The government is not the problem

reply to post by beezzer


When the financial regulators are drawn from the upper echelons of Goldman Sachs, and return there after their stint in government is done. When the head of the FDA and the EPA worked for Monsanto, and will return there once their tenure is finished. When 8 out of every 10 dollars raised to run a congressional election is raised through the financial contributions of 40 mega-corps, regardless of D or R....

Than the government is a proxy of Wall Street and the mega-corps, and I don't work for them because I - like most Americans - work for small business and have nothing to lose by pointing out that both D and R are on the payroll of corporations who do nada to provide jobs, security or power to the average American.

Originally posted by Xcal2k3
The problem is acknowledging that there is actually a problem... Hopefully the new way wont be as hindering to you as the current state of things.

Ahh...that reminds me. My ever so intelligent mayor stating as much.

Let's think about the logic behind this thread. How long does it take Washington to get anything done? Even if the government shares the same level playing field by having the same access to the same state of the art latest and greatest equipment as the private sector, they can't keep up. There will probably come a time when the private sector can accomplish goals and motives far more swiftly than government bureaucracy.. Basically the private sector will become more powerful than governments themselves.. Look at the space flight taking place in the private sector. The private sector may be the first to land a person on Mars. How will the government control a private company from secret warfare and research from outer space?

If you look even farther in time, say 50 years, it will be cheap enough and easy enough for a private company to produce 50,000 robotic soldiers with far superior weapons than any country because they don't have the red tape..

star and flag!

reply to post by lampsalot

The private sector is becoming more powerful and our democratically elected government less effective and more of a sham

In the long run all democracies will fail because they are based on the Greco-Roman system, which was rife with corruption. We're seeing the fall of Rome play itself out all over again. It's a nice fantasy having a republic, being for the people, but then greedy men get into office seeking to rewrite (amend) laws that will favor them lining their own pockets and then your republic went from "serving the people" to serving the politicians who in turn amend the laws even further when Lobbyists (bribers) start throwing "free" money at them, so that these corporations can make even more money.

It's the entire system that fails. No government run by men can ever be forever sustained and remain untainted from corruption, it is just not possible. With the weapons these men have now, and their Praetorian Guard militaries, insures that each and everyone of you will be enslaved, unless an act of God occurs and some disease strikes like the Black Death did, and tears the whole damn system down to begin anew. Your right to vote is an illusion, you were all born to be slaves to the rich and powerful men, which is why they have always been in power and always will be. This world is their oyster, and you are their pearls.

Originally posted by thePharaoh
they use the army to secure oil fields...

What oilfields were secured by the Army.....oh you mean the old war for oil bullshoot?

Really man give us all a break and do your research before you come in here spreading false truths. You do realize that the US only gets 12% of our oil from the Mideast and that 8% comes from Saudi Arabia right? About 38% of the oil we use is produced right here in the US, 15% comes from Canada, and 19% comes from Latin America with the rest coming from Africa and the North Sea companies.

Here is a pie chart explaining where we get our oil from, provided by the Energy Information Administration.



I am out of work right now on a LoA but I just emailed one of our geologists and will be getting an official DoE report on our oil import/export numbers for 2012 and will post them here for all to see.

God I am so sick of people coming on this site and babbling their unfounded "war for oil" BS.

Please read the top of the page and start Denying Ignorance.

reply to post by lampsalot


Oh, so the people that write the laws that allow the private sector to control them are not a problem? I guess we should blame the drugs and not the person for trying them then.

reply to post by 0zzymand0s


The word firewall comes to mind. If my car's interior starts on fire because of a faulty fire wall, should I blame the polyester or the oxygen for being selfish?

So NSA spying, drones overhead, prohibition, government regulation of personal relationships, 2nd amendment, 1st amendment and 4th amendment infringements, taxation, police militarization....

Walmart did that?

Not sure I see the connection.

