The Flaw In Your Logic Regarding Homosexuality

I respect the homosexual community, but I do not agree with what they are doing, they are deteriorating traditional beliefs.

how are we deteriorating traditional beliefs when we are just acting how we were born?

and it's what no one can give a straight (no pun intended) answer to, how would you have us act?

That's a perfectly valid stance, but there are people like myself who do not believe a person can be born homosexual. We have adopted different beliefs that we have developed from our subjective experiences.

Everyone's actions have consequences. The LGBT community poses a threat to traditional beliefs through their growing faith and following. Every person that adopts their philosophy is essentially denying ours. In a culture that embraces tolerance and respect for everyone it becomes harder to manage future generations with everything they are being subjected to.

I wouldn't have you act any other way than you would choose, I just believe in maintaining the status quo, knowing where to draw the line, being strong and able to be whoever I want to be.

reply to post by captaintyinknots




There is a play on words going on here ...Everyone is entitled be proud of the 'person' they

are or have become ie their skills, their morals, their philanthropy, their educational

achievements, their business acumen etc.

But no one can take credit (take pride) in their gender, height or (lack of it) their looks, their

colour, etc. these attributes are a given, we had no say in or choice in getting them ...

We all are who we are get used to it and DO something to really be proud of

The Flaw In Your Logic Regarding Homosexuality Anything with the word sex incorporated into it is not usually logical.

This is as bad as the word politics and logic being in the same sentence.

I've just clicked onto a thread titled "A 'virtual' Hetrosexual Pride Parade" the OP has

been banned As I can't link I'm writing out his post from that thread the point of

which I have been trying to get over on this thread



Domo 1 wrote "quote"

What's the point of this? I'm not proud to be straight. I'm glad I am though. Same with being a

white man living in America. I didn't make me white, straight, male or American. I'm very

lucky to be all those things, but I'm not proud, I didn't do it! Should I be proud of my

mysterious blue eyes and blond hair? My gorgeous voice which makes every woman swoon?


What I've been trying to say ~ in a nutshell ~

Originally posted by 0ptw0

I respect the homosexual community, but I do not agree with what they are doing, they are deteriorating traditional beliefs.

how are we deteriorating traditional beliefs when we are just acting how we were born?

and it's what no one can give a straight (no pun intended) answer to, how would you have us act?

That's a perfectly valid stance, but there are people like myself who do not believe a person can be born homosexual. We have adopted different beliefs that we have developed from our subjective experiences.

Everyone's actions have consequences. The LGBT community poses a threat to traditional beliefs through their growing faith and following. Every person that adopts their philosophy is essentially denying ours. In a culture that embraces tolerance and respect for everyone it becomes harder to manage future generations with everything they are being subjected to.

I wouldn't have you act any other way than you would choose, I just believe in maintaining the status quo, knowing where to draw the line, being strong and able to be whoever I want to be.

edit on 4-7-2013 by 0ptw0 because: Forgot to answer the last part

Indeed, but what about allowing others to be what they are?

you don't have to believe i was born gay, i know iw as, but your freedom to believe what you want because you don't have experience is your choice, and your freedom, i would never deny you that

"Every person that adopts their philosophy is essentially denying ours."

but isn't that their right then? and who is ours? yours? but who is to say what is and what isn't?

"In a culture that embraces tolerance and respect for everyone it becomes harder to manage future generations with everything they are being subjected to. "

so you would rather them be subject to intolerance? why do you want to 'manage' future generations, isn't it their right to go along their own path?

i've always stated i will defend anyone's rights, but i get afforded the same rights

reply to post by eletheia


We obviously grew up being taught very different things! I take pride not only in who I am and what I have achieved as a single white gay man! I own my own home, drive my own car, I create things (art) with my hands as my hobby some of which is in homes in the USA, Japan, Australia and the UK. I live in a desert country but have a garden that I created which is like a jungle, strangers from out of town have arrived at my home and asked to see my garden which they had heard about! But I also take pride in my nieces and nephews and what they achieve, according to you that is wrong? I take pride in what the school I attended achieves, according to you that is wrong? I take pride in my countries sporting achievements, according to you at is wrong?
I will continue to take pride in what I take pride in and I will never deny you the right to limit what you take pride in!

reply to post by eletheia

There is a play on words going on here ...Everyone is entitled be proud of the 'person' they are or have become ie their skills, their morals, their philanthropy, their educational achievements, their business acumen etc.

