We Are In The Last Hour-- Heed The Trumpets

reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee

The OP is a critical analysis of a work that has been analyzed repeatedly and offers no new insights, because there aren't any new insights to be found.

Except for everything that's happening in the Middle East and Israel today that was all predicted in the Bible.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee

 

The OP is a critical analysis of a work that has been analyzed repeatedly and offers no new insights, because there aren't any new insights to be found.

Except for everything that's happening in the Middle East and Israel today that was all predicted in the Bible.

That's the great thing about vague prophecy. People have been using the bible to interpret contemporary things since before the 5th century. The end has been nigh for a looooooong time.

Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee

Nothing in the OP is new. None of it is fresh. You can't ave fresh ideas coming out of such a stale document.

We are told that the Bible is the Living Word. It is the same today, as it was yesterday and as it will be tomorrow. However, because It is the transcendent Word inspired by God, we are given deeper and deeper understanding the more we spend time searching It.

For lack of a better analogy, like an onion, It has many layers. These layers thicken as you peel them back to the center, which is directly connected to the root of the vegetable itself.

The outermost layer is thin, easily peeled back and simply reveals the fact that there will be more layers to be encountered before reaching the center.

Truly as King Solomon declared, "There is nothing new under the sun."

Just like the layers of the onion. The layer which has been peeled back does not reveal a "new" layer, it simply reveals a layer that was already there, but imperceptible beneath the one above it. Only when one layer is removed and digested as foundation, can the next layer have something to build upon.

I don't think the Catholic religion is that bad. Sure every religion has it's bad points but I wouldn't classify Catholic as a false profit. Christianity may have come out of Judaism but the religions don't share all the fundimentals. Jesus was not spreading Judaism, Christianity is a whole new religion. Sure the Ten Commandments are the same, but they were good laws that got adopted into the Christianity. Christianity evolved as they gained new members, it had to. The Church didn't take away the good parts of a person's present religion, they tried to incorporate these good parts into Christianity and the religion evolved. The problem is the same as any religion, in order to keep Christianity from being destroyed in an area, the church had to make agreements with the countries leaders. The Catholic church did not kill Indians in this country, they tried to convert them. Renegade people who liked to kill used Christianity as an excuse to kill and made up lies to cover it up.

They should go through all the traditions of the Catholic church and try to fix some of the problems that have accumulated over the years. Jesus wouldn't really like their organization the way it is right now but he would not condemn it either.

Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee

 

The OP is a critical analysis of a work that has been analyzed repeatedly and offers no new insights, because there aren't any new insights to be found.

Except for everything that's happening in the Middle East and Israel today that was all predicted in the Bible.

That's the great thing about vague prophecy. People have been using the bible to interpret contemporary things since before the 5th century. The end has been nigh for a looooooong time.

Yes, this is true. The end has been nigh since our fall in the Garden.

The Apostles whom saw and touched Jesus Christ Himself, stated that the last hour was upon us, and that was 2000 years ago.

We serve an eternal God. The whole of time itself is but a blink of an eye, not even a blip on the radar of infinity.

However, one of the many reasons we were warned that the end would come upon us like a thief in the night, is because most people simply would not be prepared for it. Although God desires for His children to live out their lives in peace and abundant joy despite the trials and tribulations that necessarily come with this existence, His Believers are told to live in anticipation of His return, searching the scriptures in Spirit and Truth for the wisdom and understanding to perceive the season of His return, should it be their generation in which it befalls. Because we are flawed, men convince themselves of understandings that are not inspired by God's Spirit. Their zeal for God being tainted with pride, rendering any understanding incomplete, and any self-perceived service for God being only to lead His people astray.

However, we are not doomed to confusion. We are not to suffer not knowing who to trust or what to believe. We are told that God gives wisdom freely, and in abundance, to those who seek it with humility and genuine faith.

And Biblical prophecy is frustratingly vague by intent. It seems so utterly convoluted to those who stop at the outermost layer, too lazy or too disinterested to make any additional effort to seek understanding. We are not saved by works, we are saved by grace alone. But to seek understanding and dig for a deeper relationship with God, you will have to get your hands dirty. Salvation is free, but maintaining it, and most especially, working it out while we're still here, takes effort.

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This thread is as long as a book!
Please shorten it cause it will take too long to read!

Originally posted by olaru12

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by chr0naut

 

Nowhere does the Bible refer to an individual entitled the antichrist. It refers to a kingdom or a mindset that has the spirit of antichrist.

Just who exactly do you think the Beast, the Dragon and the False Prophet are?

Well, the false prophet isn't the beast aka man of sin, that's just his retard sidekick. Sorta like a satanic Robin.

Mock the Holy Word at your own peril!!

He is not mocking God's Word. He is allowing his flesh mind to articulate the angst of his spirit. Sometimes we feel so overwhelmingly disgusted with corruption, that our human nature to express ourselves rises up before we can submit it to Christ. It takes but a fraction of a moment to speak; James, the blessed brother of Jesus, warns us of the power of our tongue.

