‘Ima kill me a [snipped]: Death threats against George Zimmerman, random white people explode duri

Originally posted by ProfessorChaos

Originally posted by Char-Lee

I bet you have never been walking home alone as a teenager on a rainy evening...have you added the idea of fear in there somewhere. I sure would not want someone following my teen in such a situation. As far as the attack if the boy had a knife or some weapon in the situation it would at least lean "a little" toward being up to no good instead of just scared and worried.

As far as calling for help in this instance please remember your teen years...now maybe you had some unhappy interactions with the law enforcement. Would you call police? What would you do honestly no race involved but be a teen alone in the rain in the evening coming home from the store for a moment.

The thought that an innocent child's (as the MSM likes to portray Martin as) reaction being to turn on his follower and then 'ground and pound' rather than fleeing at top speed calling for help, and let's not forget his conversation with Rachel Jeantel during the moments that this supposedly big scary stalker was following him, really doesn't fit the scenario. He already had his phone in hand, why not call the police, or ask her to do it? No, turning around to face and attack this supposedly frightening man makes far more sense.

Martin clearly wasn't very intimidated by Zimmerman, so this whole idea of a frightened little boy seems wildly out of whack in my opinion.

I AM SORRY YOU SEEM TO HAVE MISSED MY WHOLE POINT. i AM SIMPLY TRYING TO SAY teens...NOT CHILDREN BEHAVE A CERTAIN WAY NO MATER WHAT RACE. Sorry didn't realize I hit caps

I don't see how anyone can know how intimidated someone was like I said Teens speak and act a certain way to friends on the phone and in life, we were all teenagers once and should know that.

reply to post by thePharaoh

self defence hahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You laugh but it seems pretty cut and dry to the majority of us.

zimmerman followed him....after being told not to

Told?? By a 911 dispatcher??

Since when do I or anyone else have to obey a $9 an hour civil servant?

and what armed guy is gonna wait to be attacked....

A responsible one!

Originally posted by Char-Lee

I AM SORRY YOU SEEM TO HAVE MISSED MY WHOLE POINT. i AM SIMPLY TRYING TO SAY teens...NOT CHILDREN BEHAVE A CERTAIN WAY NO MATER WHAT RACE. Sorry didn't realize I hit caps

I don't see how anyone can know how intimidated someone was like I said Teens speak and act a certain way to friends on the phone and in life, we were all teenagers once and should know that.

No problem on the caps...

I agree that kids will act one way when not around friends, and another way entirely when they are around their friends (I have 3 kids, 19 yrs, 14 yrs and 6 mos.), Martin was not with a group of his friends, he was supposedly on the phone with Rachel Jeantel, and he supposedly got off the phone in order to confront Zimmerman. If he wasn't being watched by his pals, then he had nothing to prove, and if he was scared, then his first reaction most likely would have been to run like hell, not attack the guy that was following him.

I think that Martin got off the phone with every intention of beating the crap out of this guy, rather than getting away from the scary man that was following him.

My point to you is that his reaction to Zimmerman, doesn't fit the picture that Martin supporters are trying to paint of him, and while your point is taken with regard to how kids usually act, it really doesn't fit the actions taken by Trayvon Martin.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by JayinAR

 

I don’t think they can change the charges in mid trial….isn’t he charged with second degree murder?

Regardless, if George didn’t initiate the physical altercation then he was justified in defending himself with deadly force if he felt his life was in danger. Yesterday I quoted the Florida statute in another thread. Here it is:

Abstract: 782.02 Justifiable use of deadly force. —The use of deadly force is justifiable when a person is resisting any attempt to murder such person or to commit any felony upon him or her or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person shall be. 1637, 1868; RS 2378; ch.

www.leg.state.fl.us... ustifiable+

If the jury, after seeing all of the evidence, decides this was justifiable deadly force then people need to live with that. Any retaliation against George will be premeditated MURDER (death penalty in Florida).

