Jehovah's Witnesses believe UN will ban Religion

originally posted by: Neith

originally posted by: Volkgeister
I recently spoke to a friend about his time as a witness (he is no longer). And he told me something interesting. Apparently Witnesses believe the UN will ban religion and are preparing accordingly.

Here is a link to:
www.thepowerhour.com...

I am not sure of the validity of his claim, and would much appreciate the input of ATS members.

Cheers.

My first thought upon reading this was, In favor of what? Chrislam? .... christ....

That might not be far from fact. The whole movement behind the scenes is to create an amalgam of belief under one umbrella, thereby suppressing any idea that there might be a true religion. Forgive me if any of these links have been posted before, but they are informational:

Spiritual Caucus At The United Nations
NGO Committee On Spirituality
The United Religions Initiative
Unitarian Universalist UN Office

The important thing to understand about the aforementioned prophecies are "God has put it in their heart to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled." - (Revelation 17:17 -NIV)

What this means is that there may be no warning or geopolitical events that lead up to these things. God "puts it into their heart" similar to when he changed the languages at Babel. (Genesis 11:7-9) There may be no rhyme or reason to that event, it will be sudden and swift.

Having said that, you can certainly see the anti-religion rhetoric gaining steam day by day. From that standpoint it only makes sense that eventually the consensus will be to get rid of religion altogether.

a reply to: TheChrome
The whole movement behind the scenes to create an umbrella belief by suppressing the true religion is found in scripture as well as this impending War that's about to begin. Scripture also said that upon both sides returning from the war there will be an all-out systematic elimination of the holy covenant. Daniel 11:25-34

It seems that there will be two waves to this war, the first wave the North s king will have success over the South's king. The second wave the North will not be as successful. This clearly shows that since the instalment of the despised king of the South (Donald J Trump/USA) at Daniel 11:21 these events are moving at a rapid pace. With the North s China heavy restriction on Christianity & Russia's apparent success of total elimination of a religion calling it extremist and criminal coupled with the war drums beating louder as both North and South prepare to fight, prophecy is becoming more clearer the final parts of Daniel the 11th chapter verses 21 onward.

God's words are truly being fulfilled as his light of truth shines more abundantly with increased knowledge in these last days leading to the Great Tribulation. Catapulting the attack on religion unexpectedly by the UN will be the catalyst to this epoch event.

originally posted by: Transparent
a reply to: TheChrome
The whole movement behind the scenes to create an umbrella belief by suppressing the true religion is found in scripture as well as this impending War that's about to begin. Scripture also said that upon both sides returning from the war there will be an all-out systematic elimination of the holy covenant. Daniel 11:25-34

It seems that there will be two waves to this war, the first wave the North s king will have success over the South's king. The second wave the North will not be as successful. This clearly shows that since the instalment of the despised king of the South (Donald J Trump/USA) at Daniel 11:21 these events are moving at a rapid pace. With the North s China heavy restriction on Christianity & Russia's apparent success of total elimination of a religion calling it extremist and criminal coupled with the war drums beating louder as both North and South prepare to fight, prophecy is becoming more clearer the final parts of Daniel the 11th chapter verses 21 onward.

God's words are truly being fulfilled as his light of truth shines more abundantly with increased knowledge in these last days leading to the Great Tribulation. Catapulting the attack on religion unexpectedly by the UN will be the catalyst to this epoch event.

The "Despised One" of Daniel 11:21 refers to Tiberius of Rome, who died without being deified and was considered a tyrant. In Daniel chapter 11, the prophesies of the Last Days do not start until Verse 29, when the "Appointed Time" arrives. At verse 40, we know there is a battle or "pushing" between US and Russia (Cold War), but it is unclear who the final king of the North And South are.

Is this what triggers the start of the Great Tribulation?

News outlets report President Trump had just signed a controversial exrcutive order giving religious groups & organizations the freedom to engage in political activities with little fear of having their tax-exempt status removed by rules established by the IRS as having no political input or influence.

Religions will now feel more brazzen & untouchable because of this.Will this be what fully awakes the groggy beast (the UN), the disgusting thing that causes desolation? After this war, will governments set their focus & aim by turning their attention on deligion by exposing & ridding the world of them? See: Daniel 11:29-31; Revelation 17:15-18

originally posted by: Transparent
Is this what triggers the start of the Great Tribulation?

News outlets report President Trump had just signed a controversial exrcutive order giving religious groups & organizations the freedom to engage in political activities with little fear of having their tax-exempt status removed by rules established by the IRS as having no political input or influence.

