So you want to practice magic..

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth

 

Ive asked the same thing, coven and area of discipline. No answer; total disregard.

I have not disregarded you

not yet

Your the principal reason things are being done the way they are
so far you have shown yourself to be a harm to yourself... let alone the path others may have been on

I have been kind to you and again you insist on being rude..


You have only demonstrated a cracked mind of someone who dabbles

Your looking for reasons and excuses to destroy someone.. to belittle them
You have contributed only your presence

You have a need to dominate others
the majority of it is passive aggressive behavior

You seem to have a need to be treated with disdain
I am not establishing a codependent relationship with you

You can keep complain but you personally will get no answers from me unless
1)you apologize to those here you have insulted
2)you demonstrate a much wiser level of behavior
3) I will not have your Karma on my hands because of something I gave you are not ready for. (even if I am sharing with others)


As for me
1) My thread
2) I have followed ATS rules
3) My communications methods are my own


I am not asking the universe to punish merely to share


If you feel so sure I am wrong

Just pick up a red feather and type your response detailing how you are innocent 100% and have not been rude..Include how I am wrong.. make sure you hold the feather when you type ... K

Unless of course you are wrong



BTW way feel free to keep venting

Your improving at least
your statements have been much clearer

If this was the grading type of thing I would give your last few responses a C-

Again good work on clearly getting your point across



However my patience does have its limits..

@Universe
By chance I am wrong may it harm him not and pass through him as if he was not there...

reply to post by twohawks


So much to say and I cant



The paradigm has changed


I will address this partially when I finish my response to CDT

Originally posted by twohawks

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth

 

Ive asked the same thing, coven and area of discipline. No answer; total disregard.

In case you haven't caught it yet, Rip tends to answer late at night est.

My question to you is "what diff does it make" too you personally. You qualify yourself as being practiced. If you are , you undoubtedly found your own pitfalls if in fact you practiced. Those pitfalls as it were were necessary to strengthen the mind., the spirit and the body to the path. We all experienced it, at lest some of us did. We are in a new paradigm. One that works faster than twenty or thirty years ago. As are the new practitioners. We are dealing with new laws, not subject to the old ways

It matters if the underlying intention is to harm. Which would be the intention, when instructing 'students' to jump into the frying pan without first learning to adjust the heat.

For some purpose, he's deliberately leading people into ritual w/o the necessary tools needed to do so safely. Why? Is this a 'coup' for a purpose we've no knowledge of? This is why I ask. If he's of certain belief sets - then I can understand why he might be doing this... Leading sacrificial lambs to the slaughter.

Don't worry TwoHawks, I have reasons at this point in time for giving Ripcontrol a hard time, and I promise, he won't take the offense you have - for my giving him contention. It's all part and parcel with the role he is trying to establish for himself. It's also a lesson for those following him - if you can figure it out.

Blessings,
Cirque

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth

Originally posted by twohawks

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth

 

Ive asked the same thing, coven and area of discipline. No answer; total disregard.

In case you haven't caught it yet, Rip tends to answer late at night est.

My question to you is "what diff does it make" too you personally. You qualify yourself as being practiced. If you are , you undoubtedly found your own pitfalls if in fact you practiced. Those pitfalls as it were were necessary to strengthen the mind., the spirit and the body to the path. We all experienced it, at lest some of us did. We are in a new paradigm. One that works faster than twenty or thirty years ago. As are the new practitioners. We are dealing with new laws, not subject to the old ways

It matters if the underlying intention is to harm. Which would be the intention, when instructing 'students' to jump into the frying pan without first learning to adjust the heat.

For some purpose, he's deliberately leading people into ritual w/o the necessary tools needed to do so safely. Why? Is this a 'coup' for a purpose we've no knowledge of? This is why I ask. If he's of certain belief sets - then I can understand why he might be doing this... Leading sacrificial lambs to the slaughter.

Don't worry TwoHawks, I have reasons at this point in time for giving Ripcontrol a hard time, and I promise, he won't take the offense you have - for my giving him contention. It's all part and parcel with the role he is trying to establish for himself. It's also a lesson for those following him - if you can figure it out.

Blessings,
Cirque

Cirque, incase you missed my earlier posts putting rips feet to the fire as it were, and my subsequent apologies for being so forward (including threats) which I'm still ashamed of. I fully understand your concern. However I also believe the flood gates are opening with regard to universal knowledge and why not try to direct, those that connect , to a more fruitful path. We are facing fast paced times dear which in my vow will require fast paced growth. Those that gravitate to this thread will either be able to flow and flourish or crash and burn. Hard lesson, yes but do these times not justify the severity of the lessons.


P.s. I Don't believe his intention is to harm.


By the by cirque, there's nothing stopping you from offering protective measures for those that are reading.

By the way I thought and meant to type view not vow, but looking back I believe it still works.


