The Zimmerman Trial

O'Mara is goin to give a very strong speach, im sure of that, cant wait to hear it

Originally posted by FlyersFan

:shk: Maybe that was your experience. But mind was very different. And the three other people I know who had so-called 'mild' concussions all still have symptoms from them ... YEARS LATER.

You said that at the very least concussion is life altering. This is medically untrue.

So someone is just supposed to lay there and get their head bashed in because they might not die or might not get a bad head injury???

Oh man. Did I say that?

Oh please ... :shk: OF COURSE Zimmerman could have gotten a bad head injury or even died. That IS the purpose of continually bashing someones head into the sidewalk. Ya' know?

You have no way of knowing Martin's intent, so stop pretending that you do. And as you admit, he may have got a bad head injury, he may have died - but I reiterate MARTIN IS DEAD. We know about this - it happened. In the other scenario a range of things - as you admit - are possible, and they include NOBODY IS DEAD.

And yet you just claimed that you thought Martin wouldn't have beaten Zimmerman to death. YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

But you do, right?

Look, I am simply indisputably right here:

what happened - one dead guy, one in court
what could have happened without gun - both fine; one hurt; both hurt; one dead.

Surely you can see that within the spread of possibilities the latter contains more likelihood of a favourable outcome?

He didn't 'suddenly' do anything. He got into MANY fights. So many that the girl on the phone didn't get concerned when she heard Martin getting into another fight on the other end of the phone call. That's not normal, upstanding, behavior. It's violent.

So he had beaten people to death before? If not, perhaps you can explain why a 17 year old would suddenly go that far. As I say, it's pretty unlikely, no matter how much he went on facebook pretending to be a gangster.

SO WHAT? That doesn't excuse him being violent. That doesn't excuse him doing drugs. That doesn't excuse him when he tried to bash Zimmermans head in. That is what he was doing .. bashing it repeatedly against the rock. The purpose of continually bashing someones head into the cement is to squash the head. It's not exactly a friendly thing to do, ya' know?

You think that once someone is 17 their course in life is set, and that anything they say is likely to be as measured and truthful as the sort of stuff a 37 year old says about themselves? I doubt it.

And I'm not saying it excuses him. But I am saying that his age is a mitigating factor, both in his choices and in the way he comports himself on social media and the like.

You admit you don't know who started the fight. I'm interested by this, because you seem to think that Martin's method of beating on Zimmerman was unsanctionable. But surely if Zimmerman attacked Martin - as you say might be the case - then Martin's actions are as excusable as Zimmerman's shot, are they not?

So, logically, you can't really use the severity or otherwise of the action as a reason why he deserved to be shot.

Zimmermans charges were dropped. He did nothing wrong. What part of that don't you understand? Martin was a self professed gansta and he fully admitted doing drugs and he was proud of getting into fights. MAJOR DIFFERENCE.

Yes. One was arrested and the other was boasting on facebook. One has an actual record of run-ins with police, the other doesn't.

We don't know who started the fight. Whoever did is the perp. SInce we don't know who started the fight, then it has to be 'not guilty'. It's just that simple.

Not what I asked.

I often avoid these mega threads because they do tend to become SUCH a wash of various topics and aspects of a story, it's a challenge to find any one out of the bunch. However, this one strikes me as SO wrong, I have to comment on the attempt to change charges!

Prosecutors began their closing arguments after the judge presiding over the trial ruled that jurors can consider the lesser charge of manslaughter, but she denied a request for the jury also to consider third-degree murder after a defense attorney called the proposal "outrageous."

Prosecutor Richard Mantei argued that instructions for third-degree murder should be included on the premise that Zimmerman committed child abuse when he fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin because Martin was underage.

Source

Are they kidding for trying this? Sadly, of course, no...they aren't. They really DID try and shoehorn a totally unrelated and out of place charge into this because they can see their case on current charges is weak and ineffectual.

What MORONS... I've personally felt from the start that Zimmerman probably shouldn't have walked 100% clean on this, no matter what. He was pursuing, which under general CCW laws and standards, equals provocation even if only a small bit. That negates the defense defense...at least it ought to. Yet, the last minute isn't the time for this correction ...if a correction THIS silly charge could even have been called.

I mean, imagine it....If the prosecution could just go around trying people ...seeing how the case went on both sides..and THEN adjusting charge sheets to fit the most likely outcome a Jury will vote based on the record of how the case played out? We would *ALL* end up going to prison on SOMETHING if we ended up in a court room for ANYTHING. Even a shoplifting charge could be amended at the last minute to some stupid thing good for conviction at the end ...but ridiculous to have suggested when charges were formed and the case originally taken to court.

