The Cartoon That Will Destroy America And/Or Entertain Some Children

Each to their own I suppose. But ALOT of cartoons have cross dressing in them, even some Disney movies
It's not confusing at all, it's just entertainment. Plus, kids like to play dress up all the time, so what if they want to wear the opposite sexes clothes? They aren't hurting anybody and as adults, if they want to cross dress - they still aren't hurting anybody.

Originally posted by Darth_Prime
reply to post by AQuestion

 

i am not in fear,

you have talked a lot about transhumanist agenda, but what does that have to do with Drag Queens, Transgenders or even transvestites?

Transhumanism is about utilizing technological advancements to create a 'Posthuman', it seems and i may be wrong but you are saying instead of worrying about the cartoon desensitizing children to drag, but it will desensitize them to transhumanism ?

Dear Darth_Prime,

I am not worried about gays, transgenders or much else. I believe the truth sets you free and the truth is that we should not seek to be God. Now what does that mean? It has nothing to do with being gay or transgendered or whatever, it has to do with seeking to be the sole truth in the universe and not loving one another. Your putting on a dress will not end civilization, trust me. People trading in their humanity to have the "benefits" of being animals is a lot more scary to me, choosing to be less than human. I am not afraid of two men kissing, I am horrified by the fact that it is legal to combine the genes of humans with those of pigs. Doesn't it concern you?

If this were a cartoon where a Girl dressed as a Boy Superhero there would be very little debate and this thread wouldn't exist.
The Cartoon would be aired and there would be no complaints. People would be happy to plonk both their Daughters and Sons in front of the idiot box and let them watch this without batting an eyelid.

I think the OP, or someone else brought up Boys possibly wanting to emulate the character and dress up. So when Halloween comes around, if you have a Daughter, she's allowed to wear just about anything across the genders, and parents will be all "Awwww she's so cute". But god forbid if your Son wants to dress up in anything remotely feminine.

Why the double standards?

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by BO XIAN

 

Dear BO XIAN,

. . . "Gender Identity" is different than gender. Someone that has to X chromosomes, has female organs and can bare children is insane if they think they are a male. Chastity Bono may have gotten a sex change operation; but, the genes did not change, she is still a female. Which trait should we not find in both sexes, humility, forgiveness, strength, hope, love?

I agree with you.

Not sure where our disconnect is.

IF your asking me to answer the question as to what traits, tendencies etc. are true for one sex vs the other . . . I think I've answered that question to some degree.

IF you are asking . . . how to put it . . . what masculine traits, tendencies etc. women OUGHT NOT to have vs men . . . that's a different issue.

Group averages are MORE SIMILAR than INDIVIDUAL DIFFERENCES. That is, men as a group would--as human beings--be more similar to women as a group than individual men on one extreme of some continuum would be from individual men on the other extreme of that continuum. Ditto women.

That's pretty logical . . . GROUP AVERAGES ARE . . . welllll . . . averages.

Certainly there are strong, aggressive, kick-butt-problem-solving, sports addicted, gruff, etc. women with female organs and female hormones.

The opposite is certainly true for some men.

Nevertheless, imho, and per my Christian perspective . . . barring truly ambiguous physiology etc. . . . individuals "waking up on a Monday morning and deciding 'I think today, I'll switch sex' " are . . . playing with issues and dynamics fraught with horrific complications, distortions, fantasies vs realities, grief etc. that I don't think "Political Correctness" remotely prepares them for.

I'm a pretty strong believer in mostly blooming where and as we are planted.

Though I certainly also advocate becoming all we can healthily become.

We all have strengths and weaknesses to capitalize on and overcome. It is the challenge of this boot-camp called life.

Whether we met with Father God before being born and chose our particular mix of strengths and weaknesses or not may be an interesting conjecture. Alas, regardless, our existential "thrownness" is ours to work out as best we can, with God's help.

I think it's one thing for a double amputee to put on advanced prosthetics and compete in a marathon.

It's quite another to become sooooooo troubled by one's genetic, sexual thrownness to throw it all overboard and switch sides . . . out of . . . misguided fantasies, dissatisfaction with one's life and who one is . . . and dreams that cobbled together different genitals will suddenly make life wonderful. I don't think it's remotely that simple or wonderful when all the dust settles.