Just to be clear I did not take offense. I simply have an evolving view of majics in today's society. All be it I do revert to old paradigms from time to time. Old habits and all.

reply to post by ripcontrol




I have not heard back from another U2U person so your answer on definitions is hidden in these post


First I will be honest I have kept my personal journal

ATS journal Entry
#X then I put the date

And that has been it

(note I never made the requirement over length)

I have cheated because I also never specified it had to be the same Journal every day

(note I only stated the discipline of making the entry not in the same journal nor did I consider it. only the making the entry was the purpose to impeccability)


At least until today..
In the one with my other ideas.. my floating journal of ideas.. the one where I was keeping stories, plans, weapons designs, exctra

POOF

My hobby
remember that other thing you have to be doing for the same amount of time you put into studying magic

Well long story short my hobby showed up at the company my gf works for
Different location
I was talking with one of her bosses

My new hobby came up..

Then when I went to pick my girlfriend up

The basic thoughts certain special people have had here
The underlying basic

Just need to visualize
Energy flow


Like the earlier statement

The human body can do so much.. why it can do a spinning jump kick


Is the answer still
Need to visualize
energy flow


In there defense they are partially right
they just left out the elbow grease part of the conversation

It has taken every thing I have had not to respond with this
If it is that easy..

How many languages do YOU speak unnamed person

started think why is it not that easy (but it is)

Raw notes from journal
From various sources in my memory

language
Native tongue

how do you first learn

Immersion theory

Picture the sperm meeting the egg and it grows dvided
rinse repeat

BABY

everyone speaking
gestures and bonding

(birth noises include)

associations form

Stimulus
Brain forms neurons

process of feed back
-words formed
gramatical structures

speaking is a different part
loop 1 stimulus
namer guesser

testing of info

Speech and hearing interact


of note

Deaf kids
Alobar
learn new languages (or dual languages
autistic girls communication


10000 hour rule for mastery

correcting math
24hours x 7days x 52weeks


8736

you sleep
avg 7

so leaves
17*7*52=6188

(for now yes dream learning and other stimulus still occur but going with avg parents sleep)

then it dawn on me

Learning the sounds of the language are different then speaking

uses more of the brain and different sections... work together time

(note with correction my journal entry is changing from original entry please forgive..)

We have the creation of a database that is used continuously

not to mention a compound use advantage
(for some reason I also thought compression of data)

stimulus
1-hearing
2-visual

response
3-speaking

Additional feedbacks form
more loops

Database grows

name guesser has grown as sorting becomes necessary

Reading
writing add more loops

You can walk down the hours and see growth
infants (sounds) 6188 hours (counting prenatal)
year one (words) 6188 hours
year two (which is the point of basic phrases) 6188 hours

then reading
then writing

some time in there art, math, music

Now this database is very important in language usage

We come upon the issues of languages
(Was humanity cursed with not only different languages but the inability to share - tower of babel)

what the training programs do is
add new parts to the data base

world structures sometime add in
They use the other neurons pre-existing

Now back to question

How would the spell go

taking advantage of natures work and operating systems


I will work on it.. very cool idea...
then you run into an idea or two
spell lasting effects

either way what you walk away from with this

The original question

if language is roughly acquired in this way
the more connection the brain forms on the matter the better

In Remote viewing they insist also on the drawing and art parts


I end this addition with but a single thought

A builds on b which c uses to construct d

solid foundation
leads to success


This segways to my response to CDT

reply to post by CirqueDeTruth


reply to post by CirqueDeTruth


Well madam you pose me with an interesting problem

We gave our words we would not discuss Coven teachings

I have never bothered with most things in this area
Out of respect for those who did teach me I can not answer your question fully

with that said

Remember the discussion I had with an individual who claimed to be taught by five different traditions

Well there are only a few priestess who actually go through that process
and are allowed to

(few teachers plus acceptance rules.. and you know that)

So those who would have taught that POSTER would be limited in number

maybe that poster is able to share the time it takes for each step...
from neophyte to High Preistess

three to five is my guess but I can not give a solid answer

On a completely seperate point
COMPLETELY SEPARATE point

You have a good point
I need to include new definitions
after all I do have to give fair warning

Definitions-
Traditions

(forgive spelling)
Alexandrian
Gardenarian
Dianic
Their is a separate egyptian, but again rare (I have heard it some where before)
Hellanic (again distinctively separate)

I have heard rumors of these traditions
Summerian
Kabbalist (actually more coven not related to main church)


_

Others who were guest teacher I cant reveal

However

In DFW you would be surprised at the wide variety taking place

_

As for your other statements
I do apologize for being unable to answer your first statement over the traditions I was trained

Or the guest ones we did get additional training from


Now for the other concern

It is a big issue and I believe I solved several problems
First their are a few people who have bad intent
it comes from their post

Two
I wont be able to be their to hold their hands and walk them through the process