Dont confuse my misunderstanding for how Sam Walton can require me to ask for government permission to marry or send a paramilitary force to my home over a plant for some sort of corporate love now. I just find it strange that in the weeks since the spying and IRS scandals broke MSM news there have been more than one "its not the governments fault" thread.

Monsanto is poisoning me to be sure. But sthat doesnt mean the government is #ing me over the just the same.


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reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Yes, legal fictional entities like Wal-Mart write their own laws all the time to make it legal for them to do today what was illegal yesterday, these laws are written and lobbied for with the money from corporations so they can make even more money and give back only what they cannot avoid having to give back, and they constantly write legislation and lobby for it to give less back still, always.

Corporations, Always Trying to Take More and Give Back Less.

Corporations were unlawful until 1819 for good reason, the holiday you are about to celebrate was originally to celebrate getting out from under the king and his long armed corporations.

Really.

Originally posted by lampsalot

Originally posted by tridentblue
reply to post by lampsalot

 

Its hard to point at what the real problem is, because the private sector you're talking about isn't really the private sector at all, because they are so tied in to government.

You're getting the causality mixed up. The government is being privatized, the corporations aren't being nationalized.

Same old foolish reasoning. People can't be trusted so we can only trust the government. Which is made up of the most corrupt people on the planet. Obviously, these people should be given absolute power over everything and everyone. Then everything will be OK.

And by the way. I like how socialists are always crawling out of every nook and cranny and shouting down anyone who criticizes socialism and yet they claim they're the ones being oppressed. If you don't believe the government should be up your ass all the time, you're the bad guy according to them.

I don't care if you think the oppressive laws come about because of lobbying. They come about because people who love big government enable them by refusing to protest.

There is even profit to be made if people protest.

Don't do anything they profit from, and they will realize who depends on who.

They have had laws written to make the type of protest I speak an act of terrorism.

Originally posted by MyHappyDogShiner
There is even profit to be made if people protest.

I don't think you understood. Not if enough people protest. There aren't enough people protesting Obamacare to make an impact. You know how you protest something like Obamacare? You vote for the other party even if you don't really want to. You think I wanted to support Republicans? Of course not. But the Democracts have shown their asses since 08. They have shown they are just as bad. The first chance they got they crammed this individual mandate down our throats and their base didn't have the balls to protest.

reply to post by BrianFlanders

Republican or Democrat, it makes no difference, they are the same, two sides of the same coin, they argue for effect over meaningless non-specifics which in the end changes very little either way.

Kind of like an episode of Jerry Springer, both parties are full of it, it's just for show.

Democrat votes money for this corporate group, republican votes money for that group.

What we really need is a better choice of parties to elect from, until more choices are available voting changes little or nothing.

Besides, the real troublemakers aren't elected, one guy gets voted out, the guys causing the problems don't go anywhere they just work around any problems the new guy might cause for them and keep doing business as usual.

No real appreciable change will ever occur with only a two party system.

It's only about money anyway, if one doesn't have boatloads of it, one has little or no influence to change anything at all.

I'm not saying voting is a waste of time, but yeah I am.

We Need a party that has the balls to revoke a few corporate charters here and there, a party that addresses corporate personhood and the dangers of a legal fiction with rights but no responsibility, party that isn't afraid to have to eat ramen noodles for a bit because they aren't gaining wealth for themselves for the decisions they make, because they do what's best for the people.

reply to post by lampsalot

...our democratically elected government less effective and more of a sham, because corporate power is so great that they can essentially buy off our system with lobbyists...

That right there is why the Government is surely part of the problem. You can call them "campaign contributions", but they are bribes, they are bribes!

Then the former members of government become the lobbyists themselves. One big happy family!

And illegal under the Constitution.

reply to post by BrianFlanders

The type of massive protest you speak of might work, but the people protesting have to be willing to lose their asses when the banks/corporations that hold the note on their property call in the loan.

