Why do people still believe that UFO's are alien?

The funny part about the whole thing is that we are seemingly programmed to reject the Nazi UFO hypothesis in knee-jerk illogical fashion. People simply roll their eyes because it "sounds really corny/silly/cheesy". Maybe that's a coincidence but it sure seems intentional because there is some seriously dope info in that topic that reveals a ton of pertinent answers to all sorts of questions in topics that seem on the surface to have nothing to do with Nazis or UFOs.

I am not suggesting that aliens do not exist, nor am I suggesting they do not visit Earth, because I don't have any evidence aside of anecdotes to assert such a thing (but I would assert they do visit if I were to claim such). However with this Nazi UFO topic, we do have a crap load of verified facts that haven't been successfully challenged academically. Granted due to the scope of the topic and it's nature, we also have a crap load of fabrications or half-truths or poorly written articles from ignorance or even speculation masquerading as a purported fact (aka rumor).

If you Google Nazi UFOs and sort by images, you get a lot of paintings or 3d artwork. And then you find some of these alleged black and white photos which many of them have not been debunked, while many others have been shown to be fakes (but usually it's really easy to eyeball fakes when you are accustomed to German photography of the period).

The topic is notoriously difficult to investigate even among conspiracy topic standards, probably one of the more complex and sophisticated sets of allegations you will ever have to wrap your mind around. A lot of it's fake obviously but some of it appears very probable and real, a literal minefield for the mind.

Granted for years I rejected the notion as silly, but once I came to terms with the possibility and overcame my preconceived notions of what I expect, I slowly became more interested and open to the topics.

I have thus spent many years looking into all sorts of aspects of this off and on, out of pure curiosity because I honestly want to know what is going on. And as time progresses and the information I have collected about everything (all topics) merges into a synergy in my mind, this Nazi UFO proposition looks like it has a ton of promise.

One really interesting factor in this research is that it is done almost entirely through reading books and reading tons of government documents. By any other topic's standards of research, this is considered legitimate and a reasonable academic way to conduct investigation.

However due to our "programming/indoctrination", investigating Nazi UFO topics in any scope is essentially considered bizarre and strange by most. I do take it seriously though and if anyone wants help or wants to know anything ask me and if I don't know I bet I know where to find out. I could go on about this stuff for days without end. Hahaha

As much as I do care about the UFO and Alien topic but...

Why is this still on the first page of ATS if it's not important?

And why there is still not the topic on the first page about Edward Snowden, really? Why?

You Americans still don't care about your own constitution, do you?

I expect this posting of mine deleted by Mods anyway.

Okay... the notion of an alien is what Swiss psychologist called an "archetype". This is more like a visual metaphor from the imagination that has been created by the modern world - the aliens. In old days they said elves or fairies - and in fact, still many cultures worldwide would say a spirit being.

Which is what I want to suggest. The possibility that the phenomenon itself is spiritual - not in the biblical sense of angels and demons, but of disincarnate intelligences. A type of lifeform in another dimension, something that often times cannot even be seen by the human eye - beyond the spectrum of light i.e. ultraviolet. Shamans worldwide claim to interact with spiritual beings, but only when they are in an altered state of consciousness, like in a dream. Aliens do not have to be physical creatures in nuts and bolts metal ships. They can be fields of energy or beings that exist almost as enigmatically as photons or something of that sort.

The obsessive desire to lump everything into either black or white categories of thought is called a "thinking error" in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. It's either us or it is aliens. Well, no wonder you have "lost your faith" - you have such a narrow view of reality in the first place.

Thinking that they are aliens and demanding government to disclose this truth is totally missing the point...

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What you saw was not an alien craft... That Orb was a light being...

Originally posted by corsair00
Okay... the notion of an alien is what Swiss psychologist called an "archetype". This is more like a visual metaphor from the imagination that has been created by the modern world - the aliens.

Okay.. I am Swiss, can you please give me a source where Swiss psychologists called aliens an "archetype"? I'm really eager to know. Be careful... I'm Swiss

And you Americans still don't care about your own constitution, do you?

my 2cents :
I did - in fact - see what I consider to be an alien flying machine - not large enough to hold a typical human pilot - only about 3-4 ft at it's thickest center - 50ft. in diameter. When it turned it simply moved in a different direction.