Three all the warnings I could give were their

four
You have a daughter you know how well people in general listen


It left me in a crux point.. What to do what to do
You see our conversations and discussions proceeded very quickly
we covered a lot of ground

So in my own nature
I gave very specific instructions

Impeccability

Now lets walk through this process I gave

POP Quiz

You see if they fail to follow instructions they know quite well it go boom in there face

So what instructions have they been given

Think back to the church example
Proper pre planning to go
what goes into it

So lets look at an average persons time
Sleep -7 hours
Work - 8
travel time- 3
hygene- 3 (from bathing to laundry
equals 21 hours

three free hours (yes the language issue popped about the time apparently you made your post)

7*24 = 168

five days of the week work

so we work the math a little
5 times 21 = 105
63 hours left
weekends
minus 23 hours from the manual chores
(remember they cant skip hygiene it was part of the instructions.. Read cleansing plus that self discipline word)

leaves us with forty hours
minus 14 for eating

26 hours a week left

How are they going to fit this in their schedules -
Those twenty six are spent over seven days

Not to mention stress.. from work - family coworkers

veg times
lose seven

this leaves 19 hours
now family time

other commitments
I would say what ten.. I'll be nice
eight

I am left with eight hours free

every week

Now remember this probably shorter.. (say sleeping in on weekends or days off)

they have to do people watching, journal, essay (which I have not seen any yet :mad, look for lost items,


hey this is not done BRB

I have to take care of something

to be continued

Originally posted by twohawks

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth

 

Ive asked the same thing, coven and area of discipline. No answer; total disregard.

twohawks In case you haven't caught it yet, Rip tends to answer late at night est.

My question to you is "what diff does it make" too you personally. You qualify yourself as being practiced. If you are , you undoubtedly found your own pitfalls if in fact you practiced. Those pitfalls as it were were necessary to strengthen the mind., the spirit and the body to the path. We all experienced it, at least some of us did. We are in a new paradigm. One that works faster than twenty or thirty years ago. As are the new practitioners. We are dealing with new laws, not subject to the old ways.

Information travels faster. Problems can be found at your fingertips. As can answers. This new generation of adepts is not us, we paved the way. Open your mind to new possibilities, and new paradigms as you so eloquently posted you were capable of earlier in the thread.Cirque, you too.

So elevated as you are have some idea that "Rip tends to answer late at night Eastern Standard Time" What does that mean? Hes not working on GMT? Minion Twohawks; magick has no tyranny, destiny or time. I have never doubted my ability; no pitfalls and am a natural at what I do, whether it is fast tract or not, new practitioners can be thwarted as infantile unpracticed neophytes. Faster magick than 20-30 years ago? Really??? Never heard of 'faster' TIME WISE as a condition of a particular method. Same question; what is it? (yours) Information travels faster? You use what form of informational method? The cell phone a keyboard? Have you not heard of mind to mind instantaneous Telepathy?

reply to post by ripcontrol


Hello,

Firstly I'm brand new here and this is my first post other than introduction. You know my mother, CDT.

I wanted to reply to a sentence specifically in you recent post about using me as a reference as how teenagers do what they want to do. I have no interest in taking your advice in magick when I have my own experienced mother to teach me from what's right and wrong. I understand that I may not be the only teenager reading this thread it just poked me in the wrong way to use specifically me as an example to get your point across. Please let me say that I'm not your typical 15 year old and if you read my mother's posts you may know why.

On another note...I try reading through your posts and why do you answer in riddles?

reply to post by CirqueDeTruth


I sent you a U2U message

I will have to finish the response to your post in the morning


As for putting my feet to the fire



I do apologize but an issue came And I can completely respond without a response

It is an additional issue of protection and cleansing I can address but it has to be dealt with a lot more subtly then I have energy for right now

reply to post by vethumanbeing


no one is going to get mad at you dude

You can lose the attitude

AS for your question


I will take sleep time to answer it for you injured mind


Think about the differences between The generations and the technolgy useage

These changes have caused massive processing changes in the human mind

This generation and the two before it stand on the cusp for quite interesting reason.. I will only cover one

It is called game theory
and video games

The last three generations
have changed how there brains work

Continual game theory applications in virtual worlds and role playing
They stand on the shoulders of giants and are as tall

Their brains take all the information in faster and also have access to a wider range.. they are also better versed ingame theory decision making processes

thank to video games

So yeah it has changed because the time spent is different and the practitioners have changed as a mass

have a good night

reply to post by Cosmicspirit


I get a sense that the op may be very young himself. I Have tried to read the thread and it is in riddles, or conduits of expression. To read through 18 pages is mentally quite exhausting. I see it as drawing out serious practitioners and a bit of jest.

Thanks for sharing.

I am replying to flag and come back to this thread.

I am at the level where I can handle this endeavor. If you know what I mean.

Thoughts can take you with them.

AAC