Anyone can be proud of any part of themselves. To say otherwise is asinine. The only play on words that is happening is the one yo are trying to pull.

But no one can take credit (take pride) in their gender, height or (lack of it) their looks, their colour, etc. these attributes are a given, we had no say in or choice in getting them ...

To be proud is not to take credit. Again, I feel sorry for someone that cannot be proud of even their most basic traits.

We all are who we are get used to it and DO something to really be proud of

Thats simply untrue.

Originally posted by eletheia

I've just clicked onto a thread titled

"A 'virtual' Hetrosexual Pride Parade" the OP has

been banned

As I can't link I'm writing out his post from that thread the point of

which I have been trying to get over on this thread

Domo 1 wrote "quote"

What's the point of this? I'm not proud to be straight. I'm glad I am though. Same with being a

white man living in America. I didn't make me white, straight, male or American. I'm very

lucky to be all those things, but I'm not proud, I didn't do it! Should I be proud of my

mysterious blue eyes and blond hair? My gorgeous voice which makes every woman swoon?


What I've been trying to say ~ in a nutshell ~

What Domo says is true (usually).

The thing is, we have to ask ourselves if there is a black and white in this instance. You can feel pride, or you can feel shame....is there a grey area in between?

I would posit that there certainly is. However, I would clarify that by point out that the average person is woefully unprepared to eschew pride as that would mean eschewing ego. And that just won't happen (and if it did this conversation would be pointless).

So, if left between pride and shame, i would certainly prefer people feel pride. Until they are ready to feel neither.

Originally posted by C0bzz

Originally posted by mideast
reply to post by C0bzz

 

A human having sex with an animal isn't the same as two consenting adults of age.

What about the animals who do consent by their actions.

I am having trouble imaging how an animal can consent to sex. It would therefore be extremely difficult to ascertain whether it is animal abuse or not.

I saw on a clip that one man who was going to pee in the Forrest was attacked by some donkey.The donkey was connecting to have sex with that man by attacking him.

Maybe the female donkeys consent to people like these male donkeys.

The point is that I think it is animal whether it consents or not. That was my point.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


This is EXACTLY the point of gay pride parades. After years and years of being made to feel ashamed, the parade is a way of saying "I refuse to be ashamed of who I am". It's a little awkward to call it a "not-ashamed-to-be-gay parade", so you call it a gay pride parade. It's not necessarily to say you are proud of being gay -- it's to say that you are not ashamed of being gay.

reply to post by kaylaluv



The point of homosexual pride parades is an idea that if you are homosexual you should be prideful of your sexual preference and tell everyone. It helps to diversify a group of human beings into a prideful sexual preference community (the LGBT). Has being prideful of a sexual preference helped the world.
It does not address any underlying feelings and thoughts that the person parading may feel so if they feel shame or other conflicting feelings it will not go away with a prideful- of- my -sexual- preference parade.

Originally posted by BDBinc
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

The point of homosexual pride parades is an idea that if you are homosexual you should be prideful of your sexual preference and tell everyone. It helps to diversify a group of human beings into a prideful sexual preference community (the LGBT). Has being prideful of a sexual preference helped the world.
It does not address any underlying feelings and thoughts that the person parading may feel so if they feel shame or other conflicting feelings it will not go away with a prideful- of- my -sexual- preference parade.

edit on 5-7-2013 by BDBinc because: (no reason given)

Nope, sorry - you're wrong. You are obviously not gay, and probably have not been close to anyone who is gay. I am close to someone who is gay, so I have seen what they have had to go through with family and others who don't accept them. I have seen how others can make a gay person feel so bad about themselves. While I'm not crazy about some of the scantily-clad antics of the parades (I'm not fond of Mardi Gras either), I understand the benefit of gathering together to support each other and tell the world that they are not ashamed of who they are. It doesn't matter if it doesn't help the world - it helps those in the gay community. Yes, it does help their self-esteem.

