The Names We Do Not Speak: The FEMALE Illuminati!

Originally posted by Suspiria
Sinfully avoiding procreation and sinfully enjoying themselves probably didn't go down too well with the church.

The Church, as sanctioned, is only ever an extension of the state, but otherwise, nail, on the head. Heaven forbid that women should actually (shock, horror) enjoy sex for sex's sake. Let's face it, the only real reason to avoid sex is because of the reproductive repercussions. If the state are only interested in reproduction, they are not inclined to be interested in any pleasure on the female part, in fact, they want to downplay that aspect as much as possible, therefore, it should be repackaged and marketed as a 'necessary evil'.

Those Vestial Virgins were a very big part of that

reply to post by KilgoreTrout


KT,

I agree with 99% of your statement, but then...I usually do. Just as with "mainstream humanity," there is usually a discrepancy between where "we want to be" and "where we are," esoterically speaking. But then, that's why the Great Work is so important...and the reason for evolution. But now we are just speaking ideology.

As for the 1% where we disagree, well....c'est la vie.

reply to post by CIAGypsy

The definition of the Illuminati from Wikipedia is:

The Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened") is a name given to several groups, both real and fictitious. Historically the name refers to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776 to oppose superstition, prejudice, religious influence over public life, abuses of state power, and to support women's education and gender equality. The Illuminati were outlawed along with other secret societies by the Bavarian government leadership with the encouragement of the Roman Catholic Church, and permanently disbanded in 1785.[1] In the several years following, the group was vilified by conservative and religious critics who claimed they had regrouped and were responsible for the French Revolution.

In subsequent use, "Illuminati" refers to various organizations claiming or purported to have unsubstantiated links to the original Bavarian Illuminati or similar secret societies, and often alleged to conspire to control world affairs by masterminding events and planting agents in government and corporations to establish a New World Order and gain further political power and influence. Central to some of the most widely known and elaborate conspiracy theories, the Illuminati have been depicted as lurking in the shadows and pulling the strings and levers of power in dozens of novels, movies, television shows, comics, video games, and music videos.

When I look at the world I can see an obvious and deliberate use of laws to squash civil freedoms. The NSA issue being the most current story highlights an agenda which is occurring outside the view of normal government scrutiny and due processes of the judicial law system.

Secondly look at the US financial system where currency is created from the Federal Reserve. Does any one even know as yet who is the controlling entity behind it. He who owns the gold makes the rules. What external groups have influence over the system of statutory laws. The Patriot act, the creation of homeland security (didn't Nazi Germany have this also) are very unique enacted mechanisms to use safety as a reason for restricting peoples freedoms. But where does it end?

Thirdly, look at the use of military forces in the middle east. Why would any one be interested in the place at all. Because its a centralized region between European and Asian countries. The military reason for have UN sanctioned armies trotting through the middle east is clear, its to gain control of the oil supply to Asia.

Now when considering the above points an rationale person would ask themselves is the force intelligence making decisions in the areas above, come from a common group and, if so who are they specifically? Are they a derivation of the original Bavarian Illuminati, or a new group that has evolved out of the public view (such as a shadow government).

reply to post by AthlonSavage


Very well put. Our minds grasping this is something that so many are afraid to see. As for the few that do, we face our lives forced to live in a place that cannot see the invisible prison.

Peace, NRE

reply to post by NoRegretsEver


Whether a secret group exists or not people should never take freedoms for granted. Once gone they may never return.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by NoRegretsEver

 

Whether a secret group exists or not people should never take freedoms for granted. Once gone they may never return.

Agreed. But there is a natural lifecycle to EVERY civilization. Personally, I feel modern society has moved into such a position of apathy and entitlement that freedom, as it was originally founded in America, is gone forever. That kind of freedom will never be returned to those who had it and lost it. It will only be won by those who have never had it and fight for it.

reply to post by CIAGypsy

Agreed. But there is a natural lifecycle to EVERY civilization. Personally, I feel modern society has moved into such a position of apathy and entitlement that freedom, as it was originally founded in America, is gone forever. That kind of freedom will never be returned to those who had it and lost it. It will only be won by those who have never had it and fight for it.

What is your prediction for the future of America? Will it become some strange dystopian society where people are bar code controlled?

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

Secondly look at the US financial system where currency is created from the Federal Reserve. Does any one even know as yet who is the controlling entity behind it. He who owns the gold makes the rules. What external groups have influence over the system of statutory laws. The Patriot act, the creation of homeland security (didn't Nazi Germany have this also) are very unique enacted mechanisms to use safety as a reason for restricting peoples freedoms. But where does it end?

Thirdly, look at the use of military forces in the middle east. Why would any one be interested in the place at all. Because its a centralized region between European and Asian countries. The military reason for have UN sanctioned armies trotting through the middle east is clear, its to gain control of the oil supply to Asia.

