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How hard is it to understand that there are still people in this country that have strong moral convictions about right, wrong and what is normal? Doesn't make them bigots, homophobes or anything else, just good people with traditional ideals.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Freth
How hard is it to understand that there are still people in this country that have strong moral convictions about right, wrong and what is normal? Doesn't make them bigots, homophobes or anything else, just good people with traditional ideals.
How hard is it to understand just because someone has strong moral convictions doesn't mean they are necessarily good moral convictions. Just because someone upholds 'traditional ideals' doesn't mean they are ideal 'ideals'.
What you said is pertinent though. Someone with such different morals would not see and acknowledge someone as a bigot and homophobe when people of other morals do.
The ultimate irony is that words like bigot and heterophobe can be applied in turn quite easily, in fact more so.
Originally posted by Freth
The simple truth is that most heterosexuals have an aversion to homosexuality and find it disgusting and unnatural.
Originally posted by Freth
As a heterosexual male, I find anal sex disgusting and repulsive.
Originally posted by Freth
My point: A lot of assumptions are made about heterosexuals
Originally posted by Freth
Funny thing is they never stick, because they're based on wild accusation and emotional over-reaction.
Originally posted by Freth
Society can't exist without boundaries and a good moral compass. Seems like today everything is aimed at tearing down boundaries and letting it be a free-for-all.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Originally posted by Freth
One other thing. I do agree with the fact that a person's sexuality should be private and shouldn't be flaunted.
Originally posted by Freth
If you make it a point to put it in peoples faces all the time
Originally posted by Freth
don't expect to be respected or treated equal, because you're not trying to be equal, you're trying to be an annoyance to get attention. It's not the right way to go about it.
Originally posted by Freth
I think the main problem is that homosexuals want so very badly to not just have equality, but to change people and make them accept homosexuality in the core of their being. That's not going to happen.
If the only bad thing about my moral convictions is that I disagree with homosexuality, then I'm happy with that, completely. The ultimate irony is that words like bigot and heterophobe can be applied in turn quite easily, in fact more so. Funny how that works.
Originally posted by eletheia
So this is my point ... How can anyone be proud of what they personally had nothing to do
with, what is bestowed on them by way of nature
what have you actually DONE to be
proud of??
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by Freth
Originally posted by Freth
The simple truth is that most heterosexuals have an aversion to homosexuality and find it disgusting and unnatural.
So what? It's 'icky' is not an excuse to keep others with less rights than yourself. If people thought like this there would still be slaves.
Originally posted by Freth
As a heterosexual male, I find anal sex disgusting and repulsive.
What does this have to do with a male being attracted to another male or a female being attracted to another female?
Originally posted by Freth
My point: A lot of assumptions are made about heterosexuals
Apparently a lot of assumptions are made about homosexuals, too.
Originally posted by Freth
Funny thing is they never stick, because they're based on wild accusation and emotional over-reaction.
Or it could be, because the majority ARE heterosexual so such stereotypes are not mainstream.
Originally posted by Freth
Society can't exist without boundaries and a good moral compass. Seems like today everything is aimed at tearing down boundaries and letting it be a free-for-all.
Oh, you mean like the way it was intended to be since The Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Originally posted by Freth
One other thing. I do agree with the fact that a person's sexuality should be private and shouldn't be flaunted.
Well, you are have the right to your belief and gay people (AND straight people) have the right to be proud of their sexuality all they want. That is freedom of speech and expression.
Originally posted by Freth
If you make it a point to put it in peoples faces all the time
If you are being harassed, you can take it to court. Otherwise, if you consider a guy wearing a dress who is doing nothing to you but just walking down the street to be "rubbing it in your face" - my suggestion is to just stop looking at him and then it won't be in your face.
Originally posted by Freth
don't expect to be respected or treated equal, because you're not trying to be equal, you're trying to be an annoyance to get attention. It's not the right way to go about it.
You're basically saying that since they use freedom of expression by being proud of who they are, they don't deserve the equality of the three rights (Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness) talked about in the declaration of independence intended for all citizens. I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in The Constitution or The Declaration of Independence that if you use freedom of expression you should be denied your other rights which makes you equal to all other citizens.
Originally posted by Freth
I think the main problem is that homosexuals want so very badly to not just have equality, but to change people and make them accept homosexuality in the core of their being. That's not going to happen.
Assumptions, assumptions, assumption, and you'r also speaking as if homosexuals are one big group with one way of life and one philosophy of life. Gay people come in many different colors. (Pun intended)
You are really misusing that word.
Originally posted by Freth
My logic regarding homosexuality.