Everyone in this country is over a barrel if they are in debt, the clause to call the debt is in your mortgage, on your paperwork for your car loan (mortgage), in your cellphone contract (even a pay as you go plan), in every agreement you enter into to get all that crap you don't even really need.

"Oh My God!, I came back from the demonstration and my 60" flat screen TV was taken back by the bank........

Ya wanna fight with the big kids in the playground, you better be willing to lose your toys.

People here are too small and greedy and self-serving to risk losing all the things they think they need, there were protests in Wisconsin in 2011, a lot of people lost their jobs outright because they called in sick to protest, and I'm not talking about people working at McDonalds, I'm talking about university professors and county employees, UW nurses and other good paying jobs.

That was to get Scott Walker recalled because he was squelching city/county/state employees collective bargaining rights.

reply to post by intrptr

A central bank is also not lawful according to the constitution, so when did the constitution become something the parties to it could ignore?.

The Constitution limits and separates the powers of the government to keep government form infringing on the "God Given" rights of the people.

We the people do not have or need constitutional rights, the judge will tell you that you are in contempt for uttering such non sense in court, but not why, it's because you are not a party to it, you are threatening them with it, it is a contract to control them from infringing on your rights.



Must have happened around 1913/1916, when all the wars started, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and all the other distractions since.

Originally posted by Nucleardiver
God I am so sick of people coming on this site and babbling their unfounded "war for oil" BS.

really?... your better off not going on holiday then

What oilfields were secured by the Army.....oh you mean the old war for oil bullshoot?

the ME ones... it was either us or the russians

You do realize that the US only gets 12% of our oil from the Mideast and that 8% comes from Saudi Arabia right?

so whats all the noise about?

the petro dollar system? may now be currancy over gold for oil

Really man give us all a break and do your research before you come in here spreading false truths.

ok rumsfeld... how can you put false and truths together lol

Originally posted by MyHappyDogShiner
reply to post by BrianFlanders

 

The type of massive protest you speak of might work, but the people protesting have to be willing to lose their asses when the banks/corporations that hold the note on their property call in the loan.

Everyone in this country is over a barrel if they are in debt, the clause to call the debt is in your mortgage, on your paperwork for your car loan (mortgage), in your cellphone contract (even a pay as you go plan), in every agreement you enter into to get all that crap you don't even really need.

"Oh My God!, I came back from the demonstration and my 60" flat screen TV was taken back by the bank........

Ya wanna fight with the big kids in the playground, you better be willing to lose your toys.

People here are too small and greedy and self-serving to risk losing all the things they think they need, there were protests in Wisconsin in 2011, a lot of people lost their jobs outright because they called in sick to protest, and I'm not talking about people working at McDonalds, I'm talking about university professors and county employees, UW nurses and other good paying jobs.

That was to get Scott Walker recalled because he was squelching city/county/state employees collective bargaining rights.

Do you realize these "rich villains" you people are always talking about are paper villains? The people who are running things are ideological authoritarians. They already have piles and piles of money. Money is not what they are after. It's power! Power is what they want. Once they have all the power, they can have anything else they want. Money is the means to the end but it is not the only means.

Thus, the government IS the problem as long as we are not going to discuss real restrictions on government power. If the government is where all the power is, the people who are determined to abuse that power will always find a way to get to the place they need to be in order to do what they want to do.

Money is not the only way to get there. Lies are just as effective in a society in which people hear what they want to hear and are not looking for deception from the people they believe in.

reply to post by MyHappyDogShiner

A central bank is also not lawful according to the constitution, so when did the constitution become something the parties to it could ignore?.

Every chance they get. The framers of the constitution knew that the forces of greed ,control and corruption are always waiting just outside in the hallway to subvert anything that stands in their way.

The battle to keep them out of the halls of congress is ongoing. The constitution is just a document. It means little to those who seek to sweep it aside. To them, its just another hurdle.

What was it Ben Franklin said when asked, "Sir, What have you given us?"

"A republic, If you can keep it." (paraphrased)