Jehovah's Witnesses believe UN will ban Religion

Xcouncil=wisdom
news.msn.com...

"CAIRO — Egyptian authorities will bar 55,000 unlicensed clerics from preaching in mosques"

yupp, gotta be registered to preach.

Cause its good to be on lists.

Just thought this was deserving a note, here in this thread.

The Egyptian government probably wants to know if they're preaching terrorism to the flock, a terrorism that threatens the established governing order. This is an active threat in Egypt since they removed that Muslim Brotherhood member from Presidency. A religion with weapons is a threat.

This is the Muslim Brotherhood logo

This sends a message to any that oppose their views.

This logo reminded me of the account in the bible where one of Jesus’ followers attempted to help him avoid capture by drawing out his sword and cutting someone’s ear off.

Its says in the Bible that ''God put it into their hearts to carry this out '' into the UNs heart[to destroy false religion ]to do this ! the beast being the Political and the harlot riding it in Revelation[being the religious element that prostitutes itself with the world, instead of being whole souled towards God] ,since religion has for thousands of years manipulated Politics, even now you see its a lot with the Pope the Jews etc always meeting with Politicians to ensure their own interests are looked after.Finally the Kings of the earth get fed up with religious manipulation and turn on the harlot destroying her completely .I believe this will most likely happen after world economic crash ,when all the countries of the earth financially ruined, will turn their attention to the religions of the earth and will envious and furious of the wealth they have accumulated [mostly from the common people ]an they will tear all these religions to pieces ,seize all their wealth and kill all the priests ,religious leaders etc and will be replaced with some other kind of worship designated by the U.N which has said its inherent in man the need to worship something,this will definately happen

brazenalderpadrescorpio
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

No offense, but obviously your zeal for Christmas inclined you to perceive the Witnesses as (in your words), "attend[ing] the party, stuff[ing] their faces, and tak[ing] the time off, nonetheless." It seems quite safe to say that, in this instance, passion clouded all reason. I'm pretty sure that when they were laughing at how excellent a time they were having, you honestly felt that they were laughing at their victory over YOU and Christmas.

No, you've got me wrong...I was just appreciating the irony.
While taking offense at the appellation, for the following reasons...
- Jesus commanded that we commemorate his death, not his birth.—Luke 22:19, 20.

-Jesus’ apostles and early disciples did not celebrate Christmas. The New Catholic Encyclopedia says that “"the Nativity feast was instituted no earlier than 243 [C.E.],"” more than a century after the last of the apostles died.

-There is no proof that Jesus was born on December 25; his birth date is not recorded in the Bible.

-We believe that Christmas is not approved by God because it is rooted in pagan customs and rites.—2 Corinthians 6:17. Link

...they had no problem enjoying the fruits of the celebration. Further, in removing the Christian aspect, the event was actually reduced to the leftovers of a pagan celebration.

A delicious irony, indeed.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


Actually to be honest with you, I do agree with you. I personally don't think that those Witnesses in that case were strong in their faith. I can't speak for what goes on in other parts of the world as regards the Organization, but I myself have not experienced anyone having such a "goat-like" attitude such as what you witnessed. I've experienced some less than thoughtful people who are Jehovah's Witnesses, but nothing to the extreme as your anecdote.

brazenalderpadrescorpio
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

Actually to be honest with you, I do agree with you. I personally don't think that those Witnesses in that case were strong in their faith. I can't speak for what goes on in other parts of the world as regards the Organization, but I myself have not experienced anyone having such a "goat-like" attitude such as what you witnessed. I've experienced some less than thoughtful people who are Jehovah's Witnesses, but nothing to the extreme as your anecdote.

Well, I could not help but note on the link I provided the following..."Although we choose not to celebrate Christmas ourselves, we respect each person’s right to decide for himself in this matter. We do not interfere in the Christmas celebrations of others." Let's just say it takes all kinds...

I saw this thread was active, I thought it might have something to do with this:

rt.com...

ya know irony and all...JW's believe religion will be banned/JW's banned in Russia

Not that this is new news, JW's, as has been mentioned before in this thread, are banned in several countries, however they (relatively recently) just got priveleges such as government recognition and freedom to preach back in Russia a couple decades back, now, looks like those priveleges are going away.

Funny thing about this though, along with Russias war on Islam...its not really an attempt to root out terrorists, as much as the Russian Orthodox Church trying to firm up its hold and place in the Government.

Russian Orthodox Church AKA Catholic Russia = Bad, very BAD

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Just an update on what we already know that will come to pass.