Quantify "most". Like, do you have a link or anything other than your own bigoted opinion to back this up?
The simple truth is that most heterosexuals have an aversion to homosexuality and find it disgusting and unnatural.
Normal is not rational. Matter of fact, humans are irrational creatures. If it is normal, it is lkely irrational. I don't think you understand what "irrational" means.
Homophobia is the irrational fear of or aversion to homosexuality. I don't consider my opinion as irrational, in fact I consider it quite normal.
Why does it matter how many people support anything? That is called "mob mentality". Might makes right. That is not liberty.
Now that all of those have failed, I guess I'm just a heterosexual guy with an average and normal opinion on homosexuality, clearly supported by the majority of the human population.
Please provide stats to back this up. Because there is an aweful lot of anal sex porn on the internet. I think that you not only just made that up, but that you are wholly and abjectly wrong.
As a heterosexual male, I find anal sex disgusting and repulsive. I would never even consider it with a woman, much less a man. I'm willing to bet a large number of heterosexuals feel the same way I do. Thus, the anal sex argument is pointless.
Takes one to know one, as your argument is pure over reaction and wholly based on your own personal made up statistics of "most people".
My point: A lot of assumptions are made about heterosexuals, mostly in an attempt to win a point in an argument. Funny thing is they never stick, because they're based on wild accusation and emotional over-reaction.
It isn't often on ATS that a poster achieves the ignorance of using 2 logical fallacies in one thread. Congratulations. You seem prodigious. This is called a "slipper slope" fallacy. Added to your "mob rule fallacy"....i am wondering if you will pull a trifecta?
And so bestiality and pedophilia don't seem that far-fetched, especially considering the way the country is going. Society can't exist without boundaries and a good moral compass. Seems like today everything is aimed at tearing down boundaries and letting it be a free-for-all.
I can honestly say a gay man has never put anything sexual in my face. And I doubt that they have done so to you. "Flamboyant behavior" is not flaunting anything, its behaving.
One other thing. I do agree with the fact that a person's sexuality should be private and shouldn't be flaunted. If you make it a point to put it in peoples faces all the time, don't expect to be respected or treated equal, because you're not trying to be equal, you're trying to be an annoyance to get attention. It's not the right way to go about it.
Yes you do. You called them perverts.
I don't care if you're a homosexual. I don't care what you do in your bedroom.
NO one other than themselves is making them a bigot or homophobe. I don't care what "normal" is. I only care about "right" and "wrong". And they are "wrong".
How hard is it to understand that there are still people in this country that have strong moral convictions about right, wrong and what is normal? Doesn't make them bigots, homophobes or anything else, just good people with traditional ideals.
Unless they are gay. Then they are perverts who will probably eventually be a pedophile or dog humper.
The key is to treat people like fellow human beings,
I think the main problem is that homosexuals want so very badly to not just have equality, but to change people and make them accept homosexuality in the core of their being. That's not going to happen.edit on 3-7-2013 by Freth because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by C0bzz
We DO ban paedophilia because it is child abuse. Not because the majority of the population or myself find it icky.
Now, replace Lutefisk with homosexuality. Get it yet?
And that's why claims of a slippery slope are all nonsense. Homosexuality has nothing to do with paedophilia. Calling it a slippery slope justs arbitrarily links two different things together with the claim that accepting one will lead to the acceptance of the other. Hence using this slippery slope argument is actually a logical fallacy.
.edit on 4/7/13 by C0bzz because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by 0ptw0
There's homosexuality the sexual preference
Preference to me sounds like choice, it's not choice to have the orientation. To express it, it *kinda is a choice. You can abstain from sex but to completely suppress all the aspects of the sexual orientation? You'd have to be quite the monk!
and there's homosexuality the "act." The act of homosexuality is anything sexual
Thanks for answering. That's what I was unsure of. Yes sex is an act of homosexuality. As is kissing and holding hands. I know plenty of heterosexual people that are not bothered by seeing casual displays of affection from homosexual couples.
would say the majority of the population is inherently disturbed by homosexual acts no matter how "gay-friendly" they may be.
I won't speak for things I don't have first-hand experience of in this point. I haven't ever been to these really gay-friendly countries/places.
I respect the homosexual community, but I do not agree with what they are doing, they are deteriorating traditional beliefs.
Being gay is a quality. Being straight is a quality. Being tall is a quality. Having blond hair is a quality. All are things to be proud of, as there is nothing greater than being proud of who you are.
Pride (noun) a feeling of pleasure from ones own achievements, and 'qualities' be especially proud of a particular quality or skill