The triangular looking craft are ours.

both have high speed abilities -using anti gravity - or rather (more-n-likely) push pull.

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UFO's/Aliens are demons from the pits of Hell. Why do you think they spread New Age Philosophy? It's to lead people from Christ.

Originally posted by LordDerpingtonSmythe
Learning the incredible distances between us and even our nearest neighbour stars (even the sun)
made me understand at a young age that, even if aliens existed beyond earth, the chances of them
travelling to earth are slim to none.

Speculation beyond this point, is a pointless waste of my energy.

honestly, how can you be that ignorant and closed minded? many years ago, people like like you said with absolute certainly 'there is no way the earth can be round' or 'no way can the earth revolve around the sun'. it's people like you that keep the rest of the our world from evolving to the next stage, because you just can't fathom how something you don't understand can be true. why are you even on a website that pushes people to 'deny ignorance' when that is precisely what you are doing? yet i bet you're religious and believe in a mythical 'supreme being' that you have no evidence ever existed. man i really hate what this site has become.

Originally posted by Jefferton
First serious post.

So many people believe this to be true. They can't understand why others don't believe.

Is there even on scrap of evidence to prove it? I wanted to believe for so long. But over the years the fakes have killed my belief. How do you still believe??

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I used to believe in UFO's as well. The more and more research I did the more and more I saw that UFO's if they are anything are more likely to be aircraft that are human made from this earth. I believe that UFO/Alien propagation is a perpetuation of ignorance on those who are gullible to believe such things perpetuated by our own government as a means of disinformation in order to mask the true nature of these things (Top secret aircraft/top secret drones). I have logically thought about an extra terrestrial being coming to earth (don't get me wrong I still believe in the POSSIBITY of an intelligent life out there) and have concluded that if there was a being that could travel intergalactic distances (that technology alone would warrant race of beings FAR superior to what technologies we posses today) then their means of observation of us would be equally superior. They could watch us without us knowing they were even there - Think "Nano Machines"

As for why people choose to believe in UFO's without substantial supporting evidence is the same reason I think people believe in Jesus, God, Allah, and all other manner of mythological deities. They know in their hearts that these things can never be proved and therefore bias their own opinion on false realities to make their ego's/lives more fulfilling. I think people of this caliber have a hard time dealing with "reality" and therefore choose to create their own version of what reality is to them. I am no psychologist but I have pondered this question many many times.

I too used to believe in UFO's, God's and all other manner of fairy tales. However once I started studying science, physics, etc. My eyes were opened to a new form of tangible explanation. Is it far too easy to blame the unknown on the unknown. If that makes sense.

Originally posted by TheLieWeLive
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Of course most UFO's are just that, unidentifiable.

If you had witnessed the Orb that I did and also observed how it vanished right before a friend and myself you too would lean toward alien technology.
Although I can't 100% say it was in fact Alien, but if it's not then the Governments have some explaining to do.

Jumping in late, but I have to agree with you.
If the Gov has some of the things I have seen, orbs included,
then we have some kickass technology that we don't know about yet.

Here is something similar to what I saw one night while camping:
The one recorded here is much slower than what I saw, however, as far as I know, we have nothing that can do these turns in space like this. At least back in 97 we didn't and still don't as far as I know, but we could have.
(I knew I was going to see something when I went camping which makes it even more odd to me, because I have never before or since seen one)

Why do people still believe that UFO's are alien?

Why do people still believe that they are not?
UFOs .. unidentified ... some could be our own test aircraft ... some could be from off world.
The Drake Equation proves mathematically that life other than our own on Earth probably exists.
So those that believe that UFOs could be alien .. are just being scientifically logical. IMHO

I realise this is just a download from youtube, but see how many UFO craft you can count going past the space shuttle before they move the camera in this clip...

UFO's could be:

Trans-dimensional beings, vehicles, animals or natural phenomenon from other dimensions.

Time machines-greys might be far from the future, when the environment is so toxic we have stopped being human. This is why they are interested in reproductive systems;"abductees" report that their eggs or uteruses were stolen. The greys are trying to genetically engineer themselves back to being human.

Spacecraft that use some type of space-folding mechanism or wormhole to overcome the "faster is heavier" paradox.

Government aircraft.

Demons/Angels.

Souls/ghosts.

Mass hallucination.

Swamp gas/weather balloons/radar glitches/sun dogs.