If we ever get to the point where gays are treated with total legal equality and with the same respect as heterosexuals, I think the gay pride parades will slowly fade away.

Originally posted by BDBinc
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

The point of homosexual pride parades is an idea that if you are homosexual you should be prideful of your sexual preference and tell everyone. It helps to diversify a group of human beings into a prideful sexual preference community (the LGBT). Has being prideful of a sexual preference helped the world.
It does not address any underlying feelings and thoughts that the person parading may feel so if they feel shame or other conflicting feelings it will not go away with a prideful- of- my -sexual- preference parade.

edit on 5-7-2013 by BDBinc because: (no reason given)

It can be taken in many ways. I would say that it is wholly experiential and dependant on the participant. Neither you nor I should try to answer for countless unknown individuals in this respect.

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by BDBinc
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

The point of homosexual pride parades is an idea that if you are homosexual you should be prideful of your sexual preference and tell everyone. It helps to diversify a group of human beings into a prideful sexual preference community (the LGBT). Has being prideful of a sexual preference helped the world.
It does not address any underlying feelings and thoughts that the person parading may feel so if they feel shame or other conflicting feelings it will not go away with a prideful- of- my -sexual- preference parade.

edit on 5-7-2013 by BDBinc because: (no reason given)

Nope, sorry - you're wrong. You are obviously not gay, and probably have not been close to anyone who is gay. I am close to someone who is gay, so I have seen what they have had to go through with family and others who don't accept them. I have seen how others can make a gay person feel so bad about themselves. While I'm not crazy about some of the scantily-clad antics of the parades (I'm not fond of Mardi Gras either), I understand the benefit of gathering together to support each other and tell the world that they are not ashamed of who they are. It doesn't matter if it doesn't help the world - it helps those in the gay community. Yes, it does help their self-esteem.

If we ever get to the point where gays are treated with total legal equality and with the same respect as heterosexuals, I think the gay pride parades will slowly fade away.

Assume away.

Instilling pride does not have anything to do with countering thoughts and feeling unequal . You can still be a prideful person with underlying conflicting thoughts and feelings it makes for a psychological mess.
Homosexual pride parades are about pride in a sexual preference.
While happy at the parade people feel good but there has been no reductions in depression or feeling unequal outside the parade. If a sense of self is only a sexual preference can't you see why self esteem suffers.
You sadly missed all my points, the sexual preference pride parades and separate communities based on sexual preference do not stop people from their mistaken identity of being not a human being but thinking they are a sexual preference.
Who are these people who go around giving respect to "hetrosexuals"?!
Do homosexuals in the pride parades respect hetrosexuals and treat them equally in their parades, no they eliminate them.

People respect other people, some don't respect any other people, but people do not respect sexual preferences. Some people talk about tolerance but not for all only for what they tolerate.
I don't see people as a sexual preferences and I do not have respect sexual preferences.
Fighting,( or arguing on behalf of homosexuals) and screaming for what is already had, legal engagement the sexual preference of their choice, but yet homosexuals do not call this equality .

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I disagree with you because helping the world does matters. At this time pushing ideas of one group that already has their right of sexual preference has not got anything to do with equality, tolerance and respect.
It looks to me like the LBGT want more than equality since they have it in the right to practice their sexual preference and yet don't feel like they are equal still.

reply to post by BDBinc


Equality isn't just being able to practice what you want, but to not suffer negative impacts from it. As it pertains to being gay....a gay persons lifelong partner cannot be an insurance beneficiary, nor can they be included with insurance plans.

We are talking about rights under the law, not rights to practice.

reply to post by BDBinc

You think gays are treated as equals?

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits employment discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin. The act is mute on discrimination based on sexual orientation or identity.

It’s clear that such discrimination takes place. According to a 2011 report by the Williams Institute at the University of California at Los Angeles School of Law, “During the past four decades a large body of research using a variety of methodologies has consistently documented high levels of discrimination against lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and transgender people at work.”

www.bloomberg.com...