It seems so difficult to imagine someone having their life threatened (murder) without a weapon other then hands, unless one is a small person or a female or child.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by JayinAR

 

Nope. They can't change the charges.
The prosecutors in this case are idiots too.

I really feel like this whole thing may be a sham.

It is a sham…of course!!

Zimmerman wouldn’t have even been arrested had the NBP and others not screamed about it, Most people who shoot someone in self-defense never spend even 5 minutes in jail and no charges are ever brought forth.

Zimmerman is on trial because people like these twitter posters demanded it….that’s it!

I have a question of most of you, I am truly puzzled. I have read numerous threads on ATS about police shooting unarmed persons, always deemed worse when it was a younger person child or teen. No one usually cares the reason, they just site brutal force (gun) verses (unarmed) person.

Why is this so different to all of you?

All the people going on about ZIMMERMAN being given orders not to follow trayvon is a flat out LIE and DISTRACTION! Take this case for example.. Nurse Ignores 911 Dispatcher's Heartbreaking Pleas to Perform CPR on Dying Woman gawker.com... Listen to the tape, listen to what happened. Lady was dying, needed CPR, dispatcher was *giving orders to perform CPR* and the nurse refused!! NO MURDER CHARGES THEIR!! Lets cut the crap people ok.. zimmerman is innocent nuff said.

reply to post by Char-Lee


People pick and choose their arguments, and their agendas.


When children die, it something that hurts because children are our future. When they die, that future dies with them.

But..... If you view the amount of suffering children have felt in Africa , or any other third World Nation, Americas child deaths are miniscule. That's why they stand out when they happen.


Its too bad the World cant see murder or killing of children as the above all evil, it truly is, and do something about it. I guess watching TV, or engrossing in our own little Worlds suffices the needs of the little ones. Its sad.


Just my opinion, and you don't have to take it as the truth beyond your own.

Originally posted by Char-Lee
I have a question of most of you, I am truly puzzled. I have read numerous threads on ATS about police shooting unarmed persons, always deemed worse when it was a younger person child or teen. No one usually cares the reason, they just site brutal force (gun) verses (unarmed) person.

Why is this so different to all of you?

In most cases of police brutality, the cop isn't in the middle of getting his face bashed in and his head slammed against the curb for following a suspicious person.

Originally posted by starfoxxx
Lets cut the crap people ok.. zimmerman is innocent nuff said.

He was never innocent till guilty. He was always guilty.......

Right or wrong, the hypocrisy is here to stay.

reply to post by Char-Lee

I don't see how anyone can know how intimidated someone was like I said Teens speak and act a certain way to friends on the phone and in life, we were all teenagers once and should know that.

It has not been so many years since my own children were teens to have forgotten how idiotic they can speak and behave sometimes, but that line of thinking works for both sides of the equation. Consider you are a teenaged boy (of any race) who likes to act tough and seem "cool" to your friends. Say an older guy is following you. How do we know that TM didn't turn around and attack, physically beating, Zimmerman so that he could go back and brag to his friends about "beating down that old 'cracker' "? I've been around many arrogant, teenaged idiots out to prove their machismo to their buddies- and it seems extremely plausible.

PC America doesn't care if Zimmerman is not guilty.

Even if he had a real trial, there will be those who say he is even if the proof says otherwise.

There are those trying to make him out to be a "White guy", based on his name. There are those who pegged this from day one as a white versus black thing. Its so sickening. We have degraded ourselves as humans when we play into this type of 19th century mantra.

Judge him by the laws and standards on the books, not popular presumption......

Originally posted by sonnny1
PC America doesn't care if Zimmerman is not guilty.

Even if he had a real trial, there will be those who say he is even if the proof says otherwise.

There are those trying to make him out to be a "White guy", based on his name. There are those who pegged this from day one as a white versus black thing. Its so sickening. We have degraded ourselves as humans when we play into this type of 19th century mantra.

Judge him by the laws and standards on the books, not popular presumption......

19th century may be a bit too generous a comparison for what is going on in our society these days, our society is more akin to the 'grab your pitchforks and light your torches' mentality of the dark ages in my opinion.