The UN has said that the Vatican should "immediately remove" all clergy who are known or suspected child abusers. The UN watchdog for children's rights denounced the Holy See for adopting policies which allowed priests to sexually abuse thousands of children. In a report, it also criticised Vatican attitudes towards homosexuality, contraception and abortion. The Vatican responded by saying it would examine the report - but also accused its authors of interference. A group representing the victims of abuse by priests in the US welcomed the report. In its findings, the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child (CRC) said the Holy See should open its files on members of the clergy who had "concealed their crimes" so that they could be held accountable by the authorities.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Next stop...

Interesting series of articles about this topic.

Is the un preparing to attack religion ?

Is the un a paper tiger or a sleeping lion ?

The un's coming attack on religion !

What I took away from this is that when the UN has a standing army in place with soldiers loyal to the blue helmet brigade rather than their own country watch out.

Watch out! You've been warned - in advanced!!!

Yet it was said that this was a hoax from the get go.

from page 1:

Alert: Listeners and Readers: The UN was contacted and they say this is a HOAX!

A draft resolution which aims to secure global peace and stability at the expense of organized religion is today being submitted to the United Nations in New York.

www.thepowerhour.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Of course why would the UN not say it's a HOAX?

To them it's a HOAX because they don't know what they are about to do.

Signs are all over the news now - Religion has a BIG target on it's back. And the UN will lead this targeting.

Defend the Vatican at the UN

Calling Catholics, Evangelicals, and All People of Goodwill

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Declaration in Support of the Holy See at the United Nations


Why the Petition?

The Vatican is under renewed attack by powerful forces that intend to silence its voice at the United Nations.

defendtheholysee.org...

a reply to: edmc^2


this post back on page 1 pretty much nailed it.

fwiw,

The Baha'i Faith and the United Nations - New World Order Today
www.nwotoday.com/ the-new-world-orders-history/ the-new-age-occult-and-secret-societies/ the-baha-i-faith-and-the-un
The goal of the Baha'i faith is for the world to become a single super-state with Baha'i as its religion - a One World Religion.

..why ban what can simply be redefined?

originally posted by: Volkgeister
I recently spoke to a friend about his time as a witness (he is no longer). And he told me something interesting. Apparently Witnesses believe the UN will ban religion and are preparing accordingly.

Here is a link to:
www.thepowerhour.com...

I am not sure of the validity of his claim, and would much appreciate the input of ATS members.

Cheers.

OMG, the UN human rights accords allow for all people to have freedom of religion.

I spend every week at the UN here in NY. All of this fear stuff about the org is out there.

originally posted by: UNIT76
a reply to: edmc^2

 

this post back on page 1 pretty much nailed it.

fwiw,

The Baha'i Faith and the United Nations - New World Order Today
www.nwotoday.com/ the-new-world-orders-history/ the-new-age-occult-and-secret-societies/ the-baha-i-faith-and-the-un
The goal of the Baha'i faith is for the world to become a single super-state with Baha'i as its religion - a One World Religion.

..why ban what can simply be redefined?

To my experience, the goal of the Baha'i faith is unity of faith through inclusiveness. I humbly submit that threats of anything more than that have been rectally sourced.

You have to wonder if this ISIS Caliphate issue doesn't give rise to empowerment of the UN to fight Muslim Religious radicals in multiple countries to start, and who knows what happens from there.

They are a great threat, but they have been building for a while sort of off the radar until recently, killing American journalists will do that.

ISIS

There Goal

The UN has treaties in place to stop that goal, interesting times.

My husband is actually an ex witness. Thank god he was disfellowshipped.
As my time studying in that terrible cult I came across them saying that the UN is the antichrist. Also the UN is believed to be one if the beasts that rise up in revelations. Although being out for over 3 years now I could see this as a possibility. Considering they change their beliefs every other day.

Although this is an older thread I would like to update some possible ideas regarding the UN goal of global unification and the role a unified religion would play into such a world view and mission. Deposing the global spiritual sovereignty and existence of "religion" actually makes sense, but using religion for the world government goal first makes even more sense.

That is, the use of religious error for the final world war cycle is very useful for this climax, imo. So JWs thinking the UN deposes "Babylon the Great" first is not prophetic (in the order of events JWs present) or logical or strategically viable. Taking religion down at the end of the cycle makes far more sense and is also in the prophecy JWs claim to use to make their own premature forecast in the first place.

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The world government planners getting rid of JWs (as an organization) FIRST is what makes more sense, and that will be the first bet I float out there that the rest of this also proceeds according to this rough forecast.

