Why do people still believe that UFO's are alien?

reply to post by CJCrawley


Yes, I think most of us know about our own solar system. We were talking about other galaxies by the way.
Most of us agreed that there is intelligent life out there, the real question is whether they have been visiting or not.

Edit: no, you didn't close the case regarding origins of UFO's by studying about the Goldilocks zone

reply to post by peashooter


I don't know what private conversation you were having, but I was addressing the topic of the thread.

I could care less if there is life elsewhere in the galaxy (still less in other galaxies), it's too far away.

If you think not, let's hear your theory.

A word of warning though: if it's too farfetched, I might laugh.

reply to post by CJCrawley


Life in another galaxy is too far away? For us humans? Yes I agree, that only applies to our shallow technological knowledge. Someone has already posted a similar comment in the first page, and I have given my reply to that.

If you state that another galaxy is too far away for any other intelligent life forms, then you are being ignorant. As I have said from earlier posts, we don't know anything about other life forms, they could be millions of years old.

Please read the thread before posting similar comments.

reply to post by Jefferton


If they have made it here then they are not travelling through intervening space at sub-light speeds to begin with, and therefore have developed some sort of warp-drive / anti-gravity space-folding or distorting technology meaning that technically they don't "travel" here at all, but just pop into our local space from theirs, in which case they could just as easily be coming from another galaxy as from within our own, because, from the research that I've done into what makes for a good host planet on which to evolve, earth-like worlds are definitely not "a dime a dozen", which is why if they are here, that they're here, because such worlds are unique, rare, and very interesting.

The one about the Japanese Airline Pilot and crew got me. If true, which it appears to be, then they HAVE been here, doesn't matter how many false reports or hoax photos there've been, many to muddy the waters I'm sure ala Project Bluebook.


In following that plane, it appears like they were perhaps contemplating an abduction or something, or were at a loss as to why the plane couldn't... play along.. maybe they were new arrivals..?

Twice the size of a US Aircraft Carrier.. whoa!

And three separate, independent sightings, including military plus ground radar identification, in the first case more than one from two ground radars. It's got me convinced and contrary to popular belief I do not accept such things blindly or at face value..


P.S. If there is such a thing as reincarnation, and the technology is real (which it would have to be) then I would LOVE to some day captain or pilot such a ship from Earth to another world. However as a world population, we would really have to get our proverbial # together just to break the quarantine and even then it would probably be under exo-planetary "naval" escort. I figure it will be at least a thousand lifetimes to get there..

In fact, if the info is true about US government contact and aliens working in Dreamworld ("working"... ha, I wonder how much they get paid and what they eat and enjoy for leisure time?) then I'll bet you dollars to donuts that there's been a "student exchange program" whereby there may be, even as we speak, human beings on other worlds. It would make for quite the "debrief" upon their return would it not?

Let's just hope that "To Serve Man" isn't a cookbook!

reply to post by LordDerpingtonSmythe


Lol, it is just the astonishment and evidence combined that make it interesting just as anything else would be interesting to anybody.

I believe the number of years Michio Kaku, Friedman, and others give for the greys are at least 1 million years ahead of us.

Originally posted by greyer
reply to post by LordDerpingtonSmythe

 

I believe the number of years Michio Kaku, Friedman, and others give for the greys are at least 1 million years ahead of us.

Technologically.

Morphologically, where it may be said within the context of a non-local, holographic universe and cosmic evolutionary framework, that "the last shall be first and the first, last" mankind may be not only the best looking but the the most "spirit-filled" or ensouled, personally and individually, let's not assume that the "new kids on the block" don't or cannot manifest some serious improvements, at least potentially..


er.. maybe not..

Sometimes I like to entertain the notion that E.T's are just us from the future coming back. And then my brain explodes promptly thereafter.

reply to post by Phage


Phage i see you posts in these types of threads alot and im curious do you or do you not believe that Other intelligences are visiting our planet . I do understand that there is so much BS out there its very easy to point towards one of these stories and debunk . However there are more then enough videos , pictures and stories told by very credible people . I point towards WW2 and Foo Fighters , the number of highly trained American service men who saw these orbs should be enough to get any reasonable person to believe something is going on . Phage im not trying to start a fight or speak against you on the contrary i enjoy your posts as you try to pull validity from stories ..Be well.

What I saw one night (with friends and strangers) was not earth technology. And yet, it was technology!

Nobody can take that from me.

So there!

Nyah, nyah

I'd say UFOs are not Extraterrestrial. Period.

What they are is too unpopular to even mention. When you die you'll figure it out.

reply to post by essanance


I hope you're ready for what's coming! haha no offense Phage.

Pardon me for sounding like a broken record but I have showed him 1300+ sightings over 80 years by pilots both military and private and he responds by saying most of them are probably misidentification or caused by weather phenomenon.

As well as cases where radar clearly confirms the unidentified crafts, even forcing pilots to make evasive maneuvers, but he responded with a comment talking about how radar can be tricked/jammed.

The only evidence that will convince him, like he said in the other thread, is if a UFO hovered above him.
(Another member posted in this thread an event which hundreds of people witnessed the same UFO, but he hasn't responded to that)

The sightings have made people curious/worried enough to have a citizens hearing over it, so you know something is up.

Some people need to see UFO's first hand, or else will remain skeptical about any sightings others have, no matter how many there are.

Face it people, there are unidentified flying objects, not necessarily piloted by alien beings, but definitely something flying in our air space.

The first recorded UFO sighting that I am aware of was when Elijah was taken up by God . Yes by God . This was recorded in 2nd Kings chapter 2 verse 11 . The Fiery Chariot took Elijah up . The people who witnessed it hunted for Elijah's body for days not sure what happened .