The prosecution can amend charges if they get a Mistrial ...otherwise, they made this rotten and half constructed bed. They can now sleep in it for whatever the outcome may be. It reminds me of that walking, talking screw up Marsha Clark and OJ. You had to WORK to lose that case...but some prosecutors do manage...and this one was never that clear anyway.

The prosecutor is a silver tonged devil that isn't interested in justice or truth he only wants to win a high profile case to make points to further his career.

Feelings nothing more than feeeeelings.

Prosection: "She (Rachel) could have embellished, or LIED..."

WHAT??

What trial is he talking talking about?? 90% of her testimony was a LIE, to include her name and age.

Originally posted by beatbox


Why are we letting White America dictate to us what is and what is not acceptable behavior of our young black youth?

Try morals? Try ethics? Right and wrong are not racial... You gave away your racism with this statement clearly and beyond a shadow of any doubt.

Are you really defending bad behavior (regardless of color)? Really?

Are you saying that the state of black america, particularly the youths, is just fine and dandy?

Are you prepared to have an honest and frank discussion of the problems in black america? What about white america? How about latino america?

Why cant we just be Americans without tossing in the descriptives?

the defense closing isn't tell tomorrow correct? that is gonna be great when he gets up and just schools this idiot prosecutor,from what i saw today in closing was a lot of emotional rhetoric and a bunch of really stupid things to say

Originally posted by JuniorDisco
You said that at the very least concussion is life altering. This is medically untrue.

WRONG. My life and the lives of everyone I know who has had a concussion has had their health situations changed. Don't even try to tell me that concussions don't matter. They most certainly do.

You have no way of knowing Martin's intent, so stop pretending that you do.

So when Martin was repeatedly bashing Zimemrmans head into the cement .. he wasn't trying to split it open like a coconut? That wasn't his intent. He was just trying to make friends or something. Right .....

I think I hear a violin playing....

behind the prosecutor...

Really he just put his own words in a MLK quote about Rachel Janteal. And he basically called her stupid by politely saying, she may not be very educated.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Are they kidding for trying this?

They've obviously got no case so they are trying to salvage their careers.
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NOTES ON THE CLOSING STATEMENT ...

Prosecutor just tried to say it was 'ill will and hatred' for ZImmerman to be a Neighborhood Watch.

Prosecutor just brought in Zimmermans cuss words. But of course failed to state that the cuss words were said in normal tone and weren't in anger .. they were used like a lot of people use them ... as common nouns and verbs.

So far, he hasn't shown Zimmerman doing anything illegal ... it's just a lot of Zimmerman bashing ...

This is a joke.......

Originally posted by seabag


Violent crime in US happens primarily in heavily populated urban areas. Most of those areas are gun free zones. That tells me the less guns in the hands of law abiding citizens the more violent crime against them. Let's arm the citizens of Chicago and find out....

By the way, violent crime in US has been steadily decreasing for years in US.

edit on 11-7-2013 by seabag because: (no reason given)

So if law-abiding Chicagoans had guns they could live in a city as safe as, say, Oakland? Nice!

Violent crime has been decreasing pretty much everywhere. It's just that you guys seem to love shooting each other a lot.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Concussions are life altering. Look at the new NFL rules from the past few years because aging players suffer from post concussion injuries. Those injuries are life long and permanent.

Trying to downplay someones head being smashed into concrete is ludicrous. Try living with a damaged brain, or live without one... wait...

legalinsurrection.com... update with audio playing from a souce i cant find on the page. i guess the child abuse charge wont stick as another member pointed out but they sure tried hard to include it but the judge denied the request just figured id put it out there again in case any one didnt see it

bostinno.streetwise.co... live stream for those that want it

Click here for more information.

Now the prosecutor is bringing in the woman 'eyewitness' who is totally discredited.
The woman who said she saw the big man on top and that the voice calling for help
was a boys voice. The FACTS are that she couldn't see anything except shadows
in the darkness and she got the number of gunshots wrong. It wasn't 'pop,pop,pop'
like she said ... it was only one shot.

I don't know how these prosecutors can sleep at night.

They are trying everything they can to put an innocent person in jail in order to
save their careers.

No wonder there are so many jokes about lawyers in hell .....

Well he has to play on emotions because the facts are not in his favor.

The defense goes last and will hopefully remind them of all the FACTS.

Originally posted by TKDRL
This is a joke.......

He's telling lies ... and he's misleading ... and he's doing it with a tear in his eye and a catch in his throat. He has given no information about Zimmerman breaking any laws. All we are getting is his mocking voice and emotion. He's got nothing.

Originally posted by Grimpachi
The defense goes last and will hopefully remind them of all the FACTS.

The defense goes next ... but not last. The prosecution gets another chance after the defense.
They get a kind of rebuttal after the defense. Then the jury gets to deliberate.
So the last thing they'll hear is the prosecutions emotional pleas instead of facts.