I Am Simon Alexandra, The Water Bearer

reply to post by Murgatroid

God takes His word VERY seriously. Anyone who rejects it is asking for SERIOUS trouble. You can ignore it but it WILL cost you.

The lower the ego (dualistic demonic tendencies) the higher the tendency to be able to laught at yourself. There is a lot of sense of humor from the other side even if there is a lot of sadness for it having to be this way.

A bittersweet thing.

Those who take it to seriously will have a hard time coping. Take time off, if you are able and try to be the childlike who can find pure enjoyment in only feeling love for something that is precious to it.

Music is for me the highest form of meditation and prayer.

reply to post by BornOfSin

BornofSin, whoever you are, or were before on ATS or in any past incarnation on Earth,
your words do ring with some undeniable truths. I see no hatred, no "demonic" emanations, no "esoteric crap". I agree with much of what you said.

It is true that there is eviidence that the man now commonly known as "Jesus" (Issa) DID study in India - there are documents evidencing this, in numerous monasteries there. I, too, agree that he DID most certainly teach mysticism, reincarnation, and meditation and that gnosis IS the answer. Discarding one's rigid beliefs and perceptions are important to awakening.

These were your words:

Firstly; these are not 'my ideas' these teachings date back far beyond any Roman church.

Secondly; the teachings I offer are ENTIRELY about an attachment to the collective mind.

I could never express in words how painful and draining it is for my soul, to look at someone so blindly lost

You heart is at a point where the only way you will ever see it unburdened is when you choose to let go of your own bitterness.

This will not happen through process of this forum or anything similar because the bitterness and spite that you spit at other people in here has actually become that which defines you. No negativity can ever lead to a positive light.

I am actually feeling 'pain' in trying to lower my frequency to you, so I can no longer afford you my assistance until such time as you, yourself decide that you want to make the change to find your true divinity.

Love and Light my friend. I pray you find your way.

And I not only starred it, but I am repeating it so as to emphasize its rectitude.

We need to be aware that, even as Plato said, and Confucius, and MANY since and before, including Buddha, the Dalai LLama, Deepak Chopra, etc. that some people simply do not have the capacity to UNDERSTAND these things at an esoteric level. They are too accustomed to "Western" (Occidental) thought patterns and early indoctrination into the modern "Christian" culture to be able to grasp Oriental thought, such as recognizing the Tao, becoming water and flowing through life, rather than fighting it tooth and nail.

As much as many of us would like to be able to find the words to ease the burden of their negativity and pessimism, their rigid faith in a book they may be very familiar with, but do not really understand ---------

(neither inasmuch as its content is allegorical and NOT literal aside from some places and people who we know lived; nor its birth and growth and development from a scattered number of scribes and politicians writing in dead languages, to an artificially 'unified' and pseudonymical volume they see as a 'unit' complete in and of itself - and which is not even compiled in chronoligical order -- nor is it even arguable that the complete works of those original 'sources' are not included -- we KNOW they are missing parts and have been often and regularly 'mistranslated' by design)

------------ they cannot hear it; by no fault of their own. They have not received the step-by-step training to do so.

It has been long known that certain people are less able to think abstractly, nor do they have the capacity to read "between the lines" to the higher truths. This is the reason that the books were once held apart from the public, because those who understood it realized that very few are ready to really accept and understand what it contains.

Just as the man called Jesus spoke in parables, so is the vulgate written in a way to both steer and confound the lay reader. It is akin to a person having the training and ability to see the deeper meanings in poetry and literature, a skill developed over time and with much effort, to try to analyze Shakespeare's or any other 'allegorical' deeper meaning.
This leads them to ask of their leaders those things they recognize in others but cannot seem to achieve.

The bitterness and anxiety of people who can not understand the importance of the esoteric principles in the messages of the great masters is not their fault. I do not understand entirely where their belief that those of us who speak of these more abstract "meanings" - and see them quite clearly - are held as demons, or warned as being "duped by Satan," but it is a very common occurrence.

What you write IS WHAT Jesus taught. There is no doubt in my mind or heart. I have had too many experiences of the one-ness and interconnectedness of the universe itself to go back to the superficial 'words' that can't adequately explain it -- and so we must keep trying to reach out, as calmly and patiently as we can.

We all get frustrated and therefore huffy from time to time, but we must continue to dialogue and be reassuring and steadfast in our efforts. While I don't claim to have ever been 'contacted' by aliens OR by demons, I HAVE been contacted by benevolent helpers in various ways, shapes, forms, and means. The cycle is turning. We are between seasons, and there are two choices: blow ourselves to bits with ignorant hatred and immaturity, or rally together collectively to bring about the "kingdom of the spirit" on earth. I'm doing my best - I know my limitations, but I also know what I'm trying to get across to others. One cannot row a boat in a dry riverbed.

