World War III

The chance of a real, no holds barred confrontation between China and India are sooo remote.

1. Although China persists with territorial claims over some parts of India and there has been “clashes” in the past, these have been contained.
2. China would immediately lose all that lucrative trade to the Western democracies who would likely support a fellow democracy – India. The loss of trade would spell economic catastrophe for China and the place would implode.
3. Both nations have limited nuclear arsenals. Enough to make a mess, but not enough to avoid total f’ing destruction by the West and the rest of the international community should a nuke actually “fly”.
4. Neither country has the capability to occupy the other.

No one wins, except perhaps the Chinese people who would end up being released from their one-party dictatorship, as the entire Politburo would end up in the Hague. This is the reality and the reason why China and India would never fight.

Regards

reply to post by JoeP2247


Joe, a war like India/China cannot convert to a world war. It is a localized war by its very definition.

If you are looking for a world war, I do not see one starting before 2016.

It will definitely start in middle-east. It is possible that war spreads to other areas in Asia, Europe and Americas.

I do not see the war starting from India/China at all. However it may become one of the places where fighting takes place just like many other places in the world.

As it is predicted by many seers, nuclear weapons will be used in plenty as well as chemical and biological weapons. At least two third of the current population is predicted to perish directly or indirectly as a result of this war.

Millions will die even after the war due to lingering effects of the weapons used, and due to environment calamities triggered by multiple reasons. Many areas of the world will become non-livable for hundreds of years due to nuclear and other weapons use and pollutants released by industries etc during the war.

reply to post by JoeP2247


I think you're wrong -- since you asked, OP.

I particularly don't see why any such war will break out in the China/Burma/India region. The hot spots are the Middle East and the China/Korea/Japan region. I realize that India and China have warred in the last 50-60 years, but they both have nuclear weapons now, and I don't think they have a lot to fight over these days.

You're correct, however, in that wars often proceed large economic crises. But countries are a lot more interconnected economically these days too.

I'll just add that this is but another speculative WWIII thread in ATS, where it seems people are itching for wars and other apocalyptic events. Enjoy your salty biscuit party.

There will be no WW3.

It will be US vs US war. Militias vs DHS.
America has run out of weak countries to war with and have to do battles amongst themselves.
All those guns will come in handy. FEMA will be very busy.

reply to post by JoeP2247


Interesting and very well thought out, let us hope that if it goes that far the respective leaders and there generals don't go off the handle and realise that the other side is also nuclear armed maybe resolving there conflict through negotiated settlement before it gets that far, though negotiated settlement's also often end in a new war several years later as one side is always the self perceived victim of injustice.

No WWIII in our lifetime.

No civil war in the US either.

Why?

Globalisation.

Get used to it.

reply to post by LABTECH767


I can assure you that arm-chair generals will be disappointed if this WWIII happens.

US is likely to be the loser this time. This is called the "third time curse" in my parlance. US won last two. This is not the one.

The destruction in the US will be very very extensive and casualties will be very very high.

So hope that this war does not happen.

Do not count nuclear weapons of others. It does not help.

I am quite amused that some people on ATS want WWIII to be fought between India and China. It is so funny as there are no realistic reasons that are presented.

The real tinderbox is middle-east that has been on fire constantly for last 60+ years. And it is getting worse.

reply to post by GargIndia


Yes it is most likely in the middle east but I do not think the US will lose though they may suffer appalling casualty's, and it is even conceivable that India and China would unite in an economic and political mutually beneficial non aggression and alliance pact as long as the contentious issue of Pakistan and Kashmir are sorted out but at the moment it looks like china has surrounded India on three side's as well as sponsoring Maoist rebels in India so that is some way off, but the us has a Satellite shroud - a very great number of satellites that are military arms platforms and are capable of suppressing any county in the world but they will not use them unless they are attacked as they are technically non existent due to the fact they don't exist as for them to exist would be a serious breech of international treaty from the cold war era and Russia if it had genuine proof other than anonymous satellite platforms bigger than the ISS would have a hissy fit and go and sit in the corner not talking to them so in the interests of trade they don't notice and neither do I but believe me the yanks have none manned military capability beyond anything you would believe so the reckoning on conventional and nuclear weaponry is flawed, hell even the US citizens don't know what they have and as long as it is in good hands (not that I am claiming that) I am happy.