The Fair Housing Act makes it illegal to discriminate in rental sales and lending on the basis of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, disability and familial status. It does not, however, prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity, as these are not protected classes under the Act.

abcnews.go.com...

Allies of gay youth compiled research showing gay teens are overwhelmingly more likely than heterosexuals to face harassment at school. The most recent figures from GLSEN reported that 84.6 percent of LGBT students are verbally harassed. A third of gay kids had skipped school within the past month because they were afraid of their classmates.

www.laweekly.com...

A gay couple is pursuing a discrimination complaint against a Colorado bakery, saying the business refused them a wedding cake to honor their Massachusetts ceremony, and alleging that the owners have a history of turning away same-sex couples. - See more at: www.northjersey.com...

According to the Family Equality Council, same-sex couples and LGBT individuals face considerable legal barriers in 39 states when attempting to adopt or foster children, and seven states ban a partner in a same-sex relationship from adopting their partner’s children.

“The current patchwork of state laws does a disservice to these children by denying them access to permanent, safe, and loving homes. In 2011, 26,000 youth “aged out” of the foster care system. Research shows that these youth are at a high risk for poverty, homelessness, incarceration, and early parenthood,” the Family Equality Council reports.

www.lgbtqnation.com...



And then there's the fact that gays can't legally marry their partners in most U.S. states. I wish sexual orientation didn't matter to anyone. I look forward to the day when it is a total non-issue. When no one is bullied or harassed for being gay; when no one is denied housing for being gay; when no one is denied employment for being gay; when no two consenting adults are denied a marriage license based on their sexual orientation. When parents don't disown their children for being gay. When gays don't have to hide their sexual orientation to be accepted, and they can openly talk about their partners like everyone else does. When gays can bring their significant others to social events, or just walk with them holding hands in the park without getting strange looks or snarky comments from onlookers. But that day is not here yet. We're getting there, slowly. Too slow for me.

So if a gay pride parade helps some gays feel better for a day, I say let them have it. If it makes them feel like they at least have the support of each other - that they are not alone, what's the problem. If the KKK can have a rally to celebrate their hatred for blacks, gays ought to be able to have a freakin' parade.

Originally posted by kaylaluv
reply to post by BDBinc

 

You think gays are treated as equals?

Equal to what?
Which homosexuals?
Are some homosexuals allowed to practice their sexual preference and others are not?
Homosexuals can engage in their sexual preference without any legal barricades there is not one law stopping homosexuality as a sexual preference in the country.


Which human being is not being treated equally and by whom?
Which human being is being treated equally and by whom?
Do hetrosexuals get this completely imagined fictitious "equality", do some of you have more than me or less than me or more respect or less respect.
You also seem think the law stops a sexual preference of homosexuality and that is your mistake in law.
If nothing stops or prevents a person from engaging in a sexual preference its equality under law.
Not all sexual preferences have this freedom (and legality)to engage in their sexual preference.
I think if homosexuals have the right to engage in their sexual preference then they have achieved sexual preference equality.

reply to post by BDBinc


Obviously English is not your first language, and you don't understand the concept of sexual orientation, so I'll just stop here and wish you a good evening.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by BDBinc

 

Equality isn't just being able to practice what you want, but to not suffer negative impacts from it. As it pertains to being gay....a gay persons lifelong partner cannot be an insurance beneficiary, nor can they be included with insurance plans.

We are talking about rights under the law, not rights to practice.

When you are referring to a sexual preference equality it is the right to engage in that sexual preference.

Insurance are not rights bestowed on all hetrosexuals so the insurance as a guideline/marker for equality does not work.
Many people are refused insurance they are being treated "unequally" by the insurance corporations.

kaylaluv




I wish sexual orientation didn't matter to anyone.
I look forward to the day when it is a total non-issue.
When no one is bullied or harassed ; when no one is denied housing ; when no one is denied employment. When parents don't disown their children .
We can all walk in the park without getting strange looks .
We don't get snarky comments about english being a second language, called a troll etc.
But that day is not here yet...
But it can be if we are all tolerant human beings.
Good day.