Religions will now feel more brazzen & untouchable because of this.Will this be what fully awakes the groggy beast (the UN), the disgusting thing that causes desolation? After this war, will governments set their focus & aim by turning their attention on deligion by exposing & ridding the world of them? See: Daniel 11:29-31; Revelation 17:15-18

No. Daniel 11:29-31 has already taken place. Remember we are talking about the kings of North and South since the time of Jesus. Germany was the king of the north during World War One and Two. At Daniel 11:30 it speaks of the "ships of western coastlands" coming against the king of the north. The ships of the western coastlands were the allied navies that came against the king of the north (Germany) and made Germany "Lose heart" (Daniel 11:30) Germany after WW1 regrouped, and under newly founded Nazism began persecuting true Christians all the way until it's demise at the end of WW2. Therefore the verses you speak of at Daniel 11:31 were fulfilled when Nazi Germany "abolished the daily sacrifice." True Christians resisted Hitler and were thrown into concentration camps as can be seen by history.

As far as Revelation 17:15-18, it is for the not too distant future, and more likely relates to Daniel 11:45-12:1 in the stream of time.

a reply to: TheChrome

but it is unclear who the final king of the North And South are.

The King of the south stays the same from WW1 until the end of the system, that is the Anglo-American world power, at the start of world war 1 it was Great Britain and all it's colonies that were the power, by the end of WW2 it was the Americans that were now the power. This duel power started at WW1. As they had fought against each other in a war as recent as 1812.

The prophesies in Daniel and revelation need to tie together and they do



As for the King of the North, it appears that a former member of the Soviet Union has arisen to take it's place in the form of Russia. It is the only country with technological weapons that rival America now.

Russia's Newet Tank

Fifth Generation Fighter Jet





The point is China is the only other rival and it doesn't have this type of tech nor does it have a true "blue water Navy" like Russia's to rival America's own Navy which is number one ranked for power projection as it has 10 aircraft carrier strike forces.
Carrier Strike Force


The final sentence of Daniel 11:45 describes the King Of the Norths ultimate fate.

But he will come to his end, with no one to help him.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: TheChrome

but it is unclear who the final king of the North And South are.

The King of the south stays the same from WW1 until the end of the system, that is the Anglo-American world power, at the start of world war 1 it was Great Britain and all it's colonies that were the power, by the end of WW2 it was the Americans that were now the power. This duel power started at WW1. As they had fought against each other in a war as recent as 1812.

The final sentence of Daniel 11:45 describes the King Of the Norths ultimate fate.

But he will come to his end, with no one to help him.

We will see. There is a spider web of events starting in the last days. First, Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany, King George V of England, Empress Alexandra Feodorovna of Russia were all cousins and grandchildren of Queen Victoria of England. It is true that Russia was allied with Great Britain and The United States during both World War 1 and 2 and thus was also part the king of the south against Germany. Germany was divided after world war 2 and then reunited after the cold war. Germany, the former king of the north is now allied with the US and Great Britain. So who really took the position of the king of the north after world war 2? The Us/Great Britain or Russia?

a reply to: TheChrome

So who really took the position of the king of the north after world war 2?

The Soviet Union, the engaged "pushing" was carried on in the "cold war" until the Soviet Union fell apart under Gorbachev in late 1991. It was then that Russia really began to fall behind in weapons development and maintenance of there current weapons. I remember reading articles in the late 90's from people who had just come back from Russia and they said they were not a threat anymore, they were more worried about rogue elements getting the nukes, or disgruntled soldiers and officers just selling them off to the highest bidder. Putin came to power in 2000 and he has been rebuilding the Russian forces for 17 years until now it is once again a respected force in the world as my previous post showed.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: TheChrome

So who really took the position of the king of the north after world war 2?

The Soviet Union, the engaged "pushing" was carried on in the "cold war" until the Soviet Union fell apart under Gorbachev in late 1991. It was then that Russia really began to fall behind in weapons development and maintenance of there current weapons. I remember reading articles in the late 90's from people who had just come back from Russia and they said they were not a threat anymore, they were more worried about rogue elements getting the nukes, or disgruntled soldiers and officers just selling them off to the highest bidder. Putin came to power in 2000 and he has been rebuilding the Russian forces for 17 years until now it is once again a respected force in the world as my previous post showed.

It's looking like "extremism" (as a pretense) might be the way nations will finally ban religion.

Sadly or expectedly, the majority of religious organizations are not paying attention to what's about to happen.

Consider the latest case of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine:

The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine will consider two draft laws on the status of religious organizations on May 18, one of which would effectively prohibit the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate, the second of which would legalize the seizure of churches, reports RIA-Novosti with reference to Strana.ua. The first bill, No. 4511, “On the special status of religious organizations with headquarters located in states recognized by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine as aggressor states,” proposes that such religious organizations be able to appoint metropolitans and bishops only in agreement with the governing authorities. The same bill also gives the government the right to forbid a confession if its representatives cooperate with religious centers in “aggressor states.” No specific denominations are mentioned in the bill, but only the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (UOC-MP) meets all the criteria listed. One of the authors of the initiative, Deputy Dimitry Tymchuk, confirmed that the document does indeed deal specifically with the UOC-MP: “Across the whole country their churches remain points of agitation against the Ukrainian state. They sell anti-Ukrainian literature even in the center of the capital at the Kiev Caves Lavra,” he stated. The main research apparatus of the Verkhnova Rada has criticized the bill and recommended that it reject the bill as violating the constitution and acting laws in the country.
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www.pravoslavie.ru...