This Brother is a devoted Believer and Kingdom servant. None of us are above reproach, although that is to be our perpetual and daily endeavor. The Spirit will convict, we are only called to "teach, reprove, correct and instruct" and to do so only by the standard of measurement of scripture. And to this, being done in love and affection for the well being of our brethren.

Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my Brethren. The will of our heavenly Father in regard to celestial authorities appointed by His own hand at the dawn of creation, regardless of their subsequent state of corruption or how far they may have fallen, is this:

"This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh and despise authority.

Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from the Lord. But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish."

My Brother NuT is not an animal, he is a new creature in Christ. No different than any of his brethren in forgiveness of sins by our salvation in Christ Jesus, nor the work entailed in holding ourselves accountable to Christ from moment to moment. We were not told we would never fail, we were told to strive to put on the nature of Christ, and that the times in which we stumble would be forgiven.

Originally posted by nosacrificenofreedom
reply to post by WashMoreFeet

 

This thread is as long as a book!
Please shorten it cause it will take too long to read!

Then I suggest grabbing a couple of beers and a bag of chips, or a few cokes and a bowl of popcorn. It is worth the read.

Originally posted by WashMoreFeet
I am certain at this point that the Roman Catholic institution will play a significant role in these last days. It is still my personal speculation however, that this role will be that of the False Prophet of the Biblical Book of Revelation, legitimizing the worship of a female deity of through the guise of Catholic catechism.

You are partially correct, however Rome is the “beast”, and the “Little horn” the Pontifex Maximus. The “False Prophet” is most likely the United States.
The order, according to Daniel and Revelations, is as follows:
1) Babylon
2) Media/Persia
3) Greece
4) Rome
4a) The “Little Horn” coming from out of Rome is the Pontifex Maximus. The Holy Pontiff would usurp the power of the proceeding emperors, rule over most of the known world through fear of damnation, and would do so for 1260 years. After the 1260 years ended, roughly around 1790, he would be removed from political power by Napoleon. This removal from power is the “wounding” mentioned in Revelation. At the same time the final “beast” or “false prophet” would arise.
5) The United States, came into existence in 1776, started as a meek Christian country in a sparse area (the land vs the sea). It has a division of powers, but never had any nobility (no crowns). Etc...

Originally posted by WashMoreFeet
We are told of the Antichrist:

36 Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. 37 He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. 38 But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things (Daniel 11:36-38).

We are told no such thing, Futurist writers make assumptions stating that Daniel 11 applies to the “Antichrist” as it fits their belief system, but the Bible is very clear about antichrists:

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. - 1 John 2:18

Daniel 11 is speaking very specifically about Antiochus IV Epiphanes, meaning "God Manifest", also called Antiochus “the madman”. This dude was pure evil, he did horrible things to the Jews. There are stories of his setting up a fire in front of one of his banquets, then telling Jews they could either eat unclean food or throw themselves in the fire. Whole families including women and children chose to willing go into the fire rather then disobey God. He also desecrated the Temple.

The desecration of the temple has happened repeatedly, and I believe that one of the errors that is made in Futurism is trying to equate all these desecrations into one event. The Romans also later desecrated then destroyed the Temple in 70 AD, and a LOT of your Biblical prophecy involves that period of the “End of an Age” (Age of the Jews) and the beginning of a new age (Church Age, or Age of Gentiles).

Originally posted by chr0naut

Originally posted by Miracula
The dark side has cookies.

2nd.

The light side has bread and WINE!

Ha, ha & touche!

And Benny Hinn.

You can't beat faith healers with tupees.

Originally posted by defcon5
The Romans also later desecrated then destroyed the Temple in 70 AD, and a LOT of your Biblical prophecy involves that period of the “End of an Age” (Age of the Jews) and the beginning of a new age (Church Age, or Age of Gentiles).

Which will also come to an end by destruction. It happened to God's people of the Judaic covenant and it will happen to God's people of Christ's covenant. Both ages will be culminated to their fullness, then the end of all ages will take place, then His creation will be renewed without corruption, as has always been His intent.

The free will to choose to love God or hate Him, unfortunately must be worked out in a process that will eventually reach completion, lest we be damned to an eternity of corruption.

God, being omniscient, already knew corruption would inevitably manifest itself within His creation to bear witness to the difference between wrong and right, His way of all things good which lead to life, or not His way which inevitably perpetuates death. Thus His plan of redemption was already in place before creation ever took place. Just like His intention for it to culminate into fullness so it could be renewed in its fullness, yet without corruption.

The Enemy hijacks the beauty of this endeavor with the concept of the Phoenix rising from the ashes. Only it is not God's fullness which is burnt into ashes, it is all that is tainted with corruption.


