Illinois illegally seizes bees resistant to Monsanto's Roundup; Kills remaining Queens, page 2

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 08:41 AM

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I think this man will get a gun.

Although doing something so evil, they deserve to suffer a looooong time and I wouldn't feel any remorse.

rickymouse

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by AlphaHawk
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Or, my friend, they know the severity of Foulbrood and acted accordingly.

That could be true. Foulbrood is a very bad thing but it seems to me that there would be evidence that it really exists. Maybe it was unfounded fear that caused things to happen here also.

EarthCitizen07

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 10:41 AM

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Hardely suprising as disappointing as it is. I bet monsato lobbyists were the ones that made sure bernie sanders gmo labeling scheme failed. Monsato appears to be financed by some extremely wealthy and evil backers. Its an octopus trying to spread its tentacles everywhere.

All the republicans voted against gmo labeling and the democratic vote was split.

Big business has had its hands on washington for decades. A government by the people and for the people my ass.

warrenite

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 10:54 AM

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HEY YOU GUYS!!
I just wanted to post an observation that I saw in the comments on Youtube"

Someone pointed out that Roundup is an HERBICIDE and has little effect on vertebrates and invertebrates. Therefore the idea that the bees are resistant to roundup is fairly meaningless. The commenter used the analogy "like saying ducks are resistant to pixie sticks." Whether it is really that innocuous would require some research, but I am always happy to hear when something depicted as unadulterated evil turns out to not really be so.

KyrieEleison

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 11:02 AM

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And those studies were performed by...

I'd be interested in seeing some honest, independent research... like this man here was doing ... (oh please, who am I kidding?)

KyrieEleison

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 11:26 AM

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reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Corporations are people my friend - the phrase retains its meaning.

loveguy

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 12:26 PM

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reply to post by KyrieEleison

Hi,
Source

Paenibacillus larvae Bacteremia in injection drug users.
Abstract
Paenibacillus larvae causes American foulbrood in honey bees. We describe P. larvae bacteremia in 5 injection drug users who had self-injected honey-prepared methadone proven to contain P. larvae spores. That such preparations may be contaminated with spores of this organism is not well known among pharmacists, physicians, and addicts.

Finding these findings seems rather futile....

What was the result?

..."and furthermore Susan; I think that all of them habitually smoke marijuana cigarettes"

sorry for that.

That bacterium poses more as a protectorate for the bees' as their bodies process the pollen?
Why don't the retards of humanity start culling all the alligators? They have real bad and nasty bacteria too.

edit on (5/29/1313 by loveguy because: retards of humanity

jrod

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 12:32 PM

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Why doesn't someone open fire on Monsanto?

I have a lot to live for, but if everything I had worked for was taken away or about to be taken away I would be forced to take drastic measure.

It is up to us the American people to openly declare war on Monsanto.

Firefly_

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 12:33 PM

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reply to post by Glassbender777

I will support Russian intervention where these monsters are concerned. Maybe we should all write to Putin and ask him to help us rid ourselves of these evil corporations and governments.

edit on 29-5-2013 by Firefly_ because: (no reason given)

jrod

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by KyrieEleison
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Corporations are people my friend - the phrase retains its meaning.

I hate this saying. Boats are often people in the legal sense for many reasons, one important reason being a boat can be arrested.

Never has a corporation been arrested.

stormcell

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by wiser3

Originally posted by KyrieEleison
reply to post by Puresk1lls

Is this constructive or even on-topic?

Look, I admitted my mistake and asked the mods to close the thread.

If it really bothers you that much is it possible for you to ignore it?

S&F
Thanks for this thread! Einstein (I think) supposedly said that if the bees died off mankind would only have a very limited amount of time left on earth! Four years? We cannot do the work that bees do! Bees are essential for the future of mankind!

Learn to ignore those that love to give advice but haven't quite got the meaning of more than one thread covering the same topic being allowed as long as they are in a different forum! Wannabe moderators! You will find that it is usually the same people who give the same advice over and over again! If the moderators choose to close the thread they will do so!
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You know what these corporate types are thinking:
"Just think of the money to be made from hiring Mexicans to do the work of pollinating plants, and if not them, robo-bees. Think of the money to be made from offering those services. Bees are just doing something for free that could be used to make a profit..."

Gohome1122

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 03:13 PM

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No way, corruption in Illinois. Looks to me like the word about pure honey is getting out there, and the medical field doesn't like that so much. The ag department works and meets with medical committees on a regular basis. Big government big money.

WilliamOckham

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 03:39 PM

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Ridiculous, if true.

People, start your own organic gardens and greenhouses! Save those seeds!! F--ck Monsanto!

defcon5

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 04:39 PM

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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Fact check this article against the opinions of other professional bee keepers, and you'll see why I almost instantly doubt any article coming from these “natural food” conspiracy sites:

BeeSource

It is obvious from the owner of the bees that he does not understand foulbrood and the action of the state probably saved many nearby hives owned by others. a sample was tested positive by beltsville and this is only one side of the story

I'm not ready to say whether the state had the right to remove and destroy Mr. Ingram's hives but he had ample notice from lab results foulbrood was detected in his equipment.

While it is true that foulbrood does not affect humans, it does affect bees. If he had a dead-out that was robbed he could easily spread (and appears he did) to the rest of his hives and also to feral bee populations.

They don't need a court order because of the state apiary act. He had months of advance warning to get a second opinion from a 3rd party and could have saved the queens and bought new woodware and package bees to maintain his genetics.

