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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by BDBinc
It isn't that gays don't get insurance benefits. It is that straight people do, and the only reason gays don't is because they are not straight.
Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
reply to post by HairlessApe
And another poster stated, as a reply to the one quoted by the OP;
"Just because something occurs in nature does not make it good or desirable."
Not arguing that gays are undesirable or whatever, before you all get teared up and offended.
I tend to agree, though. I believe that homosexuality is some odd combination of genetic defects and mental defects. There's a bit of research on this theory, too... if I can find the site about it (I forgot to bookmark it), I'll post the link if anyone's interested.
Untrue. In most states in the US the requirement of allowing pre-existing conditions, or any and all conditions, during open enrollment at an employer is well established. During open enrollment, you cannot be turned down for health or life insurance. Your level of risk for specialty benefits may fluctuate depending on age, etc. But you are talking about fluctuations in premiums that are in the $20/mo. range. Regardless, all individuals and their families are given the opportunity to enroll in insurance, and this enrollment can only change for "change of life" events (death, marriage, loss of coverage from spouses job, etc). The catch? a gay man cannot enroll his better half on the company insurance. they are not considered family. That is not equality, it is discrimination by any standard.
Originally posted by BDBinc
All hetrosexuals cannot get insurance, insurance is decided by the insurance corporations and it has nothing to do with equality .
No, but they are allowed to be discriminatory to a point that they are the poster face for LGBT rights. That is one of the ways the the discrimination is hurting them the worst, because they cannot be observed as being family.
Health insurance or the insurance industry is not a barometer of equality.
We are talking about the US here. And if poor people pay into their employers program, they do. It sucks that it works that way. the ACA will not change that. But Obamacare is a whole 'nuther debate.
Poor people don't get insurance , in fact most of the worlds hetrosexuals don't .
Insurance can be purchased by homosexual people, people are not denied/banned from health insurance because of homosexuality( a sexual preference)
Equality has nothing to do with insurance. .
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Untrue. In most states in the US the requirement of allowing pre-existing conditions, or any and all conditions, during open enrollment at an employer is well established. During open enrollment, you cannot be turned down for health or life insurance. Your level of risk for specialty benefits may fluctuate depending on age, etc. But you are talking about fluctuations in premiums that are in the $20/mo. range. Regardless, all individuals and their families are given the opportunity to enroll in insurance, and this enrollment can only change for "change of life" events (death, marriage, loss of coverage from spouses job, etc). The catch? a gay man cannot enroll his better half on the company insurance. they are not considered family. That is not equality, it is discrimination by any standard.
Originally posted by BDBinc
All hetrosexuals cannot get insurance, insurance is decided by the insurance corporations and it has nothing to do with equality .
No, but they are allowed to be discriminatory to a point that they are the poster face for LGBT rights. That is one of the ways the the discrimination is hurting them the worst, because they cannot be observed as being family.
Health insurance or the insurance industry is not a barometer of equality.
We are talking about the US here. And if poor people pay into their employers program, they do. It sucks that it works that way. the ACA will not change that. But Obamacare is a whole 'nuther debate.
Poor people don't get insurance , in fact most of the worlds hetrosexuals don't .
Insurance can be purchased by homosexual people, people are not denied/banned from health insurance because of homosexuality( a sexual preference)
Equality has nothing to do with insurance. .
Equality has to do with not being discriminated against. Insurance is just the most obvious issue. There are others, like survivor benefits offered to spouses.
Originally posted by BDBinc
kaylaluv
I wish sexual orientation didn't matter to anyone.
I look forward to the day when it is a total non-issue.
When no one is bullied or harassed ; when no one is denied housing ; when no one is denied employment. When parents don't disown their children .
We can all walk in the park without getting strange looks .
We don't get snarky comments about english being a second language, called a troll etc.
But that day is not here yet...
But it can be if we are all tolerant human beings.
Good day.
Originally posted by Darth_Prime
Originally posted by BDBinc
kaylaluv
I wish sexual orientation didn't matter to anyone.
I look forward to the day when it is a total non-issue.
When no one is bullied or harassed ; when no one is denied housing ; when no one is denied employment. When parents don't disown their children .
We can all walk in the park without getting strange looks .
We don't get snarky comments about english being a second language, called a troll etc.
But that day is not here yet...
But it can be if we are all tolerant human beings.
Good day.
i too wish that tolerance would be the acceptable way, here in Hollywood i can't walk outside without at least one (if not more) derogatory remarks said to me,
so as much as people claim the 'Progressive Gays' are pushing, we still get verbally harassed, and denied services
i will defend anyone's rights and freedoms, i will fight for your freedoms, but why wont some people do the same? regardless of personal opinion, it's about being Human
Originally posted by Darth_Prime
reply to post by BDBinc
i am the utmost tolerant, yes i will defend anyone's rights and freedoms even if it's against me, but i am afforded the same rights and freedoms, i will defend your freedom of speech to call me whatever you want, i will defend your freedom of religion even if i don't believe in it and it doesn't dictate laws over anyone i will defend your freedom of expression
i don't know why you mention wars because that is not cohesive with this conversation, but for the record i don't believe invading countries and forcing what we say is 'Freedom' to them, i am of the 'Make love never war' mindset
i have been denied services because of my sexuality, you don't know my life story, you have not walked in my shoes
and i comprehend that we are not the only ones who get harassed and bullied, i don't condone any bullying or harassment of any kind
You have as much equality as any individual can have
Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
reply to post by HairlessApe
And another poster stated, as a reply to the one quoted by the OP;
"Just because something occurs in nature does not make it good or desirable."
Not arguing that gays are undesirable or whatever, before you all get teared up and offended.
I tend to agree, though. I believe that homosexuality is some odd combination of genetic defects and mental defects. There's a bit of research on this theory, too... if I can find the site about it (I forgot to bookmark it), I'll post the link if anyone's interested.
Originally posted by Darth_Prime
Pedophile = Sex with minors and children
Bestiality = Sex with animals
Homosexuality = Sex with humans of consenting age
Heterosexual = Sex with humans of consenting age
Gay does not = anal sex, straight people engage in anal sex likewise and some gays don't.
where and how does allowing Gay people to marry, or to agree or disagree that they are natural bridge a gap into Pedophiles and Bestiality?
Originally posted by Darth_Prime
reply to post by votan
how is it a sexual disorder?