The Names We Do Not Speak: The FEMALE Illuminati!

reply to post by WisdomSquare


No disrespect, but the 'Top Ten things' that you list, are pretty par for the course of what most people know about the 'Illuminati' when they just scratch the internet surface. ATS is littered with the same inferences in abundance. The point is, or it was for me, when I first started looking into this kind of thing, is if it is such a secret, why is it everywhere, and so easy to find? Sure, some symbolism is common place, it is recogniseable, and often misunderstood by those using it, but that does not automatically imply a conspiracy, let alone a cohesive body that is working to ensure that that imagery is placed as and where it is. Besides, more so than ever, it is fashionable, especially in the last few years since conspiracy went mainstream.

There are of course some people that do understand what this symbolism means, and there is some indication that they do use it as a means to deflect attention, however, that is a none too difficult thing to achieve as most people do want to believe that they are powerless, it is the most effective excuse for inaction there is and that is what the majority of people want. Or rather, they want someone else to do something about it while they bury their heads in the sand.

In short, I understand where you are coming from, and your presentation is lovely, but try scratching a little deeper. Roll around in the dirt a little. As someone on this site once said to me, the truth is often far more unbelievable than the fantasy...or words to that effect. And he was very correct, in fact, I often wonder if he knew quite how right he was...but that's a whole other story

Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
But if we were to look in another direction as god was meant to be god's (as the story goes, "why didnt the dog bark"? because the "owner was robbing the house") then there is more room for interpretation, as well as a good god and a bad which I think scares the hell (no pun intended) out of people.

Isn't that the point though? Isn't fear the greatest means of exerting control over a large group of people?

(That is not the reason I find the text interesting by the way...but as a point of discussion, it is interesting...)

reply to post by KilgoreTrout


Believe me if we were to get into the many interpretations of those writings, well thats another thread all in itself.

By the time you read the entire texts you can change almost all thoughts on what is taught now, and the true responsibility and even the true reason that we were created in the first place, and find out why we have been torn from the truth. Who was behind it, and how we see ourselves, and even possibly other unearthly beings see us as well.

Peace, NRE.

reply to post by NoRegretsEver


I wasn't referring to the text and my interest in it, I perhaps wasn't clear, but to the point that you made with regards to the 'bad god' invoking fear and how fear is an effective apparatus of control. That was what I thought worth discussing, in the context of this thread, of course.

reply to post by KilgoreTrout


Ahhh, got it. Though the text is worth a look regardless.

Peace, NRE.

reply to post by CIAGypsy


i'm not the only one who noticed this, maybe just the only one who called you out on it?

all i said was, there appears to be a lot of 'masons' here at these boards. thanks for the confirmation.

you said you were a woman, (wedded to a mason) so are you a member of the eastern star, job's daughters, (or were in) rainbow girls, etc?

i think it's fair to ask these questions, since we are all here in a topic titled "female illuminati", it would be very telling if (for example) we had a bunch of 'fire-fighters' contributing in a topic about a forest fire.

these would naturally, as i said earlier, be the types of people to 'do a number' on those who are not official fire-fighters.

just let me ask you this - what is the "bushfire" that we are all apparently fighting against?

Originally posted by UNIT76
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

all i said was, there appears to be a lot of 'masons' here at these boards. thanks for the confirmation.

I realize you are new to ATS, so I guess this is a new revelation to you...but regardless, so what? Masonry is an honorable organization which supports a belief in God. I don't know a single Mason who is a Satanist.

Originally posted by UNIT76
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

you said you were a woman, (wedded to a mason) so are you a member of the eastern star, job's daughters, (or were in) rainbow girls, etc?

Yes, but again...so what? That has nothing to do with this topic.

Originally posted by UNIT76
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

i think it's fair to ask these questions, since we are all here in a topic titled "female illuminati", it would be very telling if (for example) we had a bunch of 'fire-fighters' contributing in a topic about a forest fire.

these would naturally, as i said earlier, be the types of people to 'do a number' on those who are not official fire-fighters.

just let me ask you this - what is the "bushfire" that we are all apparently fighting against?

