Trayvon Martin: Cellphone pics of guns and drugs

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by NavyDoc

What do you mean? His scalp was split open on the back of the head that is completely consistent with his testimony.

It wasn't "split open" at all. It had minor scratches on it, with no noticeable swelling whatsoever. The kind of injury you'd get when your head slightly brushed against a tiny stone on the ground, rather than what would occur if it had been slammed against concrete 2 or more times.

No, it was split open. You can see subcutaneous tissue in the center of the wound. I've stitched up many a similar injury.

Yet, George didn't require no such treatment, and so nasty were his injuries that his wife had to place large silly plasters over them, so the world would not have to view these horrific wounds.

You are quite incorrect,
Look at GZ's injuries.


Then look at an anatomical model:



The location of the injuries are at the most posterior position at the skull which is consistent with being forcibly struck against a hard, level object.

See the raised edges on the laceration? This is not a "scrape" but a laceration. It is also consistent with the described trauma.

See the blanched white areas around the laceration? Irregular in shape and at the point of most impact, that also is consistent with the described trauma.

Understand that the scalp is very vascular and has, at most, a thickness of 5 cm and a total volume of 200 cm, you will not get large hematomas with an open scalp injury.

Based on objective, not emotional, processes, his injuries are consistent with his stated trauma.

Now, being an objective physician, I cannot state that those injuries prove his testimony, just that they are consistent with his testimony of being on his back with his head repeatedly slammed against a very hard and flat surface.

Originally posted by Allegorical
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

What the # is this "coward" crap? If someone is following me, I call the police and go to a safe place. That is what a civilized man does. I do not charge people, fists swinging, because I think they are following me. That is something that thugs and idiots do.

That is EXACTLY what we are trying to tell you Navy Doc, we believe something different happened other than what George Zimmerman is saying. We are also NOT stereotyping this kid because of a suspension from school or a picture of a gun on his phone. It has been said MANY times in this thread that it is suspected that Zimmerman approached Trayvon and either flashed his gun on him and/or grabbed him.

ANd that has nothing to do with calling those who have a different view on the situation "cowards."

What the # is this "coward" crap? If someone is following me, I call the police and go to a safe place. That is what a civilized man does. I do not charge people, fists swinging, because I think they are following me. That is something that thugs and idiots do.

By your own words you assume Trayvon to be an uncivilized, idiotic, thug.

I do not see him that way at all.

Originally posted by Allegorical
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

What the # is this "coward" crap? If someone is following me, I call the police and go to a safe place. That is what a civilized man does. I do not charge people, fists swinging, because I think they are following me. That is something that thugs and idiots do.

That is EXACTLY what we are trying to tell you Navy Doc, we believe something different happened other than what George Zimmerman is saying. We are also NOT stereotyping this kid because of a suspension from school or a picture of a gun on his phone. It has been said MANY times in this thread that it is suspected that Zimmerman approached Trayvon and either flashed his gun on him and/or grabbed him.

You accuse me of racism because I disagree with you. That is nonsense.

reply to post by NavyDoc


I was wondering about that myself.

In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer." Both these felonies are considered third-degree. Due to his desperate attempts, the charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program. In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence. In retaliation, Zimmerman filed for a retraining order against Zuazo and both these claims were resolved with both restraining orders granted.

www.allvoices.com...

He doesn't have a record I guess, because he was never convicted of anything.

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Allegorical
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

What the # is this "coward" crap? If someone is following me, I call the police and go to a safe place. That is what a civilized man does. I do not charge people, fists swinging, because I think they are following me. That is something that thugs and idiots do.

That is EXACTLY what we are trying to tell you Navy Doc, we believe something different happened other than what George Zimmerman is saying. We are also NOT stereotyping this kid because of a suspension from school or a picture of a gun on his phone. It has been said MANY times in this thread that it is suspected that Zimmerman approached Trayvon and either flashed his gun on him and/or grabbed him.

ANd that has nothing to do with calling those who have a different view on the situation "cowards."

I don't know who called who a cowards but all you did was digress. Would you care to respond to the actual response iI made to you.

reply to post by NavyDoc


Those cuts would have begun bleeding immediately, yes? Pray tell why the blood flow is towards the front of his head then, if he was lying on his back when they occurred?

There are more powerful people who will end this case with Zimmerman being guilty. They know that if Z gets off, there will be riots never before seen in the history of America. Hundreds of Americans will be killed as a result!

Your thoughts...?

reply to post by WaterBottle

A lot of people are just happy to see a black kid die.

