Extraterrestrial hypothesis vs Jacques Vallee

I didn't think I would like your video...

I was wrong...It was great !!!

S&F

PS. I think with the distances involved it's more likely of Earth Origin. If I wanted to hide from us pesky humans.

I would head straight for the poles. Nothing like a few thousand miles of ice to slow us down.

reply to post by Mr Mask


I appreciate the response, MM!!

I can't believe I missed this info. It is very interesting.

As a rule, I don't watch videos posted, but I admit the presence of Vallee and a few of the comments were enough to get me to watch. Outstanding job.

Originally posted by JayinAR
I don't mind looking like a fool here. I do that often enough as it is.

It is more like, what is the point of pouring out your heart and soul honestly if nobody gives an ish?

Take this thread for instance. I told username ImpactoR that I have direct and personal, first hand testimony suggesting his remarks were way off base...

No response.

If people sounded as honest as you did, I would believe them more when it comes to alien or UFO stories. You sound like you experienced something, I haven't seen any liars sounding so deep and persistent. So - you had your experience but you admit you did something to cause it - doesn't that mean you have kind of caused hallucinations to appear to you? You had an experience but it was a dream, sleep paralysis or a hallucination, it was not real..

One guy (a friend of a friend) once told me some crazy stories I've never heard and I knew he was off or starting to become then what he did explained it all... He was saying how he used to have nightmares for some time, hoe would see demons or creatures, he would dream seeing how his soul leaves the body and he is watching his body from above, how he woke up crying of what he had just had) - He did recognize it as a dream, and obviously it was. Why did he have such an increased number of nightmares?

He told me he tried some mushrooms, then all became as clear as day. Whether someone uses mushrooms, drugs or simply meditation to trigger such thoughts and dreams - like you may have done, doesn't change the fact that those strange things you were just imagining and overhearing...

did you have anyone around that would feel and think the same without doing the meditation you did? That explains it

Amazing, thanks for the post.

reply to post by JayinAR

Hey there - thanks so much for your reply. I totally get it!
Dealing with a bad migraine here - can't think to say anything much right now. :-(
Will catch up on this awesome thread when I can.

peace,
AB

reply to post by ImpactoR

did you have anyone around that would feel and think the same without doing the meditation you did?

Hey, thanks for the response!
To answer your question, absolutely!
My ex wife and kids were home and were all awoken by the car horn blaring for no reason. The second time that happened my front lawn was bathed in light when I went to go make the horn stop. So there were witnesses to the strangeness that didn't even know I had been doing said meditation. A few other things happened as well that I don't feel so comfortable talking about. In the end though, I concluded this was a very real event.

Until that time I was actually undecided on the validity of the abduction phenomena. Not anymore.

reply to post by AboveBoard


Ouch.
Get to feeling better!

We have to remember that Jacques Vallee when questioned enough does not deny the possibility of the aliens being from another planet. What Jacques Vallee says is that it would be a let down for aliens just to be bipedal humanoids from another planet. He says it is much greater than that.

It is more that we do not have the true physics of the universe. We have brilliant physics in technology, much greater than the lost civilization of Atlantis depending on how far back we can go is a question. But we still need to rewrite the physics books and the history books. Obviously a big factor is that we do not have the mind power, but if we did have the mind power we would rewrite the books.

So the discussion only comes down to the psychology of the alien. They are watchers, and they are invisible when they choose. They can transport anything physical from one place to another. Jacques Vallee is very familiar with what I am saying because he is on a panel for Bob Bigelow and he does admit that he is not allowed to talk about it but only can refer to what was released from the organization about Skinwalker ranch.

Imagine if you are living in a world with your counterparts and you all can move objects with your mind, you can even turn objects invisible, perhaps can you stop time? Is the spinning earth and even faster spinning sun just an illusion of time and the aliens know how to manipulate it?