Now when considering the above points an rationale person would ask themselves is the force intelligence making decisions in the areas above, come from a common group and, if so who are they specifically? Are they a derivation of the original Bavarian Illuminati, or a new group that has evolved out of the public view (such as a shadow government).

edit on 23-6-2013 by AthlonSavage because: (no reason given)

You are somewhat all over the board here, although I get the gist of what you are trying to say. The truth is that people want to see monsters because it is easier to point to people who have wealth and power and say they are the root of all misery. It's frustrating to people who use really do try to make the world a better place.

As for your comments about the Fed Reserve, I have responded to these types of comments several times. Here are just a few links you might have missed (I don't feel like retyping it all....)

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There are true monsters in the world, make no mistake. Don't let class envy let you fall into the trap of painting everyone with the same brush just because you don't understand why they make the choices they make. There is more than enough evidence readily available that they give back in spades. It's easy to throw stones when you don't know these people personally.

Alas...we digress from the topic.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

What is your prediction for the future of America? Will it become some strange dystopian society where people are bar code controlled?

They already have.

reply to post by CIAGypsy

They already have.

Yes I agree although I recognise there is different levels of control. Do you see laws being created to micro chip people?

reply to post by CIAGypsy


I hate that I might actually be gettin goff topic with this but I had to ask about this.

There are true monsters in the world, make no mistake. Don't let class envy let you fall into the trap of painting everyone with the same brush just because you don't understand why they make the choices they make. There is more than enough evidence readily available that they give back in spades. It's easy to throw stones when you don't know these people personally.

Are you stating that "class" envy is the reason that people dont understand the horros happening on this planet? And this envy is causing people that want answers to paint them all with the same brush?



Also, that we shouldnt throw stones at people that we do not know personally?

I ask this because this is something that is boggling my mind anout your quote as I read it several times. So I ask, is there anything that you disagree with (it can cover anything, politics, governement, etc,.) that you think can be solved by knowing them personally?

If I misunderstood I apologize.

Peace, NRE.

reply to post by NoRegretsEver


It means that you are not on a high enough vibrational level to be in a place of responsibility and authority.

You need to learn more lessons, die, be reborn, repeat a few more times and someday you will understand that you are climbing a ladder back to the godhead.

At which point you will choose to return back to this lower vibrational plane or wait until enough of the lessor evolved animals raise their vibration to bring the whole of creation back to the godhead.

Then it will all start over again.

So embrace all the tragedy, horror, class structures, pain, and terrors and only look at them in a positive life as they are meant to teach you how to raise your vibrational level to one day join the ascended masters.

Embrace your servitude so one day if you have served well enough you may be blessed by incarnation as a master.

As a master you can teach all those beasts of lower evolution a their lessons to bring them to a higher vibration.

Finally you can join in the fart sniffing party of superiority, that is unless everyone ascends in which case you are for a brief eternal instant equal with all creation.



This is one of the core doctrines of "enlightenment."

EDIT
I wouldn't just cross this point of view off.

I would double cross it and lock it tight in a pair of cubed cells!

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli


Did it seem like I needed that?

Seriously though I understand the path, who and what is supposed to happen, but also the way to get there through truth, by staying in any life cycle hell bent on ignorance, or ego, you can never truly be released.

And I dont think that you end up Kim Kardashian or Bush if you follow the right path, I think that there are those that teach, that step forward, so that the next can do the same.

Many of those that seem to have the "good" life, well thats another thread, but believe its not what people think it is.

Peace, NRE.

reply to post by CIAGypsy


you're a freemason?

quote by CIAgypsy

I agree with 99% of your statement, but then...I usually do. Just as with "mainstream humanity," there is usually a discrepancy between where "we want to be" and "where we are," esoterically speaking. But then, that's why the Great Work is so important...and the reason for evolution. But now we are just speaking ideology.

it seems to imply the member you're responding to is also a mason?
just how many of you guys are posting here?


the reason i ask is because in this post (above) you're doing a really good job of talking somebody out of something..

come to think of it.. this is an excerpt from what that person was saying

Now when considering the above points an rationale person would ask themselves is the force intelligence making decisions in the areas above, come from a common group and, if so who are they specifically? Are they a derivation of the original Bavarian Illuminati, or a new group that has evolved out of the public view (such as a shadow government).

i'm just curious, because i agree with the other person.. and to me, it seems like a freemason is here doing a number on someone who is trying to be a 'rationale person' why?

Originally posted by polarwarrior

" The smartest, most passionate, most beautiful women I've met have been Satanists. I don't mean "beautiful on the insidewhere it really counts;" I mean gorgeous, vibrant, curvy women. Most non-Satanic men find Satanic women intimidating - too intelligent or too pretty, or worse yet, both at the same time. It takes a special woman to be a Satanist. Only the most truly liberated are summoned to Satan's legions. Up until quite recently, the ratio of Satanic men to women had been about 10 to 1, but that seems to be shifting. More and more young women are going through the process of exploring feminism and Wicca, seeking feminine pride, identity and power, and discovering only impotence, limitations and puritanical self-righteousness.

