In 2009, Ed Snowden said leakers "should be shot." Then he became one

You say things like that when you know they are watching and you are going to be employed by them.
You want to fit right in.. One of the team they can Trust..
Edward Snowden knows whats up and how to play the game. Once he got proof of just how corrupt they were then it was time to blow the whistle.

Originally posted by tripsick
You say things like that when you know they are watching and you are going to be employed by them.
You want to fit right in.. One of the team they can Trust..
Edward Snowden knows whats up and how to play the game. Once he got proof of just how corrupt they were then it was time to blow the whistle.

The whistle on what exactly?

That the government has a great program for catching thwarting and monitoring its enemies cyber attacks from the likes of Russia & China and homegrown terrorists operating on Com's within its country,

Oh and that if they had enough time money & resources and cloned the population they could also employ people to keep directed monitoring on people such as you for no good reason at all,

Common sense was not given to you my friend lol

Originally posted by tripsick
You say things like that when you know they are watching and you are going to be employed by them.
You want to fit right in.. One of the team they can Trust..
Edward Snowden knows whats up and how to play the game. Once he got proof of just how corrupt they were then it was time to blow the whistle.

And he's not the sort of drab whistleblower that has already blown the whistle on this story.

He's like the dumb but attractive person that one is willing to hear retell an old "Seinfeld" episode, even though you've seen it, especially if the telling of the tale accomplishes some other purpose, a purpose that the tale teller might not even be aware of.

Snowdon might also be an infiltration agent of some kind. I think that is another possibility in Webster Tarpley's view.

He reminds me of another bright young fellow that went to Russia in a huff. Lee Harvey Oswald.

Does anyone catch the irony of massive discussion of a leaker of metadata screening? Maybe the rest of the flowchart is fill in the blanks, please tell. If he is smart, he wil know that the what he saw is maybe everyone is a spy, whether they realize it or not. He should have faked his own death, that is how most escape the catch 22 that is built in. Speculation is built into the algorithms, they do not prosper without it. If you cannot see that, then you are in the A.I. of it, and are in denial. This is nothing new, by the way.

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He didn't divulge military secrets to any government, at least there is no proof of this

...and likewise you have no proof he did not. The fact remains he worked for US intelligence and fled to a a communist country, then fled to a dictatorship run by an ex-KGB officer. Actions speak louder than words. He is simply a traitor by his actions. Nothing he has said is going on is illegal under US law. If it is, please file a lawsuit.

If he had come out to the US BEFORE the reelection of Obama and faced the consequences i would have more sympathy. He did not. His days are numbered. Everyone in the US should agree that laws matter. IF the laws are unjust, it is up to us to change them. We have that power. The United States is not a dictatorship like China or Russia. If you really believe that to be the case, no logic will suffice, reality is not where you live.




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Another thing I don't like about him is his confidence.

He's so self assured for someone who has just chucked his life into the shredder. He doesn't have the hangdog look of a real fugitive.

He may fool America, but there is not a chance in the world of him fooling the FSB.

Originally posted by neo96
So this guy is a 'hero' ?

Yes, because unlike you, he is able to distinguish between legitimate spying against hostile military targets, such as potential nuclear weapon manufacturers, and illegitimate targets, like the American people.

Furthermore, he has given up a large degree of his personal freedom and safety to inform the American people about the crimes being committed against them by their own government. Unlike anything you have ever done, nor will you ever do.

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Oh so spying IS ok just as long as it's someone else?

Like I said that is some 'hero'.

Back to worshipping the wind beneath Snowden's wings.

He's become a darling. He's become a star for telling people what they already know. He's useful to someone. That's why he is the focus of so much "controlled media" attention. He's the one they want us to look at.

Originally posted by Variable
If he had come out to the US BEFORE the reelection of Obama and faced the consequences i would have more sympathy. He did not. His days are numbered. Everyone in the US should agree that laws matter. IF the laws are unjust, it is up to us to change them. We have that power. The United States is not a dictatorship like China or Russia. If you really believe that to be the case, no logic will suffice, reality is not where you live.

You're the one living in a delusional reality. We already have all the laws and regulations we need, but the fact of the matter is that there have been no prosecutions against any corporate bankers for the fraud and theft perpetrated against the American people and the world, nobody punished for malfeasance after 9/11, nothing done about the unconstitutional and unlawful wars being waged across the globe for the last 60 years, and on and on and on.

