Woman Fatally Shot by Police at Cosco Handing Out Pizza Samples.

Thinking about this thread I am asking just how big can scissors be that you would use in a demonstration to sell pizza?

My guess would be a 3 inch blade tops, the knife? probably to cut the toppings and stuff as I would think to cut the pizza itself you would have a pizza wheel .

I am thinking the knife would probably be a paring knife, serrated edge and 3 inches tops.

If my wife or any woman came at me with the above weapons and I was prepared for it ( just as the cops are trained to be) I would knock that blade out of her hand so fast her head would spin.

Lets all remind ourselves that the cops now wear body Armour and carry 3 foot long clubs.
They wear jack boots and drive armored cars and Hummers.

Regards, Iwinder

reply to post by Bedlam


Interesting & I'm a little surprised. Don't police have to take continuing ed
as well as so many hours of target practice a month or every few months?
Sorry I don't know...in the medical field whether animal or human hours
of continuous ed & practice are expected in order to keep your License...

I know people can slip through the rules & etc. However when it's a more difficult
situation when you have to choose on taking a life, I would think that the officer would
have to keep up on serious training both psychological, physical, training of any kind,
as well as weaponry. Thanks in advance.

Cheers
Ektar

reply to post by TheRedneck

Don't feel bad... I remember the first time I let go of a .357 round... it was from a 6" barrel (S&W Model 66), and the fire from the barrel filled my entire frame of view. It took quite a few shots to get comfortable with it.

They don't bug me when I'm shooting them (kinda like me driving a fast car) but that unexpected crack... The worst time this happened the nice older gentleman one lane over had been plugging away with a .22 Ruger. I'm having happy Domo time plugging away with my Glock 17. Popped in a fresh magazine, was about to squeeze off that first shot and BLARRRRMMMMMM! I just stood there for about 5 seconds blinking. Blinking and clenching.

That statement seriously scares me. I hope you can agree that placing firearms in the hands of and entrusting enforcement of laws to the less-proficient while making it difficult to carry for the more proficient is not the best of situations.

It scares me too. I know that a lot of cops end up spending their own money to become better shooters, but a lot don't. I believe this has a lot to do with funding. I believe police should be very well trained with firearms, but they really aren't.

I cannot claim exceptional accuracy anymore myself, having let my skills wither with time, but I am not a policeman and rarely even carry any more.

I think that's a good thing and a bad thing. If you can, get back to it! I know it's getting pricey though. I'm certainly not trying any trick shots (never would have anyway) but still carry on occasion. I feel like a should start that habit up again though. Never know when you'll need it.

I doubt that... I am not a gun nut nor a macho man... I am just a redneck with a big mouth (keyboard).

Perhaps we're related.

I don't want to kill, and I see no use in wasting ammunition. If I shoot twice in a situation and my target doesn't at least falter, then I will immediately keep firing. It takes almost no time to make that distinction. If he does falter, then i have a split-second to decide if another round is needed. That's enough time; the mind runs at warp-speed in a threatening situation. That said, I would have no problem, as I assume you would not, unloading as many more rounds as needed if needed.

There are very few things that I can imagine would be more devastating than killing another human being, justified or not. When I got my concealed pistol license I really had to do a soul search. There is a line from "In The Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob that stuck with me. "I pray you never have to use it, but if you do, don't miss." I suppose I'm paraphrasing, but that stuck with me.

If evidence suggests these officers are guilty of murder, I'll be happy to see them receive additional punishment. I do believe the police should be held to a higher standard. At the same time, I think they should be held to a DIFFERENT standard.

Originally posted by Knives4eyes
reply to post by SubTruth

 

It's a shame that people you;re supposed to count on to be professional in dangerous situations are too much of crybabies to man up and handle the situation like men.


If a woman comes at me with a knife, I'm going to kick her ass plain and simple, sadly police officers don't require any sort of self defense training ( or strength for that matter ).