The events, imo, that will come on "The Worldwide Organization of Jehovah's witnesses" will begin this process, but JWs go down first in the Bethel corporate network, and imo, they will cancel their own ministry in the process.

It will not be the "end of the world" as the JW delusion now suggests, it will be the end of the Bethel global networks and the resource base of the physical JW ministry. Conveniently, JWs expecting the premature "the end" aids the cover of the real meaning of the removal of their religion first in a greater overall process and multi-year cycle that in the meantime uses other global religions to the maximum effect for that final cycle to world government.
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This is why, imo, global religions are useful in the final world war/tribulation cycle.

1. Religious Division is Useful for the Whole Cycle.

First off religious background, such as Christian vs. Islam, is the great pretext to continue to use which arose since the "Commie" USSR Cold War bogey-man was retired. Of course now ISIS/ISIL et al. AND Russia can be used together with the conglomerating new super "bogey man" the final cycle preparation is propping up. (Now a great religious AND political bi-polarity is globally present to be potentially used in tangent in the final cycle, imo.)

This means for world government purposes, it is best to continue the religious error and war aiding complex for use [during the whole final cycle]. JWs are nuts to think the UN planners and elites will remove religion JUST WHEN THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT OF RELIGIOUS DIVISION IS MOST USEFUL! Thus in logical terms JW and Bethel cleric system forecasts now make no strategic sense.

In fact getting rid of the JW Bethel organization makes more sense because they did have a theology [at one time] that could have explained the whole cycle, but Bethel is a UN DPI outreach UN NGO, so their internal goal is to no longer track the UN as prophecy and to not expose modern UN globalization developments since 1990. (This is why JWs have nothing to say about the UN since 1945 and why they were UN DPI co-promoters as UN NGO, and are still global "UN consultants" in other capacities. Internally Bethel is aiding the UN, imo. I mean what worse development do JWs need to see than Bethel being a "UN global promotions associate organization"? Bethel reality hidden in plain sight.);

2. Religious Assets are a Capital Boost Potential for Later.

Religions are a global ENORMOUS hard wealth store that can be most useful for global recovery use AT THE END OF THE CYCLE. Disrupting this wealth store as the final cycle begins, as JWs imply, is strategically illogical.

3. Religious Removal Aids World Peace Psychology.

Deposing world religious error complexes AIDS CREDIBILITY and global belief in the UN "world peace" potential as being real when it is most useful; when world government is actually being implemented. Religion and spiritual division and controversy (divide and conquer principle) aids world government development and presentation and are needed for all that development, imo, and thus they are removed when their whole function is complete, and the final function of psychologically aiding world peace believability is the end of the function requiring their removal to have its greatest effect. Thus deposing global religions at the end of the cycle will add credibility to the world peace goal, and religious massive global hard assets aid the global recovery final stage boost.

Thus like a "harlot", religions and the various divisions, error and confusion they promote is used to the full for the benefit of the final cycle and for helping establish world government and its global acceptance. Since JW leadership already "rides the wild beast" as UN NGO, they too are a harlot-like UN escort system anyways, merely aiding the downfall of the JW organization first (and from within), and creating a very handy theology based delusional error to sell that event to JWs as "the end of the world" to cover the whole meaning as long as possible.

(Thus it is very convenient JWs also just so happen to have a "self fulfilling prophecy" that already predictively programs Bethel's downfall as "prophecy fulfilling brothers!" and it can be used for deceptive purposes. All in all too many "convenient" anomalies are now present internal and external to the JW ministry, it is suspect for these reasons; expect weird events to come on Bethel first.)

Obviously in global developmental reality, we are at a required final globalization culmination cycle forming to run a number of YEARS, not "the end" quite as fast as JWs expect. This is why my bet is: JW Bethel organization goes down first, not "Babylon the Great" global religious empire. Religions as a whole are used for the whole final globalization cycle. Taking down JWs alleviates a potential problem of prophetic exposure later; for now JW "prophecy" is misarranged and misapplied to create a global JW hoax potential instead. Can that just be true and accidental at the same time? Imo it appears to be engineered.)

(Even in prophecy of Revelation 16:12-19 and Revelation 17:11-18 "Babylon the Great" is present deep into the final cycle, thus JWs are not seeing the final cycle forecast properly even in prophecy.);

JWs going down as an organization is a spiritual marker of said final cycle beginning activation, not ending as JWs will be expecting well premature of reality.

Thus when this develops, imo, you can tell JWs what is really going on, their "UN NGO" tryst certainly does not sit well with the God they claim exists that they claim to worship; you know, it has its own "karma" to run-in with the UN in the first place and it will have future serious consequences, imo.