I don't think the main issues of life are really even something as basic as what sex we are. I think the basic issues of life are

1. Will we love vs not love--beginning with accepting and dancing with God's love;
2. Will we be humble vs arrogant;
3. Will we do unto others as we'd like done unto us.
4. Will we be forgiving
5. Will we avoid unfitting carnal judgments of others
6. Will we contribute vs take
7. Will we overcome vs wallow and whine.

Certainly our genetic sex and our gender role traits and habits color the expression of those values and priorities. However, on the whole, THOSE CHOICES are, imho, much deeper and more nitty gritty than even our genetic sex and/or our gender roles.

I think people are thinking way to much into it.

I've always been more uncomfortable about comic book illustrators using hyper-dramatic perspectives and up-shot angles in an effort to try to get preteen boys all emotionally worked up about over-developed "heroic" men posing provocatively in spandex tights, and that bizarrely suggestive Batman-Robin relationship paradigm being portrayed as somehow normal and healthy. That's always seemed more like a gay recruitment effort, but then, I never really understood the whole "Boy Scouts" thing either. Little uniforms with badges and gayly colored neck scarves, and that full grown men "camping" with little boys overnight requirement. It all so sketchy, if you really think about it.

An what about this guy? He teaches young boys to be offensive creeps

I don't see anything wrong with the cartoon in the OP, or Bugs Bunny in drag, or any of those mentioned in the thread to be honest. If your kids are learning their morality from cartoons you need to take a look at your parenting skills.

To be fair though watching Pepe Le Pew did make me want to go out and force myself sexually on cats but that was a passing phase.

(on a related note, did anybody ever put on the girdle of femininity when playing D&D? Oh come on! I know I wasn't the only one.)

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I often was. Hulking male warrior when playing D&D. I had a whole range of characters.

That's the joy of childhood....using your imagination. In my dreams, I often fought crime as a male superhero...but I'm all girl.

My son got Mario Party 9 for his birthday. His favorite character to be? The princess.

reply to post by Akragon

Originally posted by Akragon
I personally have no problem with people that want to dress a little... Out of the ordinary...

Though im not sooo sure it should be promoted with children ages 6-11...

I saw an ad for this a few nights ago... and my jaw hit the floor...

What the hell is this world coming to?!?!

:shk:

Wow it's strange to see people acting this way over CLOTHING. This is what happens when people are raised to believe in something since they were very young. They actually start to believe that such conformity has anything to do with reality - and is not just conformity (something they were to believe which affects behavior)

You DO realize that there are no male and female clothing right? Clothing is clothing and it is because of cultural CONFORMITY that we say "this is for males" and "this is for females".

If you go to South Korea you would probably think every guy is gay because they care about their looks and seem a bit feminine (by WESTERN standards).

If you go to some places (like some areas of Scotland) men where skirts and it is seen as "manly". That is the old tradition.

Did anybody even bother to look up the premise of the show? It looks to me like it's just a lesson in poetical irony. The protagonist sounds a bit chauvinistic and has to make a Faustian deal in order to attain superpowers. He's stepping outside his comfort zone for the greater good. I actually like that quality in my heroes.

SheZow is a 2D animated toon that focuses on a 12 year old boy named Guy Hamdon, who sees himself as the epitome of manliness, going so far as to coin his own catchphrase: It’s a GUY thing. Unfortunately for the young man, he discovers a magical ring that can transform its bearer into a very powerful superhero on the condition that it was meant to be worn by a girl.

www.toonbarn.com...

Originally posted by smyleegrl
My son got Mario Party 9 for his birthday. His favorite character to be? The princess.

Back in the days of Super Mario Bros. 2 for NES, I ALWAYS played as the Princess. She has the best superpower in the game

There's lost of games where I played as the women characters: Some like Tomb Raider where the only playable character was a woman, and some like Mortal Kombat where the women kicked some major butt.

Of course.

They weren't happy just teaching kids these things are alright. Now they have to shove cartoons onto them that teach them they're not just alright, they're great. Drag queen super hero.

It'd be extremely funny if it wasn't so extremely sad.

What an amazing debate! I'm not going to share my personal opinion on this cartoon. Why not?

Cos those of you who are acting all crazy like and are banging on that this is the end of morality seem to have forgotten one teeny tiny little feature on your television sets.....

It's called the power button. It's the button our Lord gave us to press when we don't want to watch TV any more.....