Okay, so let's call a spade what it is.... You are trying to insinuate that Masonry, including it's "off shoots" like Eastern Star, part and parcel with the alleged "Illuminati." And you think that because I support Masonry and it's charitable activities that somehow makes me unqualified to talk speak in this thread, right?

Again, you are new so you may not have seen the 10,000+ threads that debunk your belief system so I will give you time.

Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

You also seem to be derailing as far as the information in the OP. You have said on numerous occasions that you believe almost everything that I presented was and is false. If that is the case, then I do not understand what it is your stance, all I do know is what you do not believe.

I'm sorry you feel that me disagreeing with the arguments you've put forth is "derailing" your agenda. You and others have put forth the theory that women of the alleged "Illuminati" are somehow a ruling force behind or above men, by design. Some in this thread have argued that this alleged group also engages in rituals and arts of an esoteric nature. All I've stated is that goes against most, if not all, esoteric streams of knowledge. I supported my comments with quotes and links to provide proof (rather than just making false claims, like some.) In the hidden wisdom, male and female principles must be balanced and are considered EQUAL.

I don't understand why you think women would or could rule over men in ANY group where you are also saying they use rituals steeped in esoteric knowledge if that very theory goes against the foundation of the principle you are using?

Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

The thread title is "female illuminati" and both meanings, as well as other sources from rituals, to biblical quotes and info, including satanism.

I dont understand other than you disagree that you are bringing forth to the thread, and also debating other members thoughts.

Yes, I am debating misinformation. It's what people do here on ATS....

Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

Since you have made that clear, there is no reason to list a long post about the illuminati. According to you if the Rothchilds/Illuminati/Masons are in actual existence, there will be no women involvement any way,

Okay...yes, Rothschilds exist. They are a family with a long lineage in the financial industry. Most of them are very good people who have given A LOT back to humanity. They do not deserve to have their name tarnished. FFB brought up Rothschild women, but I have not yet had the opportunity to respond to that nonsense.

Masons - yes, masonry exists. I've already commented on this in a previous post.

Illuminati - Yes, they EXISTED in the 1700's as a Bavarian secret society who studied esoteric wisdom. They were required to meet in private to avoid being executed as heretics. However, that organization died out long ago as so many do. There is no super shady, secret group today that most people on ATS identify as the alleged "Illuminati" who wants to enslave humanity, rule the world, and commits all series of crimes from child pornography to mind control. That is FICTION.

Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

Now everything you disagree with is actually the theme of the thread.

Just a heads up from here on in all off topic threads will be alerted.

Peace, NRE.

First, I did not change the "theme" of the thread. In fact, I've requested others to stay on topic. I have debated the misinformation that is put forward in the thread as it relates to your theory and others' comments.

By all means, alert away...

reply to post by CIAGypsy


one thing at a time

... I don't know a single Mason who is a Satanist...

me either
..and i don't recall using that word? why are you?

Yes, but again...so what? That has nothing to do with this topic.

it does. that's what that whole "bush-fire" thing was about back there..
you know that, that's why you're so peeved just now.
but you don't have to answer that if you don't want to

that somehow makes me unqualified to talk speak in this thread, right?

not "unqualified"
.."biased"

the 10,000+ threads that debunk your belief system

..throw a thousand+ years on top of it too


so.. umm.. i'd say we've fairly identified one another about now, wouldn't you?

reply to post by CIAGypsy


Almost everything that you posted is your opinion, not fact. There is more evidence that your opinion is wrong then just you saying so, there are tons of threads (not in this one as much) that prove that there is indeed what you believe there isnt.

So because masons are consider by many a secret sometime evil society, and you know someone/many masons that you will disprove the thread, because you personally know this.

That is irrelevant to the thread, this is hearsay if anything else.

The debate that you are having with other member/members is due to your constant stance on one issue. If you dont believe it fine, but you have stated that time and time again. We get it.

I would to continue on with the thread with the title "FEMALE ILLUMINATI".

The alert thing wasnt directed at you btw, it was in general so that we can now stay on topic.

NRE.

Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
Almost everything that you posted is your opinion, not fact. There is more evidence that your opinion is wrong then just you saying so, there are tons of threads (not in this one as much) that prove that there is indeed what you believe there isnt.