Really, it doesn't matter. A race smart enough to cross the seas of space isn't going to bother with us, and if they did, revealing it would destroy society as we know it.

Oops! My upload didn't work here is the link...youtu.be...

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There are things I have seen that gives me my belief in extra terrestrial energies / beings etc entering our solar system / atmosphere / world / consciousness were / are not of human origin, the energies acted far beyond the capacity of humanity or human science, even if it were new science, it isn't humanly possible, it just isn't, unless one thinks of the premise of 'aliens' as being 'advanced humans' which I strongly believe aren't. I believe there is a far more powerful manifestation of creation, that is able to physically and non physically interact with and control humanity, whether it is just on an individual basis such as in abductions or en masse remains to be seen.

If you haven't experienced such things, skepticism is expected, sorry, but it's true, I was skeptical until I had this realisation and opened my mind to the truth of certain events that truly happened to me and witnessed by others at least twice.

I do not want to discuss it on ATS, or anywhere really anymore, because the level of ignorance from some people goes beyond the levels of acceptability and to be honest I have better things to do than arguing against those that are blinkered to the factual realities of the universe and the likelihood of other intelligent life forms / energies.

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yet i bet you're religious and believe in a mythical 'supreme being' that you have no evidence ever existed. man i really hate what this site has become.

I have evidence of the supreme one. How can you say :

how can you be that ignorant and closed minded?

...on the one hand (or subject) while at the same time reject another. Some might say to that ;

it's people like you that keep the rest of the our world from evolving to the next stage, because you just can't fathom how something you don't understand can be true.

Firstly, I cannot believe this thread has so many stars... (really guys?)

'How do you believe, as there is no proof?'

Quite possibly the dumbest question I have heard asked on ATS (that has been received this positively at least).
Please understand that believing something, and knowing something are very different things. Proof is often required to KNOW something, but never to believe.

So many believe in God -- 'How do they believe, as there is no proof?'
The truth is that they don't require proof, much like my young daughter doesn't need any to beleive in santa claus or the tooth fairy.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying believing in Aliens is like believing in Santa, because I believe without a shadow of a doubt, that Aliens are indeed here on earth, be that as visitors from another world or possibly even as residents of Earth.

Whilst it is not exactly the 'proof' you deem so necessary, I have sighted things with my own eyes that to me, confirms my beliefs about UFO's and Aliens as being correct.
To me, seeing an unidentifiable craft moving at breakneck speeds, even instantly changing directions at said speeds, and otherwise defying all the laws of physics as we understand them, is all the 'proof' I personally need. Also after my sighting, I have researched just a fraction of the massive amounts of evidence that actually is out there (if you care to look for it) rather than taking the stance of 'there is no proof so it's bull'...

I am not crazy, and I know what I have seen. Aliens do exist, and they are here on Earth.

I think before too long though you will likely get what it is you need to believe again - Something irrefutable.

Until then I will be standing by, ready with the 'I told you so'

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Is there even on scrap of evidence to prove it? I wanted to believe for so long. But over the years the fakes have killed my belief. How do you still believe??

There is a lot of evidence to suggest that UFOs are more than flares, Chinese lanterns, swamp gas, temperature inversions, etc. Eye witness reports from pilots, former astronauts and others of note say that there is something as yet unknown going on. Now, whether they are aliens or angels/demons or lifeforms that exist in the upper atmosphere (space trout) or time travelers... or something we just have not yet considered, is still unsecured.

Do we turn away from unknowns simply because we don't have all the answers or do we keep looking, keep thinking?

That's up to the individual. How anyone handles the evidence, is entirely up to them.

Originally posted by Jefferton
First serious post.

So many people believe this to be true. They can't understand why others don't believe.

Is there even on scrap of evidence to prove it? I wanted to believe for so long. But over the years the fakes have killed my belief. How do you still believe??

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If humans are the most intelligent life form, then the universe needs another big bang and start over!

Originally posted by Bearack

Originally posted by Jefferton
First serious post.

So many people believe this to be true. They can't understand why others don't believe.

Is there even on scrap of evidence to prove it? I wanted to believe for so long. But over the years the fakes have killed my belief. How do you still believe??

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If humans are the most intelligent life form, then the universe needs another big bang and start over!

After the this thread, I think I am with you on that one!

Luckily, we aren't.