***EDIT***

Originally posted by ProfessorChaos


19th century may be a bit too generous a comparison for what is going on in our society these days, our society is more akin to the 'grab your pitchforks and light your torches' mentality of the dark ages in my opinion.

You are right.




Personally, I don't think Zimmerman can get a fair trial. If he did, people might have their pitchforks ready, and lynch him if they could. I think they would do it regardless, if you let them.

Its sick.

reply to post by sonnny1


Well, you know the old saying... "The more things change, the more they stay the same."

Originally posted by ProfessorChaos

Originally posted by Char-Lee
I have a question of most of you, I am truly puzzled. I have read numerous threads on ATS about police shooting unarmed persons, always deemed worse when it was a younger person child or teen. No one usually cares the reason, they just site brutal force (gun) verses (unarmed) person.

Why is this so different to all of you?

In most cases of police brutality, the cop isn't in the middle of getting his face bashed in and his head slammed against the curb for following a suspicious person.

Martin was suspended from school due to Graffiti, he had no record.

Only one person followed someone into the dark as the other person ran.

About two minutes into the call, Zimmerman said, "he's running."[98] The dispatcher asked, "He's running? Which way is he running?"[99] The sound of a car door chime is heard, indicating Zimmerman opened his car door.

did not have a juvenile record.

In 2005, Zimmerman was charged with assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest, after shoving an officer while a friend of Zimmerman's was being questioned about underage drinking. The charges were reduced, then dropped when Zimmerman entered a pre-trial diversion program. Also in 2005, Zimmerman's ex-fiance filed a restraining order against him, alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman requested a reciprocal restraining order. Both orders were granted.[66][67]

If they were similar in size how was the boy going to kill Mr Zimmerman with fists?

The autopsy also found that Martin had one small abrasion on his left ring finger below the knuckle. No other injuries were found on Martin's body at the time of his death.

The original accounts the witness of the injuries to Mr. Zimmerman knew him well, thus could have helped create injuries to protect him from a murder investigation. It was dark others did not really see.

Sad thing He almost made it home:

which ended when Zimmerman fatally shot Martin 70 yards (64 m) from the rear door of the townhouse where Martin was staying.[102][Note 4]

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Char-Lee


Witness testimony and photographic evidence trumps speculation in my opinion.

From the trial:

Martin was beating Zimmerman (ABC News)

Martin was beating Zimmerman (Fox News)

Evidential photos:

Zimmerman's Injuries

Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

I don't see how anyone can know how intimidated someone was like I said Teens speak and act a certain way to friends on the phone and in life, we were all teenagers once and should know that.

It has not been so many years since my own children were teens to have forgotten how idiotic they can speak and behave sometimes, but that line of thinking works for both sides of the equation. Consider you are a teenaged boy (of any race) who likes to act tough and seem "cool" to your friends. Say an older guy is following you. How do we know that TM didn't turn around and attack, physically beating, Zimmerman so that he could go back and brag to his friends about "beating down that old 'cracker' "? I've been around many arrogant, teenaged idiots out to prove their machismo to their buddies- and it seems extremely plausible.

I guess it is all in how we picture this with not enough true clear information, but the boy was at his own back door when this happened, he ran for home...he acted like an average teen in every way.

Now this is just turning into is Zimmerman guilty or not thread, but the fact remains that several people feel it necessary to "riot" and do other things if he is indeed found not guilty.

The moment Zimmerman decide not to comply with the 911 operator's instruction to NOT follow the individual, he was the aggressor - PERIOD!

Originally posted by ProfessorChaos
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

Witness testimony and photographic evidence trumps speculation in my opinion.

From the trial:

Martin was beating Zimmerman (ABC News)

Martin was beating Zimmerman (Fox News)

Evidential photos:

Zimmerman's Injuries

He must have been a lot weaker of a man then he seemed I guess if the people who saw all these things in the dark are right. Sad he was not even on watch that night but on a personal errand. All very sad.