Holy hell, you ARE a man! You must have 20 testicles. I must be some kind of fem, because if a woman comes at ME with a knife, I'm going to shoot her in the face and then probably in the vagina. I'm definitely willing to sacrifice the life of a total stranger to avoid ending up with a pair of scissors sticking out of the side of my neck.

Actually, if you were a REAL man you would just stand there and let her stab you a few times. You know, like a man.

Originally posted by Siberbat
I have seen people under the influence of meth have superhuman strength and resistance to pain. I have seen a 110lbs. person require 8 large firemen to hold them down.

Sure you have. Reminds me of the time I personally witnessed a 6-year-old girl on PCP. She flipped over several cop cars and took 15 rounds to the chest and she was still going like somebody had blown her a kiss. Twelve cops, each of whom weighed over 300 pounds, dog piled her and she threw them off like rag dolls. Fortunately, I managed to subdue her with a well-placed karate chop, but only because I'm awesome. True story. Bet you wish you were like me, huh?

the fact that a stun gun didn't work on her and she was acting strange waving sharp objects while making threats leads me to believe that she was probably on drugs at the time.
I don't see how else they could've acted in such a situation, if a stun gun didn't work then i doubt shooting her to disable would've worked either and subduing her physically would've been too dangerous if not impossible.

So shoot her or somebody gets stabbed? Why would you not shoot her? I sure as hell would.

the fact that a stun gun didn't work on her and she was acting strange waving sharp objects while making threats leads me to believe that she was probably on drugs at the time.

I thought the tazer mailfunctioned - not that it did not affect her.

reply to post by MongusePro


Yeah, because waiving a knife at people is oh so innocent.

Geez, more and more bogus headlines just to get people to read it.

Scott reportedly became upset when she ran out of pizza, reported Northern Virginia Bureau Chief Julie Carey. Witnesses said she was waving a knife and scissors, threatening employees.

You wave a knife at me, I shoot you. No problem for me.

reply to post by bigfootgurl


A video shown to us in the LE academy was of a 120lb guy, dropping from a 3 story window, breaking ankles and still taking off. PCP was the drug of choice.
I have also, as a cop had to dog pile on a guy, 4 of us, because of PCP.

People on meth are nasty to deal with as well. Not so much of the ones that have done it for about 4 years and on, but the ones that are just getting into it, before it destroys the body.

Stories like this make me reminisce of the days when we had a floating K-9 unit to respond on calls like this.

Unless the person was on drugs or bat guano crazy, just the sight of the dog eagerly awaiting to chew your @$$ raw was enough to make most people acquiesce.

reply to post by Domo1

They don't bug me when I'm shooting them

You like being on the same end of the gun that I do.

I had to say that...

It scares me too. I know that a lot of cops end up spending their own money to become better shooters, but a lot don't. I believe this has a lot to do with funding. I believe police should be very well trained with firearms, but they really aren't.

I hesitate to say this, but it is true. At the college I just attended, there is a fairly large Criminal Justice program. As a math tutor, I actually got to where I was pretty good at spotting CJ majors... they were the ones who just wanted to pass and get on with it, and not learn anything. They were also the ones who were most condescending towards the ones who wanted to learn. It's a sad affair when the CJ majors become the butt of dumb jokes, but I watched it happening.

We need good cops, smart cops, cops who are in it for more than to get to ride in the front of a cruiser and carry a gun.

If you can, get back to it!

Oh, I can, and I am. Pricey isn't too much of a hurdle as I also reload and the same wadcutter can be remoulded several times to keep the cost down to primer and powder. I don't have the interest as much as I used to, simply because I have become somewhat of a hermit in my old age. Less people equals less hassle. Getting me to town now requires either a tool sale or a team of mules.

There are very few things that I can imagine would be more devastating than killing another human being, justified or not.

Agreed. I pulled my gun one time and gave the guy one chance to back off before I pulled the trigger. He did, but if he had not there is no question in my mind I would have done what was needed... or that I would have regretted it later.

Just realizing how close I came to taking a life was enough to give me the willys for a while.