This is where we start discussing dimensions because we do not understand time, but it would be too far to say multiple dimensions or multiverses because of science, we are particularly talking about the 4th dimension so this would allow them to do the recorded things they did. Specifically to create acts while under surveillance and not have the camera see the act.

It is just a matter of physics in the universe, one universe that we can see the dawn of. But we do not see what was before this dawn. Scientists are acknowledging that the books may need to be rewritten.

reply to post by greyer


Great post!
I would suggest that we don't understand the physics because we don't understand the nature of reality.

I need to go back and watch MM's second video entitled Is Reality Real.

Some of you folks should watch Dr. Thomas Campbell's video called "My Big Toe". I think he explains characteristics of reality quite well, among other things speaking about the holographic nature about it. Here is the link to the video.

www.youtube.com...

There 18 different segments to the video. Also some folks might not like me to say this, or probably will, he has a book for sale.

I've been thinking about buying it for myself personally.(That's a rare thing)

reply to post by Specimen


I am gonna cone back to these videos either tomorrow or Sunday evening. I appreciate the plug, though.

I have never understood the apparent aversion people have to folks who are trying to plug books, movies, etc with their research.

For instance, I spend a LOT of time researching this field myself
Now, I have considered going even deeper. Mostly because I feel compelled to when I see some of the more quality work of some here on the ATS boards.

But to be honest, for a guy that already spends most of his free time simultaneously reading ATS and the various links I find herein, I realize that if I were to dive deeper, I would have to start making sacrifices I simply cannot afford to make

I would require money, to be honest.

So I have no problem if people want money for their efforts. It is the foundation of economics.

Boy it would be nice to be independently wealthy.

reply to post by JayinAR


Not a problem, I thought it would be a nice addition to the thread.

As for aversion of videos and books that go with research, that probably depends on the individual and how far they want to research. Personally, I try to avoid videos due to bandwidth issues considering I've been using netflix for most of my time as of late. I have never been to much of a book worm, and I only read a book if I feel it going give me in depth knowledge. As for most people however, I think they just want to take shortcuts, and what they don't understand is you have to crawl through a bunch of crap most the time to get a piece of genuine information.

I don't blame you for being ATS most of your time, considering it looks much more professional to other sites. And has some more prepared arguments or threads. Unlike others where they talk about fairies, happy thoughts, and going to heaven. I for one really F***** hate new age, and I don't try hard enough to avoid such topics.

As for diving deeper, let just say you could only go so far down, that sooner or later you gotta come back up for air. Sometimes it great to get away from it all, and dive again.

I hear you about the money. People ether want to do this stuff for fun, or try to make a buck out of it. You gotta eat right?

And yes to be independently wealthy would be a dream an a half.

There is no connection with us humans and "aliens".

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by greyer

 

...I would suggest that we don't understand the physics because we don't understand the nature of reality.

Yeah, Physics. We're silly to believe that we are even close to an understanding. Almost as clueless as we are about consciousness.

You want to see a pompous know-it-all scientist either turn tail and run, or spout meaningless rhetoric, just bring up consciousness.

Consciousness---that weightless, massless, marvel than can travel at the speed of thought! Hmmm...has some of the characteristics of a UFO, no?

reply to post by The GUT


Certainly does, GUT.
If you believe the stories these things interface directly with our consciousness somehow.

I can only imagine what they think of the human race as a whole. They must think most of us are raving lunatics.. I am certain they would think that of me.

Based on 1988 data, has Vallee looked at youtube and explain some light puffing
ship that is being rescued. A ship suddenly appears because its fast and just
stopped in hover giving off the traditional light like a Tesla tube light bulb.
Next the rescue ship appears in another spot because its fast and just stopped
in another location. He saw one UFO over his house, did he see the ship as
Rex Heflin did or just the light bulb effects.

So no ETs from planets now for Vallee, they just appear.
Abductions were mentioned, I suppose they were accepted as headlines for
the benefit of existence.