Namaste
~wild

reply to post by wildtimes


There's a reason you say that we don't understand, just like we tell you that you don't understand.

Remember, only Jesus' sheep hear his voice. He couldn't have made himself more clear and that theme runs throughout the entire New Testament based on who the Bible defines as the Holy Spirit.

I think we both know this is obvious by the different ways that people interpret scripture.

What's smack in the face clear and plain to me is lost on others and I know you've witnessed and felt the same frustration of "how could they possibly understand that verse different from the way I read it and understand it"?

It's plain and simple. You and I interpret scripture with two different spirits. They are not the same one and not everyone has the same spirit. I've been telling people this forever, but they don't like it. The thing is, the proof is in the pudding.

You believe your spirit and I believe mine, which is the Holy Spirit given to me by Jesus.

reply to post by Deetermined

You believe your spirit and I believe mine, which is the Holy Spirit given to me by Jesus.

Are you implying mine is not the "Holy Spirit", Dee? Really?

I'd like to think not, because that is preposterous. Just because I turned away from the superstitious, out-dated information in the Bible does NOT MEAN that I don't have the Holy Spirit within me.

reply to post by wildtimes


The Holy Spirit is found in the scriptures. If you throw away the scriptures, you've thrown away the Holy Spirit.

Let me ask you what this verse means to you...

Matthew 16:16-17

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

What do you think Jesus meant when he says that flesh and blood is not capable of revealing who Jesus truly was?

reply to post by Deetermined


What? Yes, I pricked my finger yesterday - oop! Not the Holy Spirit.
I pulled a muscle, too! Not the Holy Spirit.

MY CONSCIOUSNESS is where the Holy Spirit dwells. It is my God-given birth-right, and you can't take it from me or "declare" that I am a demon or do not have it.

The scriptures are NOT NECESSARY. Do you think the Dalai Llama has the Holy Spirit in him? He does. So did Ghandi, so do I, and so do you. What you are doing with yours is cutting people down for their efforts to reach it. The scriptures are the words of men. You really ought to stop "condemning" people or dismissing their ability to think for themselves. The message that Jesus gave was that we are all children of the same Divine Source.

He did NOT say to go around pointing at people and declaring they are "demons" or "following Lucifer", or that their own innate reason and thoughts are evil. It is NOT YOUR PLACE to do that. You really do have a lot of bitterness and a narrow mind.

reply to post by wildtimes

The scriptures are the words of men.

In my opinion, this is where everyone makes their first mistake that leads them away from the Holy Spirit.

They would rather listen to others than to what Jesus said. Jesus even admitted that.

Time will tell if what I'm saying is true. It's just a matter of time before we see the rest of the prophecies being fulfilled in the Middle East.

Unfortunately, I doubt that those who want to make themselves God will be able to understand and interpret those signs for what they truly are. Some will remain blind until the very end.

reply to post by wildtimes

The message that Jesus gave was that we are all children of the same Divine Source.

God only created all of us in his IMAGE. That did not include all of us having the heart and mind of God, for obvious reasons. If we did, we would be witnessing a different world today.

reply to post by Deetermined

In my opinion, this is where everyone makes their first mistake that leads them away from the Holy Spirit.

That is YOUR OPINION.

Dee, PEOPLE wrote those things down. Human beings. People. I don't believe that the Bible is the only "correct" work of history - it's actually pretty lame. Jesus said we must treat each other with love, as we would be treated. That's it. That's all. To do that is to live the Holy Spirit. That is what he was saying.

YOU are the one listening to the words of MEN written in that compilation of stuff put together by a panel of MEN, not I.

reply to post by Deetermined

Literalism - in English - is NOT THE MESSAGE. But, you just don't get it. You don't.
You aren't that special, Dee. Neither am I. We're both struggling to find our way back "home." How dare you make these "judgments"? What pride makes you think that YOU have the answers?

Whatever. We've long known we don't see eye to eye. We both know you think I'm going to hell and am too thick to be able to see the higher truths of the unseen and unknowable. Never mind then. Think whatever you want. Don't worry yourself over whether it's true or not. You know it all. Good on ya.

reply to post by wildtimes


What do I have to be bitter about? It's sounds to me like you're bitter towards God's message.

Let's take a look at how others reacted to what Jesus had to say...

