Woman Fatally Shot by Police at Cosco Handing Out Pizza Samples.

So I guess shooting her in the leg would be out of the question eh?

Some sort of non-lethal projectile, a tranquilizer, I know cops don't carry these but you know... out of the question... no.. can't even shoot someone in the foot, arm etc... no, right in the face, chest.

That's what I really really don't get about the cops use of extreme force. There's other ways to stop someone other than murder.

reply to post by roadgravel


Thats sickening, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE........none at all.
If your an officer of the law and are not proficient at your weapons platforms you should not be allowed the badge.

For those of you that believe this woman was insane, let's play a game of dialog roleplay.

Victim: ......wtf, I'm out of pizza, wtf am I supposed to do , I need some more *samuel L. Jackson* pizza.
Coworker: you're on your own, you screwed up and I'm not helping you

Victim: .....slanderous woman, if I can't work you can't either *takes coworkers knife and scissors* dirty female dog
.
Coworker: this spiteful overbearing lewd woman dun went crazy, someone call the police before I beat her down



And that's how the cookie crumbles or fell apart before it hit the ground.



4-5 shots to subdue an angry costco employee, another officer hurt by ricochet, remind me not to quote Samuel Jackson in public for fear of being corrected by a police officer.

This will only get worse before it gets better. This will probably spark a bloody uprising. No bulletproof vest is going to protect you when groups of people come to chop your head off with a machete.

reply to post by Knives4eyes


Thats how i imagined it going down, followed by the routine just doing my job kinda crap to cover up and sweep it under the rug as normal daily duty.

As much as I'm against the police killing people without good reason, this does seem like a normal case of self defence by the police. If you have a crazy person with a knife and scissors coming at you and others, and the stun gun fails, then they are justified in shooting her, it's not like she was unarmed.

They could have immobilised her with the gun, but in this instance the police's reaction was better measured than some of the cases we hear.

reply to post by Kang69

Originally posted by Kang69

Did she have a gun? We know that for sure that she didn't.

I wasn't there, so the only thing I actually know for sure is that she was shot dead. There are many factors and numerous possibilities regarding exactly how the whole incident transpired.

Originally posted by Kang69

So again i pose the question.

There's no other possible way of dealing with someone a knife other then shooting them?

You can pose it all you want, but I've already answered it, and I'm done repeating myself.

Originally posted by DeeKlassified
As much as I'm against the police killing people without good reason, this does seem like a normal case of self defence by the police. If you have a crazy person with a knife and scissors coming at you and others, and the stun gun fails, then they are justified in shooting her, it's not like she was unarmed.

They could have immobilised her with the gun, but in this instance the police's reaction was better measured than some of the cases we hear.

Was the woman warned before or after the stun gun was used? I am guessing neither. Also, a stun gun is non-lethal right?? So because the non-lethal stun-gun failed I should draw my gun to resolve the non-lethal situation?? So if my pepper spray bottle fails and is empty, I should draw my gun and fill em full of holes?? So I should resolve all non-lethal situations with lethal force? The stun gun is the key here. Obviously the situation wasn't so much of heightened threat as these two cops claimed.

reply to post by DeeKlassified


Your right, its a little better this time because they did not go mag after mag to stop her,
She was in a break room, with scissors and a knife, do you really think there were other people in the room with her during her incident?

I think that more than likely she was irritated and did have a knife, she probably surprised the cops coming into the break room and the capped her before thinking.

So the official story is she charged the police with the knife and scissors........but did it really happen like they say?
That's my question.

reply to post by MongusePro


What is wrong with the cops?
The lady was probably having some mental episodes yet chose to shoot?
Why couldn't they have pinned her with a lader?
Costco sells ladders.
Or used some shopping cart to box her in and subdue her.

Sometimes people don't use their heads.

Too bad she wasnt handing out donut samples.

Thats right.

reply to post by intrepid


Did the cops save a life or did they take one this day?

As far as i know the cops didnt save the person who really needed help. They killed her.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by Bedlam

The normal human response to being shot is terror, not aggression; flight, not fight. The ones you see on TV charging the cop after being shot are hardened criminals. Adrenaline and panic leading to charging the officer is highly doubtful (although I will admit to the slight possibility).

If he missed the first three times in a break room, the guy needs to hang up his uniform and gun and get a slingshot.

TheRedneck

I was attributing the adrenalin and panic to the deputies, along with missing a couple of times, or three.

I've been shot at and missed (and # at and hit...sorry) and it tends to provoke either running away or attacking aggressively, depending on the situation. I'm not sure how a mentally aberrant civilian would react. It might provoke aggression. Maybe not. I can't even begin to call that one.