(And therein lies the strategic beauty of internal Bethel operations aligning officially with the UN as UN NGO, Bethel sealed its own fate spiritually, at the same time revealing in the strategy the logic of taking JWs down first, and the good reason this may very well be the case in the near future. The theological "smokescreen" present in JW theology and drilled into their skulls provides the perfect "exit strategy" for a few billion in Bethel assets at the front end pillage. By the time it runs JWs are left in a hoax, it will not be the developments Bethel will have led JWs to believe, the world proceeds to world government.)

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

-There is no proof that Jesus was born on December 25; his birth date is not recorded in the Bible.

St. Mary got pregnant six months after St. Elizabeth got pregnant.

Luk 1:26 "In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary."

St. Elizabeth got pregnant in October

I happen to agree that they will eventually turn out to be right,but as far as i know its a turning on religion that they talk about and consequently say when they are touched as a body it will trigger armageddon once peace and security has been declared throughout the world.My reasoning on this is about watching a paper trail,inside knowledge for insiders,while they profess to be anything but .The roots as with the mormons is masonic in nature and i believe its all about fear,control and ultimately money whilst looking godly on the outside.The jw people are loving intelligent people on the whole but mind control works on anyone willing to listen.A recent aquisition of a telecom company plus a huge new building complex built and also a new tv online show should lead any critical thinker to the same conclusion.The governing body know the crack and they know they are home and dry with shed loads of cash ,telling the followers to think humble as they live it large with huge pensions and retirement funds.Whats funny as a child jw i asked why we didnt have a tv show like other christian networks,all the responce i got were basically "we would never do that its what wordly people do,god told us to go door to door ,he would never approve such a lazy and disrespectful way of spreading the truth".... now its almost funny if it wasnt so sad for all those trapped in a huge lie. oh ps first post here so hi all merry xmas xxx

a reply to: edmc^2

There is a abundant of information that you have presented. Since this thread started in 2004 there were a great majority saying that the UN has no authority nor will it ban religion & the prophecy that JW's were proclaiming was unimaginable. Now in 2015 10 years later there are some that has now changed their stance on the UN toppling religion. There has been a lot of interesting things that has taken place between the UN & religion. Is the UN making attacks on religion? Yes they are. On the issue of abuse & torture, quoted from an article in ''the Guardian'' May 5, 2014:

The Vatican ratified the treaty in 2002 and is required to undergo regular examinations of its record before the panel. In 2012, it submitted its initial report – 10 years late.

"We're hoping they [the CAT] will take a close look at this, and will be responsive to the issues we're raising," said Liliana Sepulveda of the Centre for Reproductive Rights, an international NGO with offices in the US, Asia and Latin America. "What we're trying to do is hold the Vatican to account for shaming and bullying women and girls for seeking essential reproductive healthcare."

Buoyed by the unprecedented savaging the UN committee for the rights of the child (CRC) gave the Holy See in February, advocates for the victims of clerical sex abuse are also lobbying the CAT panel to include the Vatican's handling of the scandal in its review.

In a written submission, the Centre for Constitutional Rights, acting on behalf of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (Snap), argues that by having failed to provide adequate redress for abuse victims or to properly punish perpetrators, the Vatican "has refused – and is still refusing – to uphold the core purpose of the CAT," namely to "make more effective the struggle against torture and other cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment or punishment throughout the world".

"Months ago, Vatican officials submitted a report to the CAT that makes no mention whatsoever of the rape, sexual violence and cover-ups within the church, which carry severe and long-lasting harm," said the CCR senior staff attorney Pam Spees in a statement. "But the CAT and international human rights law are clear: rape and other forms of sexual violence are recognised as torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, and the Vatican has fallen woefully short of its obligation to prevent and protect against these crimes."

The Vatican rejects this, insisting it has acted to stem the abuse, boost transparency, help victims and cooperate with civil authorities where necessary. Pope Francis has asked victims' forgiveness for the "evil" done by paedophile clergy, but has also backed the church's response, claiming in March that "no one has done more" to tackle child abuse.

In its initial report to the CAT, the Holy See denounces torture and ill-treatment "inadmissible and inhuman" and says that it manifests its "moral authority" with other countries in order to try to stop it.

But it maintains that under the convention it is bound to have responsibility only for the territory over which it has jurisdiction, the Vatican City State, and in effect cannot be held responsible for the actions of Catholic clergy throughout the world.