Yes, everyone SHOULD agree that laws matter. But the people in power don't agree with that.

Originally posted by neo96
Oh so spying IS ok just as long as it's someone else?

Yes, spying against hostile military targets is ok. You think nations shouldn't defend themselves from enemies? Uhm, ok?

Originally posted by Riposte

Originally posted by neo96
Oh so spying IS ok just as long as it's someone else?

Yes, spying against hostile military targets is ok. You think nations shouldn't defend themselves from enemies? Uhm, ok?

That is the ideology behind what the government is currently doing.

Originally posted by neo96
That is the ideology behind what the government is currently doing.

Yeah I know. They consider the American people the enemy.

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ou're the one living in a delusional reality. We already have all the laws and regulations we need, but the fact of the matter is that there have been no prosecutions against any corporate bankers for the fraud and theft perpetrated against the American people and the world, nobody punished for malfeasance after 9/11, nothing done about the unconstitutional and unlawful wars being waged across the globe for the last 60 years, and on and on and on.

What does this have to do with Snowden? You think Snowden is fighting corporate bankers and a 911 conspiracy???

Your lumping disparate things to prove your point? This is why opinions are so easily dismissed, no facts or logic are required. We simply rule 1 + 2 = 87. I would humbly submit that, all you need to do is get enough people to agree with your " logic" and you can change the world. Good luck with that.

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Originally posted by Variable
What does this have to do with Snowden? You think Snowden is fighting corporate bankers and a 911 conspiracy???

Your lumping disparate things to prove your point? This is why opinions are so easily dismissed, no facts or logic are required. We simply rule 1 + 2 = 87. I would humbly submit that, all you need to do is get enough people to agree with your " logic" and you can change the world. Good luck with that.

Huh? Did you forget what you wrote?

Go back and reread what I quoted from your post. Because I was responding to a point you made, which is demonstrably false.

Yeah, you apparently have no idea what you were even talking about, so I will spell it out for you. You seem to think America can easily be changed by working within the system, voting in politicians and "changing" the laws. But that is simply not the case.

The American people have little to no power, and the American government has been completely co-opted by international banks and corporate interests. Proven by the fact that laws only apply to the little people, and not the elites in power.

And Snowden is further pointing this out by informing the American people that their own government is unlawfully spying and seizing private information about them, in violation of the 4th amendment. Not to mention all of the other gross violations against the rights of people the government engages in on a daily basis.

Originally posted by neo96
Note there is some language in that 3 page article that is not too ATS friendly as a reminder.

So this guy is a 'hero' ?

Not seeing it anywhere, and the more that comes out about this guy think far too many people are building him up in their minds to something that he's is not.

This is from another site that cleaned up the language

External quote from www.theblaze.com...

Page 3 of the first link

Yeah that is some 'hero' a hypocritical one.

arstechnica.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

edit on 26-6-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Wow.... You need to grow up a little bit.

Back in the 80's I use to wear panties and then I " Changed my mind " and started free-styling...

Back in early 2000 I use to believe in my Government and then I " Changed my mind when G. Bush won.

I also back in 01 believed that guys from a cave killed more then 3000 on american Soil, I then " changed my mind" when I seen all the lies and buildings coming down within hours of being hit by an Aero-Planes.

Things and facts came up that made it possible for me to grow and learn that sometimes...We are forced to change our minds when, again... Certain facts are brought to light and not opinions.

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Wow. Chatroom-style gossip. Great find again, Neo! (Sarcasm)

Thanks for wasting my time.

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Wow.... You need to grow up a little bit.

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Back in the 80's I use to wear panties and then I " Changed my mind " and started free-styling...

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Back in early 2000 I use to believe in my Government and then I " Changed my mind when G. Bush won.

Believed in something that has not nor will ever change

I also back in 01 believed that guys from a cave killed more then 3000 on american Soil, i the. " changed my mind "when I seen all the lies and buildings coming down within hours of being hit by an Aero-Plane.

And?

Things and facts came up that made it possible for me to grow and learn that sometimes...We are forced to change our minds when, again... Certain facts are brought to light and not opinions.

All that growing, and can't see government for what it has always been.

Originally posted by HairlessApe
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Wow. Chatroom-style gossip. Great find again, Neo! (Sarcasm)

Thanks for wasting my time.

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