How about this, the ships are either US or Russian with US or Russian pilots.
An entire UFO airline exists with many operators and even more telling us
incorrect stories.

reply to post by The GUT


Well. My subconscious was certainly busy the last couple of nights (headache pretty much gone now).

I just have a moment, but saw your post and wanted to share this thought. My dream-scape presented me clearly with the idea that I'd put together on multiple occasions in the past after reading across a wide spectrum of topics from Shamanism to various world religions and the Sufi poets, to folk lore to ufology and the paranormal - it kept telling me to look for the "common ground" in all the phenomena (something I know Vallee has looked at) and this of course was code for "common ground" meaning "the field of being" - Consciousness itself. (Apparently, in one of my dreams, a professor of something kept wanting to have me come over for this luncheon he was holding with his 'think tank' because of a paper I'd written - he dubbed my work "The Theory Of Common Ground" and was hoping I'd join in - LOL - nothing like a feel-good ego dream to get you to remember something, eh? ;-)

Are you a Talbot fan, perchance? I pulled out The Holographic Universe this morning, something I had read a good decade or more ago and just now was reminded by my very busy subconscious to pull back out. Interesting stuff. I'm a big proponent of "the interconnectedness of everything" and the concept of "Mind is One" or "consciousness is ultimately a singularity" (cannot remember who said that last one - a physicist, I believe...??) I first heard of Vallee in this book.

Talbot has a section on UFO's in The Holographic Universe that is a really nice summary. He includes some of Vallee's work/conclusions in his summary, which is where I first had heard of him.

The entire book is an amazing read. He doesn't walk away claiming to have all the answers either, but he has explored the Mystery of so many interconnected phenomena in a very deep and thoughtful way. He acknowledges both the "high strangeness" factor and the physical traces data, which make UFOs and the associated experiences so danged paradoxical and confusing...neither entirely relating to our "norms of reality" nor entirely psychological. Much to ponder and re-ponder. Which is, of course, awesome.

peace,
AB

reply to post by Mr Mask


Very well done. Being a recovering CoD MW addict, this was dangerous to watch. Catchy, too.

Valee was the doorway into the liminal realms of animism and hermetic thought that explained this crap better than the straight ETH.

I've started reading a book by Patrick Harpur called Daimonic Reality that relies heavily on Jung's thoughts but ties in to Valee, too. I haven't gotten far, so I don't know if it's ultimately disappointing or what, but it's promising.

I'd bet something valuable that there's more going on than the ETH accounts for, unless the alien star treckers tech involves "spiritual" stuff that's as malleable as minds are. It is noteworthy that most UFO witnesses have had some paranormal events as well.

It seems the very rational behind finding concrete answers about aliens and the paranormal is flawed... perhaps it is a control system in place to teach us about the ephemeral nature of this reality we are in? Or it's a personification of the capricious humor of God?

Think I'll go kill some 12 yr olds... see everyone in a month. *Edit* Before authorities are called, see first line.

reply to post by greyer


It would be a letdown for me to know that the otherworlders that visit our planet, are not bipedal humanoids from another planet. Aliens from another dimension? I mean come-on. It's just another cop-out story cooked up by Jacques Vallee, who denys the existence of otherworders that travel to our planet with superluminal capable starships. It's the same cop-out that CIA spook J. Allen Hynek used by agreeing with Vallee's interdimensional space alen hypothesis

I like bright nuts an bolts lighted starships....sighted in daytime/nightime OPS by the otherwolder's --- not some cooked-up dreamy-eyed story about aliens from another dimension.

Perhaps I'm wrong...but too believe that otherworlders travel here via another dimension --- is to believe that these otherworlders are so far advanced ---- that our fellow Earthlings --- will probably never breakthrough into other dimensions, in the forseeable future. Thats why I prefer to stick with the superluminal starship theory. At least...we might have a chance to achieve a breakthrough in that technological realm in the near future.

Cheers,

Erno86