In February the church's hierarchy reacted with fury when the previous UN panel not only strongly criticised its record on the sex abuse scandal but also singled out the ways in which it said children worldwide were suffering from Catholic teachings, including the church's stance on abortion and artificial birth control. The Vatican denounced what it saw as an attempt to interfere with its teaching and freedom of religion.

For this second UN grilling, Catholic organisations have mobilised to urge the CAT not to repeat the "unauthorised and illiberal actions" of the first committee. "To protect religious freedom and to avoid becoming inextricably and perpetually entangled in debates over the propriety of certain Catholic teachings and practices, the CAT should refrain from repeating this unfortunate mistake," said James Kelly of the Solidarity Centre for Law and Justice in a written submission.

"Otherwise, the committee runs the risk of establishing its own views on moral issues as an 'official' religion in opposition to the Catholic faith."

Catholic Voices, an NGO which in February claimed the church had been "ambushed by a UN kangaroo court", urged the CAT not to give in to "ideological insatiability".

But their arguments do not wash with Sepulveda. "They've signed the convention and we think there should be accountability across the board," she said. "We respect religion and see the role it often plays in the spiritual lives of individuals. I myself am from Latin America and am a practising Catholic. But there is no excuse for torture and ill-treatment."

The attack on religion can possibly come from the meddling in the affairs of politics in the form of religious leaders in the US taunting the IRS based on their 501(c) exemption by daring it to try & stop them from endorsing or opposing & influencing the political races by their speaking from the pulpit while doing so. This is current law which can bar any religious group the tax free status which was set in place by LBJ & passed as law in 1954. Some have even gone as far as videotaping their endorsements & mailing them to the IRS in blatant defiance in a challenge.

Pulpit Freedom Sunday which started in 2008 is held annually in defiance of the government on speaking from the pulpit in defiance & breaking the law when religious organizations became recognized by the IRS as tax free organizations. As of July 2014 more than 1,600 churches have deliberately broken the existing law since 2008. The churches have two opponents against them now & together these groups could force the feds to take action. The LGBT & atheist group the Freedom from Religion Foundation (FFRF).

Both have their own agenda against religion, the LGBT group has theirs in the form of same sex marriage discrimination on the grounds of civil rights violation of discrimination of gender. Atheists groups based on religious intolerance. As both groups push government is looking closely.

When churches signed these contracts they fully knew what to & what not to do that violates this law. Whatever the case mat be, the prophecy of the UN dealing religion a fatal blow is imminent & nothing nor no one can stop it. John ''Cougar'' Mellencamp said it best ...''I fight authority though they always win!''

Will the UN remove the religious influence as a voting member? The National Secular Society in an article entitled ''Catholic Church abuses its position at the UN'' in a 2004 article says: ''The Holy See deserves a voice a voice at the UN which is no louder than any other NGO''

HOW THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WANGLED ITS WAY INTO THE UNITED NATIONS - AND WHY MILLIONS ARE DYING AS A RESULT
Many questions have been raised about the role of the Catholic Church at the United Nations as a result of its high-profile and controversial role at international conferences. Participating as a full-fledged state actor in these conferences, the Holy See often goes against the overwhelming consensus of member sates and seeks provisions in international documents that would limit the health rights of all people, but especially women.
How did the Holy See, the government of the Roman Catholic church come to enjoy this privileged position - held by no other religion - that gives it a voice at international conferences on some of the most sensitive issues of our time? Is there a difference between the Holy See, Vatican City and the Roman Catholic church? In the context of the United Nations, is the Holy See a state or a religion?
The Holy See is the spiritual and temporal government of the Roman Catholic church. It consists of the pope, the Roman Curia - the various departments and institutes that assist the pope in running the church - and the College of Cardinals. The Holy See is the government of the Vatican City.
Vatican City is the temporal residence of both the Holy See and the Roman Catholic church. It is the world's smallest "city-state" at 108.7 acres. It houses the infrastructure of the Roman Catholic church: the pope's palace, St Peter's Basilica, offices and administrations services and libraries and archives. Vatican City was created in 1929 under a treaty signed between Benito Mussolini and Pietro Cardinale Gasparri, secretary of state to Pope Pius XI. The Lateran Treaty was designed to compensate the pope for the 1870 annexation of the Papal States, which consisted of 17,218 square miles in central Italy, and to guarantee the "indisputable sovereignty" of the Holy See by granting it physical territory.
According to Archbishop Hyginus Eugene Cardinale, a former Vatican diplomat who wrote the authoritative work on the Holy See and international relations, the Holy See "exists and operates within the international community as the juridicial personification of the Church."
The Roman Catholic church is a religious society with some 1 billion adherents worldwide, with the pope at its head.