As far as that ties the Bible , God the Creator and life on earth no one knows .But it would answer a lot of questions .

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by sulaw

 

Because you can't disprove that they don't exist.

Interesting double negative there. Or is it triple? But I think I get your point.

Nor can you disprove the existence of unicorns or leprechauns.

edit on 6/10/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Are there any examples of unicorns or leprechauns existing? No, there are not. Are there any examples of life forming around a star? Yes, and that example is life on Earth; Earth being a planet that revolves around the Sun, which is a star, a G-type star, GV2 in particular, with a relatively large amount of stars having a similar spectral classification.

Quite a few other stars also have a similar composition, mass, and radius, to the Sun, which is a significant part in creating Earth-like planets. So now, not only do we have life on Earth as an example for the theory of extraterrestrial life, we also have many stars similar to our parent star as a strong basis for the theory of other life in the Universe.

I'm sure you know that the Sun was an important part in creating the Solar System, as well as the Earth, thus for a planet to have a parent star similar to the Sun, is a large part in the creation of Earth-like planets, as well as star systems similar to ours.

Your argument does not apply to the theory of other life existing in the universe, as an example of that already exists, thus giving a higher chance of something similar existing, while the other theory, which is of "unicorns and leprechauns" existing, does not have an example, thus there nothing to increase the likelihood, as well as permit theorizing, to a certain degree of certainty, that the latter exists.

UFO abductees stories illustrate how alien the UFOs are.

Maybe that is why people still believe.

reply to post by Jefferton


It is possible many types of entity are some form of earthlings but hard to believe 57 varieties can live here with out some kind of internal struggle. Perhaps some unusual life forms are terrestrial ocean dwellers who come and go? I believe it because there are so many credible witnesses and so many reports. I don't need to see for myself and truth be told I think I'd have a heart attack so just as well they don't reveal themselves to me!

I am of the opinion that they are not an "alien" phenomenon and my personal opinion is that they would be interdimensional beings at best.

Some things to note about the idea of aliens to me are the major inconsistencies with the design of the craft. I mean we have the classic cigar shapes, disc, triangles, orbs etc. Then you have the supposed races manning these craft nordics, grays, reptilians, insectoids (haha). Sure does make earth seem like a busy place. These sightings change over time. Earlier on nordics were pretty common and now grays or reptilians seem to be the norm. Seems that the aliens and craft change according to our perceptions of what aliens are like.

If we accept the fact that a race develops technology to get here and happens to find where here is. Then we have to accept that multiple races have done so according to the sightings. Then we have to accept they come all this way to terrorize people and cattle in macabre surely unscientific events taking people from their beds and following them for years to no logical conclusion. This is just stacking the odds incredibly high against this happening.

That said there are unexplained sightings and footage/photos that exist but to me this indicates either military involvement as in these are all military advances and operations or we have interdimensional shape shifting beings who prey on people and attempt to make us believe they are from another planet. These just seem the most plausible ideas to me.

/queue Pleiadian fleets and galactic federation garbage from the overzealous Star Trek crowd.

Why do people say that UFO's are alien?

Because they have no idea what UFO means. Ask anyone what a UFO is, and they will say ET.

A UFO could be a plane one cannot name...

A UFO could be under sea with luminescence that one cannot name. Therefor it is a UFO.. Or, in these terms. A UWFO.

Originally posted by Dominar
I believe that there is definitely life out there, intelligent life... I also believe that most of the UFO sightings are probably our own technology that is being kept away from the public because it would remove the stranglehold that the energy companies have on us.

When I used to hear "UFO", I automatically thought of Aliens like some sort of Pavlovian response to the term. I'm not sure, but there seems to be some sort of agenda to constantly link UFOs to Aliens in the media and entertainment...

This right here is exactly why I lean toward UFOs *not* being alien, at least not as in "beings from another physical planet." I also used to believe the same thing, and likely for the same reasons (entertainment media, etc.) There just seems to be far too much effort put into linking the two.

I'm not convinced of anything myself when it comes to UFOs, but I do have a couple of things I feel a reasonable degree of confidence in; well, reasonable degree as far as "The UFO Question" goes. First, i'm inclined to believe that "they" have been on/in/around Earth for a very long time. I believe that many mythologies of the past and present are simply different knterpretstions of the same phenomenon. Angels/Demons in Biblical days, various stories of beings/Gods/lightz TVh,hg,, etc. In the sky in more ancient history, then, shortly after WWII, they became alien "flying saucers, and finallllll,,mmm, in this age of incredible breakthroughs in physics, quantum physics epecially, we've got a growing chorus of folks going with "interdimentionsl beings." ieuu yt just seems as though many of these accounts throughout history are either perceived or interpreted as something that "fits" for the current time.

reply to post by peashooter

Please read the thread before posting similar comments.

I've read it.

It's the usual grandiose wishful thinking I'm accustomed to.

Unprovable and undisprovable by equal measure.

There is no evidence I am ware of that indicates mankind has been visited by alien spacecraft.

That is wishful thinking.

But you are free to prove me wrong....an unenviable task, but that is your right and privilege.

BTW I only posted the comment because you replied to mine. Touché.

Regarding UFOs and the snakepit that is UFOlogy there is one person I give slightly more credence to.

He is a scientist and appears to not earn his living from being a charlatan, but a real scientist, and his career does not just involve the study of UFOs. He even seems to have used a scientific methodology (shock, horror) in studying the phenomena.

Vallee of course, and he has suggested that there's often an aura of the paranormal around sightings, encounters, and alleged abductions. Ultimately he states that we don't know, and may never know as these 'phenomena' possibly exist outside our dimension and outside of our comprehension.