozy headed nonsense that goes on in the church. Just a great deal of poorly explained ideas and concepts.
As far as polytheism there should be no misunderstanding here from anyone that has studied the issues whether they believe it or not. Jesus was given all authority, buy His father, after His resurrection over all things below the earth, on the earth and above the earth. All realms. Even in the unseen realm He demonstrated total authority. That's the proper teaching there whatever one may believe. There should be no misunderstanding.