John 6:59-67

59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

BornofSin, allow me to engage you on your truths. i have followed up on much of your posts and see much possibility for truth to be prevalent. I understand fully well all that you have said and can find no thorough disagreement.

However, we are advised to test the spirits and it is as well wise to test the prophets. as i understand very well the underlying truth of "demons to some, angels to others" and will not spiral into dogmatic discussion. will you allow me to test your truth? and if you will.. please answer me the questions which i am about to ask.

I too am a water bearer, I also possess the light and the teachings of the light. as a fellow water bearer's request, on direction of the Spirit.. please explain to us.. faithful and heathen alike..

what is the relation between the water and the light of divinity?

can man achieve the light by deeds and good will alone or must he pray as well? and if he must pray, my question is this... What is the true form of prayer?

i will await your response to these before continuing... there should be no issue with the revelations if you do indeed possess the light. as well as you will also know that this information is heavily guarded by God's own construct for attainment. thus there is no risk of a wicked or evil and dark-hearted man having any iota of success even with such knowledge to attain God's light.


I will also remind any doubters attempting to use rhetoric to belittle or set harm to this person's character as those who have not seen the light do not know truth and cannot identify it. and thus do not have the qualifications to call anyone a fraud. it is also in no wise, to tempt your faith by challenging someone who makes such claims as BornofSin do as the minor possibility that God's hands shields them from you, can cause you great personal hardship in your attempts to defile or otherwise channel negativity in their direction. this advice is for heathen and faithful alike. test the spirit for truth and do not be mistaken to condemn it with blind vision and poor judgement.

"It is the mark of an educated man to entertain something, without accepting it"

may the resident psychologists stand down while i cut a clear path to truth. I have already confirmed to you that the water and light you do not believe in is real.

Regards
The Mage

reply to post by filledcup


So, Filledcup, what does "6th initiate Ascended Master" mean to you?

reply to post by Deetermined


Why do you choose to limit God to a book? God is NOT a book, so I don't understand why you think he is. You idolize the bible over everything, that's a form of idolatry, something your "bookgod" teaches against.

The holy spirit is not in the bible. It's within every living thing, including non-believers. If it weren't, there would be no life at all. Once you realize you have it, that is when you "receive" it, even if you don't believe the bible.

Stop limiting God to a book, you are seriously limiting him by doing so. Think outside the box (book) for once.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


What you fail to understand is that there are other "gods" and entities out there, they don't all lead to the Creator God no matter how much you would like for them to. If we were all apart of the same God and filled with the Holy Spirit, we wouldn't need to have this discussion. Jesus didn't say he came to bring peace only. He said he came to bring division to separate the sheep from the goats.

Study the parable of the wheat and the tares.

reply to post by Deetermined


Yes, and your bible is one of those other "gods", yet you refuse to see it. If you think god is contained in a book put together by powerful men who ruled a bloody empire, you are badly mistaken.

God is not in a book, no matter how much you want to believe he is. If you think so, you are blind to yourself.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


You're right. My God is separate from others because he said he was separate from others. The Bible doesn't hide the fact that people were worshiping other gods and what some of their names were and what happened to them. If the Bible is false, then I deserve what I get for being led astray, but this is where my God led me and I'm sticking with him and his spirit. That's what faith is all about. Otherwise, I would just be holding a bunch of mixed beliefs, like most people today.

Someone comes along and tells us that GOD is really a chic and Jesus failed and that it is necessary to rewrite the bible in order to understand his truths correctly. He tells you all that he is communicating with the leader of the fallen ones and that two thirds of humanity needs to be killed so his message can be accepted and many people jump on the side of the blasphemy to join this sucker. Many of you buying into this do not even believe that Jesus the Son of GOD was here and died on the cross but you try to use the bible as a reference point to find your path or to dispute those of us that know Jesus was here and he has no use for anyone rewriting his word. Jesus did not go out and kill some bum to get his power he gave his life for us.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

 

You're right. My God is separate from others because he said he was separate from others. The Bible doesn't hide the fact that people were worshiping other gods and what some of their names were and what happened to them. If the Bible is false, then I deserve what I get for being led astray, but this is where my God led me and I'm sticking with him and his spirit. That's what faith is all about. Otherwise, I would just be holding a bunch of mixed beliefs, like most people today.

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the Book said he said, that his cousin told him that his brother's wife's second cousin said that..

reply to post by filledcup


Not that I would expect you to know that Jesus told his disciples, but he told them that he would send them the Holy Spirit to remind them of his words in order for them to continue the gospel of the kingdom throughout the entire world.

What about you, filledcup? Are you an "Ascended Master" like the OP? Did you go through the same mystery school? What level initiate are you?