The fullness of God as expressed in the Body of Christ at the culmination of this existence is the seed that had to be planted for His true Garden of eternal perfection to grow.
Can you see this Brother? We are told in the Bible over and over parables of seeds and growing. We are told about heaven in the form of "likenesses" and parable because the language of heaven is not spoken with human words. Thus God's way to communicate to us through human words is to give us understanding that we can relate to through experience. God is so good, so wise, magnificent and clever!! The beauty and perfection of His plan for mankind makes me want to run down the street, yelling about it, crying out to anyone who will listen and receive it!

Who knows, before it's all said and done, I may be called to do just that. And God knows I'm nutty enough to do it, too.

Originally posted by nosacrificenofreedom
reply to post by WashMoreFeet

 

This thread is as long as a book!
Please shorten it cause it will take too long to read!

Perhaps you're accustomed to pamphlets not books.

I have a problem with your analysis of the Catholic religion. You claim that the clergy is misleading the masses and has been internally infiltrated by evil for control. Yet the very bible that you cherish and quote in this thread was compiled by these very same people. I say compiled because these people didn't necessarily write the books, they just choose which ones were the most divinely inspired (or in other words provided the least amount of contradictions and the most amount of control) and which ones they can toss aside. What makes you think that this book isn't a tool of evil purposely worded vaguely to mislead people until it is accepted as fact? After all we have (my favorite biblical paradox) an all loving God who condones slavery. Who loves everyone so much that he lets us own other people. If the bible is truly the word of God he must condone it if it is mentioned in the book. Slavery in the bible

This is why I take anything quoted from and referenced by the bible with a grain of salt.

reply to post by Krazysh0t


Throughout the Bible God allowed his own people to be taken captive and used as slaves as punishment for disobeying him. When people decide to start obeying God, they won't be oppressed any more.

reply to post by Deetermined


Ah yes another great biblical paradox. God gives everyone free will. Love him or be punished. Yes such a great God you guys have there. By the way,just for the record, I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic. For all I know there really is a creator or creators that exist on a higher plane than the one we exist on and that may or may not have created the universe and subsequently everything in it. I just think that with the infinite vastness of the universe, why would this supposed god(s) care so much about a tiny speck on the edge of a galaxy located in a completely unremarkable part of the universe?

The bible and other works of fiction written about God or gods and the subsequent religions that were spawned from them were all created by men. Men looking power and control over other people. While there may be some good messages in Christiandom and other religions (actually all religions have a good message at their core of love one another), the message has been bastardized to the extreme.

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reply to post by Krazysh0t


Have you ever read the Bible? In Its entirety?

There are many examples in it wherein God shows His divine providence being worked out by whomsoever He chooses for that purpose. Some of those individuals were the very persecutors of His people.

The Bible states that the beginning of wisdom is the reverence of God, that all who follow His precepts have understanding.

It would stand to reason, if someone truly revered God, they would be eager gain understanding of Him. To gain understanding of Him, would be to learn of His precepts. To learn of His precepts, you must read the Bible.

The Bible was written through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. You either believe that or you don't.
God, as the Creator of all things known and unknown, is fully capable of keeping the integrity of His message intact for those who choose to seek Him. You can believe that, or you can choose to argue about it. Arguing about it will not bring you any closer to the truth, it will only keep you chasing your tail.

Originally posted by Krazysh0t
reply to post by Deetermined

 

Ah yes another great biblical paradox. God gives everyone free will. Love him or be punished. Yes such a great God you guys have there. By the way,just for the record, I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic. For all I know there really is a creator or creators that exist on a higher plane than the one we exist on and that may or may not have created the universe and subsequently everything in it. I just think that with the infinite vastness of the universe, why would this supposed god(s) care so much about a tiny speck on the edge of a galaxy located in a completely unremarkable part of the universe?

The bible and other works of fiction written about God or gods and the subsequent religions that were spawned from them were all created by men. Men looking power and control over other people. While there may be some good messages in Christiandom and other religions (actually all religions have a good message at their core of love one another), the message has been bastardized to the extreme.

I fail to see how punishment negates free will?

As far as the rest of your argument, it is ragged out and tired. You shake your fist and scoff at the sky, yet you don't even have the knowledge to leave this planet and try your luck of evolution on another.

Men were created by God, in His image, to reflect the nature of His person. Although this image has since been corrupted, we still bear the potential of this reflection. However, because corruption was borne through rebellion, disobedience and choosing our own way instead of His, the ability to reflect His image can only be found by submission, faith and trust.

reply to post by WashMoreFeet


You may actually be truly correct here and we can only hope but the Lord said when he comes to judge (remember he is here right now calling to repentance and I am as flawed as anyone), They shall not expect him and only he knows the appointed hour.

reply to post by defcon5


Muhammad is the antichrist thought there are many others and Islam is at least one of the ten kingdom's of the ten horns, there are too many good people even despite all the selfish little evil minded self righteous to outright condemn America and it may yet be returned to the land of hope it once was but not just yet as the corporations have to be destroyed before that can take place and there little lackey's have to be put on trial once all the incriminating data is seized from Prysm.