Terry himself admits to knowingly misleading, and allowing the existence of contaminated hives:
Praire Advocate

“When I was breeding my own bees, before they were killed by Round Up, I had foulbrood in one hive. I left it there all summer, just to see if the other hives would pick it up. They never did.

And a very telling comment by a member over there:

FOB:
Ok well if I was given a license to practice medicine 40 years ago then I shouldn't have to keep up with newer developments in medicine... No Mr Ingram should have known what he had, it was tested and if Mr Ingram knew anything about the disease then he certainly should have taken action himself. Aaaannd yes he has been teaching.. Selling equipment, potentially contaminating (chances are he has contaminated) other hives. Now if this is the case, and the Dep of ag is on a torching spree how come we haven't heard about anyone else's hives being torched? Why is that I wonder? The laws on these issues are clear, but Terry failed morally because of both his ego, and experience. He is worried about financial losses from selling diseased equipment, as well as his "good standing" in the beekeeping community (which by many accounts of experienced beekeepers he lost his marbles). The last point I would like to make is the irrelevant comparison to the bald eagles... I would like to see any research he's done in terms of documentation, any articles he has published with facts, numbers, and behavioral comparisons that can be validated by someone other than terry the bee god..

The fact is, that when you engage in various 'hobbies' or 'professions', you waive various rights in acquiring a license to practice them. That appears to be the case with beekeeping. You grant the state department of agriculture the right to inspect, confiscate, or destroy potentially infected items at their will. This is no different then the state culling herds for things such as “foot and mouth disease”. No warrant is issued, and no “day in court” required. These same rules apply to many “specialty” licenses.

The fact that the inspectors have to show up at his property with the sheriff department is also very telling as to his level of honesty and cooperation with the authorities on this matter.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

KyrieEleison

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 04:53 PM

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All this tells me is:

1) He obviously knows what Foulbrood is and how to detect it.

2) Regardless of what the owner says, or the authorities say, the evidence has been destroyed so nobody will ever know for sure. It makes the situation appear highly suspect, and also makes this and future incidents open to all kinds of politically-motivated abuse.

Couldn't they have kept even a small sample to effectively shut down any cause for complaint from this guy? I can't see how difficult it would have been. They took a huge amount of his stock - they could not have destroyed it ALL during their lab testing. Give me a break.

Again, quarantined and removed there is no further risk and it's pretty stupid to not engage in the preservation of said evidence until after the ruling is made.

Aloysius the Gaul

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 05:01 PM

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It's a total beat up, there is no actual involvement of Monsanto or Roundup at all, and the guy is a criminal for his lazy or ignorant or just plain criminal attitude to a major threat to bees - see the thread in Fragile Earth:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

note that the guy had 4 months to address the foulbrood (as I see the timeline) and did nothing, there were multiple tests of his bees that confirmed the disease, and all this talk of "the evidence has been destroyed" is exactly what you do with foulbrood - you do NOT keep it around!!

the Illinois authorities ran this by the book, and should be commended for their action - not slammed as is the AGTS habit for anything and everything to do with any "official" action.

Stop being ignorant people - start denying it by doing some actual research!!

Power_Semi

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by KyrieEleison
reply to post by defcon5

All this tells me is:

1) He obviously knows what Foulbrood is and how to detect it.

2) Regardless of what the owner says, or the authorities say, the evidence has been destroyed so nobody will ever know for sure. It makes the situation appear highly suspect, and also makes this and future incidents open to all kinds of politically-motivated abuse.

Couldn't they have kept even a small sample to effectively shut down any cause for complaint from this guy? I can't see how difficult it would have been. They took a huge amount of his stock - they could not have destroyed it ALL during their lab testing. Give me a break.

Again, quarantined and removed there is no further risk and it's pretty stupid to not engage in the preservation of said evidence until after the ruling is made.

They probably just threw them all on a bonfire.

Honestly some people are so utterly stupid, and sadly they seem to be the ones with the clipboards and the power, maybe it's a necessary trait so that they'll follow orders without thinking.

Can't keep bees without chemicals eh? How the bees must have struggled for the 60 odd million years before we started lacing them with God knows what.

WanderingThe3rd

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 05:05 PM

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I'm lost.... either you already had this thread 3 days ago from this site (Same name as thread tittle btw)

Or you stole it directly from GLP

Indigo5

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 05:10 PM

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reply to post by defcon5

Agreed.

I don't like Monsanto...at all...horrible sociapathic company...but that does not mean that I am obligated to accept this story and this man's near gibberish explanation as truth.

He had a diseased hive, was told the same, he refused to correct the issue, and the DNR eliminated his hive before he spread the disease to other bees and beekeepers.

Monsanto did not confiscate his "super-secret" research.

KyrieEleison

posted on May, 29 2013 @ 05:20 PM

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reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

Yep. A quarantined, confiscated sample is just a disaster waiting to happen and must be totally destroyed to ensure the safety of public health.

In my 10 years on the force I always made it a habit to destroy any evidence I collected at crime scenes, everyone just took my word for it and that was the end of the matter.

Everyone seems to be dodging the fact that once it was removed and quarantined the danger ceased to exist and there really was no reason whatsoever to completely destroy any and all evidence prior to the hearing.

I am a pragmatist. Had I been the official in this case, and the guy was truly a nutjob screaming bloody murder about nonsense you can BET I would hold on to every little bit of evidence I could to flat out prove that nothing shady was going on.

Seems to me this did not happen.

Let's just hide behind the idea that it was done "by the book" and all is well and good and move on, so when things like this happen again, and again, it won't look suspicious in the slightest.