In CIAgypsy's defence, I personally, as a reader, value the informed opinion that she has brought to this thread.

Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
So because masons are consider by many a secret sometime evil society, and you know someone/many masons that you will disprove the thread, because you personally know this.

That is irrelevant to the thread, this is hearsay if anything else.

You have failed to counter her argument, instead you have merely dismissed it, and I disagree with it's irrelevancy in the context of this thread. The subject of this thread is a 'female illuminati', of which, you have so far not put forth any definitive information, certainly no 'facts' of such a body, and by implication, it has been assumed by many that such a body would be a 'secret society' akin to the Freemasons etc. And have opined as such and raised the subject of 'Satanism' without anything more than 'hearsay' as you put it, to support their 'opinions'. You seem to take that information without quibble.

Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
The debate that you are having with other member/members is due to your constant stance on one issue. If you dont believe it fine, but you have stated that time and time again. We get it.

There is currently no debate here. So far all you have done is post a lot of material from other websites without utilising that information to substantiate an argument. The member in question has done nothing other than defend herself and her position against attacks, and that is the closest thing to a debate going on here. If you do not like the argument she is presenting, then I suggest you counter it with one of your own. Demonstration of an informed opinion of your own would be good for starters

Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
I would to continue on with the thread with the title "FEMALE ILLUMINATI".

Then perhaps you would like to pick up on that and show us what you have learnt from all the disparate bits and pieces of information that you have so far posted. For example, you posted links to three books earlier, books that I have read, and one of which I have on a shelf just above my head here...what did you learn from those books about the 'Female Illuminati'?

You started this thread, it is up to you to take the lead here...

reply to post by KilgoreTrout


Yes, and thank you for your opinion on how I am doing in my thread.





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I will return soon to bring the rest to this thread. I have a few videos that I am trying to get to download here, and some more books. I have written the author and maker of the videos that I have presented to see if he can email his newer work.

Peace, NRE.

I understand what you are trying to say but I cannot say I completely agree. Yes behind every great man is a great woman but she is not necessarily in control. Women have a great deal in raising and forming these malleable men as they grew but when they are grown aside from their own inert agenda they operate solely on their own. I may be wrong but it's just a thought.

Originally posted by polarwarrior

Originally posted by DeadSeraph
The OP is about women in the "Illuminati" or to a broader extent, their role in secret societies, occult practice, etc.

Yes, but it was incredibly sexist to say that smart, liberated women are satanists.

Originally posted by DeadSeraph
It actually has nothing to do with the Christian stance on the role of women in the family.

Satan is from the abrahamic religions, of which the most predominant on ATS and in America is christianity. I could edit my original statement to include islam and judaism.

Satan IS indeed related to christianity, if you can't see that then I think you need to read the bible again.

Also christians have had an appalling past when it comes to womens lib, and the sexist statements in the OP have been espoused by christians for centuries. Sexism is built into the religion, and liberated women have been called satanists long before the internet ever existed. The part I originally quoted is so typical of that type of christian sexism, or what I would call... excrement.

edit on 26/6/13 by polarwarrior because: (no reason given)

I apologize for the late reply but I've been without my PC for awhile and just recently managed to set it back up.

The irony in all of this, is that you (again) have completely missed WHY I called you out. The OP never said that liberated women were satanic. The quote that ended up getting your knickers in a knot was straight from a SATANIST WEBSITE. You want to drag Christianity into the thread so you can vent your own personal vendettas when it wasn't mentioned in any context in the OP. You claim Satan is a Christian concept, and while that statement is flawed beyond measure, it's beyond the topic of this thread to explain to you why that is so.