“Those who address race the most, are usually the most racist”.
-Propulsion

Originally posted by Propulsion
There are more powerful people who will end this case with Zimmerman being guilty. They know that if Z gets off, there will be riots never before seen in the history of America. Hundreds of Americans will be killed as a result!

Your thoughts...?

You reap what you sow when you encourage cowboy yahoos to take the law into their own hands and designate themselves judge, jury and executioner.

Originally posted by Propulsion
There are more powerful people who will end this case with Zimmerman being guilty. They know that if Z gets off, there will be riots never before seen in the history of America. Hundreds of Americans will be killed as a result!

Your thoughts...?

By who? All the uncivilized, idiotic, black thugs? Where will these riots happen exactly? In low income neighborhoods and ghettos across America?

(did u see what i did there??)

I would really love a real answer, do you have one? I asked four (4) questions, can you answer them?

Originally posted by Tribunal
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

I was wondering about that myself.

In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer." Both these felonies are considered third-degree. Due to his desperate attempts, the charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program. In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence. In retaliation, Zimmerman filed for a retraining order against Zuazo and both these claims were resolved with both restraining orders granted.

www.allvoices.com...

He doesn't have a record I guess, because he was never convicted of anything.

Trayvon was a seventeen year-old that was never arrested for anything EVER. George is well documented as your post above points out.

Originally posted by Allegorical

What the # is this "coward" crap? If someone is following me, I call the police and go to a safe place. That is what a civilized man does. I do not charge people, fists swinging, because I think they are following me. That is something that thugs and idiots do.

By your own words you assume Trayvon to be an uncivilized, idiotic, thug.

I do not see him that way at all.

Assaulting someone for following you is the very definition of a thug. Civilized people do not resolve disputes, absent life or death, that way.

Originally posted by Allegorical

Originally posted by Tribunal
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

I was wondering about that myself.

In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer." Both these felonies are considered third-degree. Due to his desperate attempts, the charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program. In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence. In retaliation, Zimmerman filed for a retraining order against Zuazo and both these claims were resolved with both restraining orders granted.

www.allvoices.com...

He doesn't have a record I guess, because he was never convicted of anything.

Trayvon was a seventeen year-old that was never arrested for anything EVER. George is well documented as your post above points out.

Trayvon was kicked out of school for his violent and disruptive tendencies, GZ was never convicted of anything.i

Originally posted by Propulsion
reply to post by WaterBottle

 

A lot of people are just happy to see a black kid die.

“Those who address race the most, are usually the most racist”.
-Propulsion

edit on 31-5-2013 by Propulsion because: (no reason given)

Well seeing as you used the word twice and he didn't once...... by YOUR logic......

Why not just respond to what he said? Do you feel what he said is true? Why or why not?

Originally posted by WaterBottle
Can someone answer this, thanks.

Zimmerman actually HAD a gun that night and not just

a photo of one, why arent you complaining about that?

edit on 30-5-2013 by WaterBottle because: (no reason given)

Hmmm maybe something to do with having a gun and CC license is the reason nobody is complaining about Zimmermans'.... Do you really think if a teen has a picture of a handgun they also have the license for it?? I highly doubt it, espically seeing how martin held the 'thug life' so high up.

If any of my children had a pic of a gun and some weed on their phones, I would be quite concerned! I would most definitely want to know what my kids were up too while they were out doing stuff. And if you’re not concerned, I would advise you to take some parenting skills classes.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

Those cuts would have begun bleeding immediately, yes? Pray tell why the blood flow is towards the front of his head then, if he was lying on his back when they occurred?

There is thing called "gravity " that would pull the blood to the ground if you were on your back and having you head, as you were on your back, having you head slammed in the ground. Logically, in that position, you would not have blood flowing to the front of your head against gravity. Read up on this thing we call "physics."

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Assaulting someone for following you is the very definition of a thug. Civilized people do not resolve disputes, absent life or death, that way.

But, apart from Zimmerman's questionable testimony and some very flimsy physical evidence that supposedly corroborates his account, there is no proof that Trayvon ever did such a thing. You've accepted Zimmerman's testimony without even hearing him defend his story under the kind of questioning it deserves.

Originally posted by Allegorical

Originally posted by Propulsion
There are more powerful people who will end this case with Zimmerman being guilty. They know that if Z gets off, there will be riots never before seen in the history of America. Hundreds of Americans will be killed as a result!

Your thoughts...?

By who? All the uncivilized, idiotic, black thugs? Where will these riots happen exactly? In low income neighborhoods and ghettos across America?

(did u see what i did there??)

I would really love a real answer, do you have one? I asked four (4) questions, can you answer them?

All it takes is only two (2) word for all your questions…

Rodney King!

Need I say more…?