As far as missing three times in a break room, I am again guessing, but unless these guys were in military action up front and center, it's likely they've never drawn their service weapon in the field with intent to shoot. (cops on thread, true or not?) It's also even more likely they've never actually killed anyone. This provokes odd reactions in people. Apparently they had time or opportunity to attempt to taze her (if the story's correct), and at some point she charged them with the knife at close range.

If you were in a closed in area with her, and she was standing there, your buddy tazed her and instead of dropping she suddenly let out a big squall and came at you with knife a'slashin', your first reaction as a shooting virgin is going to be to freeze for a split second, then have a big adrenaline dump that leaves you shaking badly, then you're going to start firing like mad, not very well. Your critical thinking skills are not going to be at their best for a few seconds.

Some SWAT guys are used to being shot at, most street cops do not train like SFOD-D or CAG and are not used to being shot at, unless they work in Detroit. Sterling has a population of about 27,000. The county's population density is middling. It's pretty affluent, comparatively, They probably don't get into a lot of firefights.

reply to post by Bedlam


American cops are not known to have a suddle approuch towards their suspects. They are usually shouting out orders and making threats with thir agressive attitude towards the suspect at the same time. This can cause suspects to become defensive. It is not natural for us to remain calm when we are being threatened in a violent situation.

A defencive suspect in a cop world, is a agressive suspect. And cops are instructed to employ even greater force if this happeneds.

reply to post by Bedlam

I'm sorry; I thought you were attributing them to the victim.

I suppose it is possible that the officer let the situation get the better of him; but that then begs the question of why is he a police officer in the first place? Again, increased authority cannot be separated from increased responsibility. I wouldn't want a 90 year old woman digging ditches, nor a high school dropout doing surgery. Some people simply should not hold certain positions, and those positions that could have life-or-death consequences even more so.

Perhaps it would be beneficial to have tighter restrictions for law enforcement officers hiring on for the first time? Personality tests, that sort of thing? Heck, even truck drivers have to complete driving tests, safety training courses, regular ongoing substance abuse testing, background checks, etc. and they're prohibited in most states from carrying weapons (even pocketknives in some). Police are assigned weapons.

Of course, this is all speculation.... as a previous poster aptly put it, "armchair policing" or something to that effect.

TheRedneck

Why don't we have a police unit that deals specifically with melee weapons............................

How hard would it be to have someone in kevlar and a riot shield bum rush her?

WTF GUYS

why do you have to just shoot people??
gun is a last resort sure, but it's not like this woman was freaking jet li with a knife and scissors taking out cops left and right...

Sounds like the woman was ill, perhaps hypoglycemic or otherwise delirious. These cops will have to live with this blunder, as will the woman's family.

Originally posted by yourmaker
Why don't we have a police unit that deals specifically with melee weapons............................

How hard would it be to have someone in kevlar and a riot shield bum rush her?

WTF GUYS

why do you have to just shoot people??
gun is a last resort sure, but it's not like this woman was freaking jet li with a knife and scissors taking out cops left and right...

I'm sorry yourmaker, the manly men league of manliness who act like men has been disbanded since 1993. ;c

This is regrettable, but I understand why the lady was shot and killed. She was brandishing deadly weapons and acting in a threatening manner.

Based on the limited information, she was more than likely suffering from some sort of mental illness and was going without appropriate treatment. For instance, more than 80 percent of the prison population suffer from some sort of mental illness. Although I am unable to extrapolate numbers, this would indicate a large part of the general populace also suffer from untreated mental illness. We will not even mention Washington D.C.

intrepid was the first to mention police are trained to aim for center mass...a significant number of you have gone on to write police are trained to shoot to kill. While a bullet to the torso will significantly increase your chances of dying from the shot, shooting center mass does NOT equate shooting to kill. It does equate to increasing your chances of hitting your target.

If I am being threatened by some person brandishing a deadly weapon and the police are there attempting to gain control of the situation, I do not want them to start target practice, attempting to shoot a knife out of the hand of the antagonist.

reply to post by MongusePro

" is a under and over pump action single # with practice slugs so im not used to a world of guns. Your reply certainly validates your lack of knowledge concerning firearms. There is no 'pump' action, 'over and under' single # (does this mean 'shot'?. An over and under by it's very nature is a two barreled gun. One barrel over the other. It is a combination of many different calibers. But it is never a 'pump' action because it breaks open to load and reload. The fact that you said it was a single 'shot' indicates it couldn't be an 'over and under, pump or otherwise. "
Might be a good thing they don't allow you folks to have something as dangerous as a pump action, single shot, over and under double barrel shot gun!