So I will reiterate for you: THE QUOTE WAS FROM A FEMALE SATANIST.

reply to post by KilgoreTrout


Hey I tried sending you a private message, but I guess you can't. I just really wanted to say thank you so very much for your reply two weeks ago on my article that I posted in the forums! You really provided me with some amazing feedback that I loved reading! You were absolutely right, I did have to "scratch a little deeper" which was very timely advice as I've been developing an ebook titled "Illuminati Secret Symbols Revealed" where I try to go as far into this subject as I possibly can. As a "preface" to the ebook I added a section where I try to answer the exact question you asked "If it is such a secret, why is it everywhere?" along with a few others to set the tone. I've been working on it for a while now, and as I'm nearing the end finally I was wondering if you had any time if you'd might be interested in checking it out and providing me with your thoughts on it. I'd be very appreciative, and hopefully I've been able to offer my insight on these topics in a way that you would find it interesting too, as you probably know a lot more about this stuff than others. Just let me know and I can send you a copy... the same goes for other people that may read this that might be interested... the best way to reach me is at: wisdomsquare25@gmail(dot)com. My name is David by the way. Really, thanks again for your comment!

reply to post by WisdomSquare


I'm happy to have a read.

I will be in touch early next week.

All the best.

It seems like you have a lot of very head strong people... This being the leak, i would have to say that i think what we are all going to need are a lot of open minded optimists... I think that for some of you that this word might prove as a useful guide in the right direction... Apsara. She is the orical, the woman with an eclipse moon in one eye and a snake eye in the other or so it appears in photos... She is the one that has stars chase her at night, and clouds that darken in formation during the day... She has one eye that is dilated and one eye that is constricted, indicating that she has neurological damage. She is a Dame, a joker. Her birthday was on the 9 of may (for those of u that are interested look at what happened 5/9/13), the same as the eclispe. She is a philosophist... Her friends would say she is one of the most intelligent, and also most kind hearted. Surrounded by a multitude of people in the little area that she calls home, she knows too many people, and this is where the problem starts. This spirit has been in history repeatedly through out time... names that are hers are poitier and hermann... Look at the definition for these names... She is divorced and only 25 at this present day. She has 4 children, and is so greatful to god to have them... She knows every single meaning in the song stairway to heaven, and is quite creative when it comes to music. She never watches tv, she helps to those that she sees need it. A loving person to say the least... U make this person u talk about seem to be a horrible person... They are deities... She dosnt claim to be god, she knows shes of god... simple as that... believe me, dont... sometimes its right underneath your nose... Scary is you know, there is not an answer for every question, and there are a still a lot that i ask, but believe me this womans task is to better the world... Not destroy it. Antichrist- Anti-government- anarchy- archangel- death to system- hierarchy... Hopefully this has enlightened u... Have a nice day. Call me crazy, yea they do that, at least intel they find out im right...

Look i like CIAGypsy but from my ats chats with her not anything else she seems to be what i guess the mainstream people on here would call a bloodline who had money her whole life, she's a royal in a sense i get that......

However i even told her at this point i see her kind of as the character the Scarlet Witch at the end of Captain America the Winter Solider, it is in my hope that she wakes up and joins metaphoricaly speaking the Avenger's like the Scarlet Witch does in the movies and leaves aspects of her branch behind AKA Hydra per say.........

One could only hope........

a reply to: wehavenoclue

agreed

Everyone is special in the way that we all have our own unique purpose imo--now some of those things might involve flashy gifts whereas others are more subtle--but in the end we are equally human and equally important/unimportant.

Life isn't about being important and sooper kewl--it is about self-actualization and reaching integrity at the end of ones life v. despair. Maslow ftw

& even more importantly:



I wouldn't doubt the existence of a female I.O. but why are the illuminate b-bad mmkay? or well, how are they any worse than you or me on this forum seeking knowledge? Are these enlightened people also the shadow government? or are they just a group of like-minded people like mensa? i don't know enough about the topic, and I hear what you're saying about women pulling the strings from behind the scenes but...for some reason I'm not feeling it. Perhaps it's just a red herring.


a reply to: DeadSeraph
star for that epic rebuttal.

a reply to: rukia

If Darth (Seraphaem) takes my side guess what we might all keel over or maybe not........

Here is what i am saying go watch The Winter Solider the group Hydra would you trust and this is what the Secret Government is a bunch of people who took Adolf Hitlers beliefs and torture people to get what they want i do hope you say no......

There not good point blank you can't paint a rose colored picture of it, the true Illuminati were thinkers nothing wrong with a group of people like that this is not what were dealing with this group took aspects of what they were and perverted it........