If evidence suggests these officers are guilty of murder, I'll be happy to see them receive additional punishment. I do believe the police should be held to a higher standard. At the same time, I think they should be held to a DIFFERENT standard.

100% agreed, and if it turns out they were justified, I will retract all my earlier suspicions and applaud them for a job well done.

TheRedneck

Do the cops in America ever think of trying to talk to someone who is aggressive to try and calm them down first before they shoot, there was no need to shoot her.

They could have 2 cops talking to her, distracting her, while others approach from behind and apprehend her, no need to kill her, maybe try some pepper spray to disorientate her

the storyline, as a whole, strikes me as that of damn near 'vigilante justice' on the whole, but I'll await further information and proceedings before forming any sort of 'in-stone' opinion(s0.

as it stands now ...

the officers over-reacted, IMHO.... (?)

I can't help but to hearken back to the days of olde when cops actually tried to 'defuse' situations instead of escalating the entirety of circumstances surrounding the same, to the point of straightup killing folks.
WTH!?

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
the storyline, as a whole, strikes me as that of damn near 'vigilante justice' on the whole, but I'll await further information and proceedings before forming any sort of 'in-stone' opinion(s0.

as it stands now ...

the officers over-reacted, IMHO.... (?)

I can't help but to hearken back to the days of olde when cops actually tried to 'defuse' situations instead of escalating the entirety of circumstances surrounding the same, to the point of straightup killing folks.

WTH!?

Yeah they did, back in the good old days. When they did that, they left people alive who could testify, and thus the LEO's were faced with a lawsuit every time they allowed someone to live (Please realize I am exagerating, and trying to make a point). Now if they shoot, and it is judged a good shoot, no lawsuit. Just something to think about.

Originally posted by Jinn82
Do the cops in America ever think of trying to talk to someone who is aggressive to try and calm them down first before they shoot, there was no need to shoot her.

They could have 2 cops talking to her, distracting her, while others approach from behind and apprehend her, no need to kill her, maybe try some pepper spray to disorientate her

Cops in America are like people everywhere, there are good cops, and bad cops, I do not know enough about this story to make a real intelligent decision as to whether they were right or wrong.

reply to post by MongusePro


I think (and I know this has got to be obvious)...the woman had mental health problems; somewhere in her mind at that time it made sense to wave a knife and a pair of scissors around...to her that made sense.

However no matter what her reasons were; her behavior was dangerous and scarey to those around her.

The police (in my opinion) did not have to fatally shoot her; and really whoever did fire that shot could have aimed at her shoulder or a leg; that would of stopped her.

Frankly...I think she was in a psychotic break and living in her own delusional world that made sense to her. I feel badly that she had to end her days on earth the way she did.

Originally posted by BubbaJoe

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
Just something to think about.

point noted and point taken/made

days of olde, it would seem .... anymore. (?)

reply to post by RoScoLaz


Nah, this kind of stuff has been going on for a long time. The only real difference is access to information; it's much harder for pigs to make up stories and claim they felt threatened when a civilian with a camera has recorded an incident. You put a pig in a position of power and it's going to start abusing that power.

From another source:

Authorities said that Scott did not respond to commands to drop the knife and that one of the deputies used a Taser to try to subdue her as she moved toward them. Scott continued to advance, officials said, and a deputy opened fire, striking and killing her. A second deputy was hit by a bullet in the leg and is recovering.

So apparently the taser did not misfire; she was hit and not incapacitated.

Chapman said the two deputies involved in the incident, who have not been identified, were experienced. Both have been placed on paid administrative leave, a routine step in such instances.

“These deputies are not rookies,” he said. “Both have several years on the job, and both are fully certified and have maintained all their training.”

So the officers were not rookies, and were certified (I am assuming this indicates certification in weapons). So again, why five shots?

...Scott had been depressed because she was involved in a dispute with her ex-husband over custody of their two daughters.

Depressed? Is this relevant I wonder...

The Filipino embassy is watching the case closely. Apparently she was Filipino and not a U. S. citizen. Irrelevant to whether or not the shooting was justified, but could it go to the reason she went off?

TheRedneck