Thanks for the laughs and just send your kids out to play in the yard or park or whatever if you don't want them to see it. It's what I'd do if I had kids and there was a program I didn't want them to see....

reply to post by Darth_Prime

Gays and Drag don't portray males as weak,Child-like buffoons, i may be a queen, and highly feminized, but i am far, far from weak, nor buffoon like

If you look at the first sentaince of my post, you will know the purpose of my objection. "I think the issue is not as much about sexuality as it is about nudering the modern man." Who do I blame for this? "It is Hollywood who is portraying these sterotypes - social engineering."

Not once did I point a finger at the gay community as the issue. I did; however, implicate the idea of putting men in drag as a tool to weaken the male identity. To make something that some people take seriously and use it to get laughs and denegrate others who don't subscribe to that idenity. Now, from your response, I believe you don't do what you do for laughs, but others are. Hollywood puts actors/comics in drag to look and act a certian way. Do you think the general public takes "queens" seriously with shows like "Mamma's House" or "White Chicks"? This kid's show will condition kids to have an unrealistic view of queens and transgender people. My point was differant, this show being a tool to furthor erode male idenity, but it seems it could ultimately erode others identiy as well. I would think that would be a negative for people who look to express individuality in a society which is very much conformist.

It certainly aint no Southpark.

It really comes down to choice. As a parent of a 5 year old girl, I would certainly want to watch the show with my daughter and get an insight into it.

Remember too, Dame Edna is an australian icon.

But then again I secretly hope my daughter turns out to be a lesbian.

reply to post by Akragon

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

its about boys acting like boys... Not running around in pink dresses with lipstick, and a make up bag...

As a girl who "acted like boys", I guess it just doesn't bother me. I still grew up to be a girl. I still sew, cook, I'm "motherly" and feel very much like a girl. But I can also tune up my car, design cool things and I love science shows.

I guess my point is that a boy isn't going to be any more influenced to wear pink dresses than he would be to crash into a painted tunnel on a rock cliff, unless his natural inclinations were to do so. Beep-beep!

reply to post by AQuestion


So you would say flamboyant behavior is sex, not gender?

Lots of hip movement?

Calling everyone "girlfriend"?

Like Lafayette from True Blood. That's feminine.

reply to post by AQuestion



There are not solely "woman" and "man" traits. It is what I mean when i say there are no absolutes. As far as traits go, typically men are more one way, women more another. Neither is always one or the other.

But being "feminine" has nothing to do with traits and everything to do with mannerisms. You are looking in the wrong box to find "feminine". It isn't in the "trait" box, it is in the "mannerisms" box.

reply to post by BO XIAN


Dear Bo Xian,

My father fought in the Korean War, he was highly decorated, he through away all his awards. He told me something I will never forget. He attended the dedication of the Korean War Memorial and sat while generals told what the war meant to them and privates said what it meant to them. He said, they were all right and all wrong about how they saw the war, he said everyone fought their own war. He explained that our wars and our lives are ours and as individual as we were.

I don't have a problem being around gays because I have no confusion about my heterosexuality, I like women. I was with the same woman for 24 years and quite happy to be straight. 95% of us are straight and are comfortable with it, 5% either like the same sex or don't know who they are sexually. It is hard on them, I have seen it.

When I first began preaching there were those in the church who didn't want to have a straight preacher, they were so damaged by others that they couldn't stand the idea of having a straight man talk to them about God. They could not understand how I could love them. I did and do love them, that is what God told me to do, to love my neighbor as myself. Why should I have even bothered to try and reach them? Because God loves us all and we are all imperfect. When they ask me if they are sinners, I tell them they are, that we all are. I have not met a perfect person yet.

I tell them to be the best them that they can be, not the best me that I can be. If someone is gay, I want them to be the best person they can be. If someone is straight, I tell them to be the best person they can be. If someone is a thief, I tell them to be the best person they can be. We are all flawed; but, we should be the best person that we can be, in my humble opinion.

A problem I have witnessed in the gay community is that many think because they are gay, they don't have to be good partners with their significant others, they think the rules of relationships spelled out in the bible only apply to straights. I have to tell them that they are wrong and I do. I tell them that sex is not a nothing. I tell them that the people they are sexually intimate with matter and that they are responsible for treating others with dignity. Either Jesus died for all sins or he did not, I don't know which ones he needs to die for again. Once was enough for me. We are not that far apart, we just have to keep understanding what we are each saying better. We agree, it starts with love and forgiveness I think.