Not many are paying attention to it, just like what happened to the Witnesses in Russia.

The recent killings/murders done in the name of "Allah" (god/religion) will finally push individuals to finally put an end to extremism.

Hang tight for it is coming... soon.

We know that all false religion is to come to its end first with the Great Tribulation and before the kings of the earth are to be destroyed at Armageddon. Take a closer look at 1Thessalonians 5:3. Who will call out peace and security? The answer has been there all of the time. This verse speaks of those that call peace and security will be destroyed after they make this proclamation. This is none other than a United core of false religion (Babylon the Great).

Let's examine this further.

I never could get how folks get recruited into the JW thing...

I mean, no holidays, no fun....not a great sales pitch.

The UN, because the world rulers ; their kings will give it the power to do so will rid religion worldwide before they themselves are destroyed by God Almighty (Revelation 19:17,18) they cannot be the on e that says peace and security.

This leaves only Babylon the great, the collective group of false religion. Have the main players of these religions been gathering together to make this proclamation? Yes they have! At the guise of Catholicism lead by Pope Francis it has been spearheading a worldwide campaign by gathering every major religion to unite with it and to forge a peace agreement. They wish to push this upon the world governments to accept.

originally posted by: Gazrok
I never could get how folks get recruited into the JW thing...

I mean, no holidays, no fun....not a great sales pitch.

I don't think their recruiting does very well... its just fear based garbage

People are mostly born into the JW's camp...

I've actually never heard of someone converting to their religion, though im sure it happens

WARP (World Alliance of Religions for Peace). This organization started in 2014 and their international goal is very interesting.

If only it were true. Religion manifests more hate than any other belief system in this world and only serves to brainwash people and give people a scapegoat for their misfortunes. "Oh I didn't get the raise I wanted "God" has other plans for me LOL no....you just suck at your job and don't deserve one."

That may be true, but not until the one who is to come and deceive the world to follow and worship him as god appears , the son of perdition, the man of sin, that old Dragon, the Devil and Satan. At that time all will be required by UN law to worship him and take a mark. That same UN will start world War III by encircling Israel but more specifically Jerusalem (the city of peace literally what the name means). when they do the One true God Almighty will appear with ten thousand of ten thousands and with the sword of his mouth instantly put them all to death.

Revelation 19:11 ¶ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.(seeJn1"1-2 & 1Jn 5:7)
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations(the UN): and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Revelation 20:1 ¶ And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

When Satan is released he shall reform the UN and again try and fight against Jerusalem starting the final war on Earth WWIV, unless of course the UN starts another one before the one above known as WWIII.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations(the UN) which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 ¶ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Anyone who reads the Book and believes the Book knows a bit more than any JW's can ever know. They taught that the 144,000 were members of the JW's and at that time they reached such numbers, then the Lord would return physically and save them. They reached those numbers by the late 1800's and early 1900's, the Lord never returned physically, so they changed the teaching to "he returned Spiritually". Phooey, the Bible is clear if anyone prophecy and the thing does not come to pass then they are not sent of the Lord, and under Jewish Law were to be stoned, of course they would never follow the law because they don't believe the AKJV Bible anyway, so they change it or go to other versions to remove and redefine their Doctrines. If they just believed the Book to begin with they would already have known the 144,000 were MALES, VIRGINS, and of the TWELVE TRIBES of ISRAEL. JW's are a cult to steer away from, remember even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

a reply to: dgtempe

Except the witches did NOT practice secretly. I say this as a Pagan. There is no credible evidence of a Witch survival. Certainly nothing like Leland and Murray both postulated (separatley, oh an in a contradictory manner).

As for the JoHos? They beleive some odd things, especially about blood transfusions

originally posted by: Bikereddie
It seems to me , aimed at all religions.. but i cant help wetting myself laughing here at the total idea and people believing it to be the truth..

Its a wind up.

Do you wet yourself often? I would get that looked at, well unless you are 2.

Honestly...JWs are one of the worst for fairytales. I wouldnt believe a thing the upper circle says or believes

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: dgtempe
They beleive some odd things, especially about blood transfusions

The only somewhat 'odd' thing about it is that the majority of doctors are so late to catch on or fail to inform their patients honestly and/or properly about the subject and alternative (but less profitable for some) treatments:




Regarding what the Doctor mentions after 8:30...

Acts 15:29

to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”