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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by crazyewok
Your entire argument is based on the notion of selective and/or conditional love of one's nation. I don't 'do' conditional or context based loyalty. Context based loyalty is another way of describing a rat who hasn't been offered the right price to turn snitch or traitor yet. Period.
Further... There is a BASIC issue here and it's a BIG one. If someone is 18 or under (stuck here) this doesn't apply. However, if someone is over the age of 18 and able bodied? I'll buy them the plane ticket to get out of my nation as soon as flights make it available if they dislike the nation that much. They'd suck off it's benefits, bitch about it's shortcomings, then run like cowards when the tab comes due for the lifetime of high living standards than the world generally enjoys.
Well... If the nation sucks...3 things can be done. CHANGE IT. FIGHT IT. or LEAVE IT. This "suck it dry and walk away" is how enemies consider a place, not those who deeply love it. Draft Dodgers are the worst kind of cowards. They don't even have the guts to stand for their own unwillingness to fight.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by crazyewok
Wow... You couldn't resist? I'd wondered if someone would reach deep down in the sewer for a Nazi comparison. That pretty well dumps my respect for your point....across the board. Those without merit to a point reach for emotional appeal for it's own sake. Nazis represent a base and visceral emotional appeal for those who aren't outright repulsed at the attempt to divert a topic in the first place.
Since you must go where reasonable debate rarely sinks outside some threads here? We can address it in the narrow way it kinda...sorta...if looked at JUST RIGHT to fit, MIGHT apply.
The Germans were so infatuated by this man who would make the trains run on time and bring them something besides defeat, shame and humiliation as the world forced on Germany at the end of World War I, that they freely and openly elected that monster. They cheered him...as did parts of the entire world (for a period of time).
By the time they saw it was far too late and their Military was one of pure conquest for evil? The had no vote to give. No voice to raise and no ability to do a damn thing to change any of it. Those who tried suddenly found themselves very Jewish for all the difference it made in how THEY joined the real ones in the camps.
America has no comparison...HAS HAD no comparison...and God willing, WILL NEVER HAVE a true comparison to the points and features of the Germany Nazi Party. Nothing in history did or, hopefully, ever will again. The Nazis were't what Hollywood portrays and the comparisons start and end right about at script level.
In 100 years.. I wonder.. can people stop grabbing that lifeline in a debate? It's as ugly as it is misplaced.
Originally posted by Sparky63
I wouldn't dodge it by leaving the country. I would refuse to fight and face the consequences of my actions which would likely be prison. I have been prepared to do that ever since I registered for selective service. I would hope that I would be classified as a conscientious objector due to my religious beliefs.
Originally posted by cavtrooper7
in the idea of America.
Originally posted by cavtrooper7
And if my idea is inaccurate then I guess we'll have to fix it not run from it.
Originally posted by cavtrooper7
Canada good luck.
Originally posted by cavtrooper7
How fortunate those of us with sharper edges do it for you so you don't have to.
Originally posted by EA006
reply to post by crazyewok
I'd fight - for the future of my daughter.