So liberated women are satanists? Especially if they are intelligent? And now with feminism there are way more satanist women?

I see where there is going.... God wants women to bake cookies, do the housework and service their husbands.

Typical christian excrement

I guess you didn't bother to read the source of that quote? Not surprised, really. You got your jab in anyways, right?

reply to post by UNIT76


No, I am not a Mason. I am a woman so I cannot be a Mason. My husband, however, is a Mason. I'm not sure why you brought freemasonry into the conversation because that is not at all where I was going with anything I said??? In fact, the esoteric texts that I quoted had nothing to do with masonry. If you are assuming I am alluding to freemasonry because I mentioned the Great Work, well...that can be more than just a masonic term. (And in this case, it was....)

Secondly, what do you think I am trying to talk AthlonSavage out of or "doing a number on"?? He made a comment about who controls the Fed Reserve. I responded (via link) by telling him exactly who that is....and it's not who you might think or call the alleged "Illuminati."

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli


Umm, no. That's not what I said... But nice try at misinformation.

reply to post by NoRegretsEver


NRE,

I apologize....I should have been more clear in my comment. It was directed to specific individuals who I have debated with previously about specific people they tag as the alleged "Illuminati." Of course, I didn't SAY THAT in my post so it would seem confusing to someone who had not been part of that previous conversation.

So let me reiterate...

CT's frequently point to a particular group of individuals who they identify as "Illuminati." These people have notable wealth and power, sometimes for generations. In these accusations, they accuse this group of individuals as Satanists, dabblers in esoteric knowledge, and as having committed such crimes as child prostitution, pornography, human slavery, and all manner of mind control. Indeed, your OP discusses the female "Illuminati," Cult of Venus, and what crimes they may or may not have perpetrated.

My comment, which you clipped into a quote, was that....yes, there are true monsters in the world who DO perpetrate those awful acts - child pornography, prostitution, human slavery, etc... But I cautioned that you should NOT allow class envy (i.e. the belief that the wealthy and powerful have not earned or deserve their wealthy or power; or jealousy that the average person does not have control over how they use their wealth or power) to allow you to fall into the trap of accusing people of crimes they have not committed simply because it is easier to make the psychological justification for lack of control/jealousy if you consider them "monsters" or somehow otherwise "undeserving." Many of the people who are unfairly or unjustly slandered, for the simple crime of their family name and wealth, have given back to humanity (sometimes anonymously) hundreds of times over....and it is STILL not enough in the eyes of those who accuse them. Honestly, unless they gave away all their wealth, I don't think it would EVER be enough for some people.

Originally posted by DeadSeraph

Originally posted by polarwarrior

" The smartest, most passionate, most beautiful women I've met have been Satanists. I don't mean "beautiful on the insidewhere it really counts;" I mean gorgeous, vibrant, curvy women. Most non-Satanic men find Satanic women intimidating - too intelligent or too pretty, or worse yet, both at the same time. It takes a special woman to be a Satanist. Only the most truly liberated are summoned to Satan's legions. Up until quite recently, the ratio of Satanic men to women had been about 10 to 1, but that seems to be shifting. More and more young women are going through the process of exploring feminism and Wicca, seeking feminine pride, identity and power, and discovering only impotence, limitations and puritanical self-righteousness.

So liberated women are satanists? Especially if they are intelligent? And now with feminism there are way more satanist women?

I see where there is going.... God wants women to bake cookies, do the housework and service their husbands.

Typical christian excrement

I guess you didn't bother to read the source of that quote? Not surprised, really. You got your jab in anyways, right?

Looks like you got your jab in too. So that's pretty hypocritical huh?

At least my "jab" was about the thread content and not another member.

reply to post by polarwarrior


Yes that's right . . . some Christian excrement straight from the Church of Satan!



You couldn't just admit you didn't look at the source and jumped to conclusions and now you are going to whine about a supposed 'jab' back at you.

It was no jab, that was your face being introduced to the pavement with an audience.



EDIT
To CIAGypsy

Are you really going to try and deny the tragedies that have emerged as a result of the Rothschild model of central banking which they continue to dominate to this day?

The money they rightfully earned and deserve because their ancestors made a lot of it and they live off the interest. Not in every case as I am sure the family has very high standards of their brood. Some are scientists, engineers, artists, and many of them make donations at charity events as well as in private.

The issue people take issue with is the method which has allowed them to maintain their dominant position. They have a tap on all possible sides of the coin so it does not matter how it lands. An effective strategy and yet it has a propensity to set the interests of the people below that of the Rothschild. This inevitably leads to a conflict between the freedom of the many and dominance of a few.