Do not judge the us by recent military history the last ALL OUT war was 1945 and that never included the American mainland but any war were foreign civilian casualty's and bad press are no longer a consideration they will win hands down.

Originally posted by JoeP2247I also observe that the monetary gains generated by the act of war ends the financial disaster most of the time.

Oh really? Where have you observed that? In what universe does death and destruction generate monetary gains?

Or perhaps you mean the complete obliteration of industrialized nations and the liquidation of their populations leaves a vacuum upon which economic activity can resume, which is mistaken for "growth." But in actuality is just a process of rebuilding from a massive economic loss.

There is no economic growth during a war, especially a world war. You don't grow the economy by blowing things up and killing people.

reply to post by Riposte


Your mistaken, The war replaces lack luster consumer reports with providing material to the war machine. Money is printed its not real its only assigned a value based upon the value of the country and what resources it has available Or in the USA,s case strong-arm tactics so it can assign the value it wants to of the dollar. That value can only be true if people believe it and its used. The war stimulates its use it has nothing to do with spending and everything to do with perception. The great depression of the us was corrected by WW2 by stimulating the flow of money and goods. Why do you think the poor are the first to get stimulated in a bad economy its because they dont manage their money and spend it fast thus stimulating the economy.

A good theory albeit based on a generalist template. Along with your (s)moldering issues left over from the previous Major War; ie "China/Burma/India" (Asia) we also had the Korean War which itself has left smoldering issues of its own. Re WWII there was the collapse of the Reichsmark via hyperinflation in the Weimar Republic which also provided a fertile environment for the rise of Hitler along with a cyclical nationalism to foster the National Socialist (Nazi) movement). In the case of the both the Bolchevik and Nazi move to preimmence there was the influence of international bankers to fund them. History does indeed rhyme....so we need to watch for commonalities.

reply to post by CosmicCitizen

IF WWIII is to be "planned" concomitant with a greater goal of world wide population reduction....then it makes sense that China/India will be a focal point as asia represents a great concentration of human population.

Dunno but the growing nationalism of chinese people in China concerns me they think differently than other ethnicity with their confucianism and ever since people says they're contender to become a superpower had made their heads more even bigger they're now sure they are the superior race above all races and all should kowtow to them.

It reminds me of Hitler's Germany...

I often wonder what is next after the "west" has its way and Syria and Iran fall. Venezuela? Will we turn our sights back to South America or will the other huge powers of China and Russia sit idle.

Looking at the situation now it appears as though China and India both are being fitted through pipelines to feed their energy consumptions in the future. At least that is the part of the world where jobs seem to be going.

Just arm chair quarterbacking but it seems ot me, that part of the world will be protected at all costs in the future since so much development in energy, manufacturing and employment (service) features are being developed there in a huge way.

Originally posted by Riposte

Originally posted by JoeP2247I also observe that the monetary gains generated by the act of war ends the financial disaster most of the time.

Oh really? Where have you observed that? In what universe does death and destruction generate monetary gains?

Or perhaps you mean the complete obliteration of industrialized nations and the liquidation of their populations leaves a vacuum upon which economic activity can resume, which is mistaken for "growth." But in actuality is just a process of rebuilding from a massive economic loss.

There is no economic growth during a war, especially a world war. You don't grow the economy by blowing things up and killing people.

"BUY WAR BONDS"

Google that phrase and see what comes up. I appreciate your idealist naivete, but you really should do a little bit of research on a topic before jumpping into a debate and throwing stones. Ciao.

Originally posted by LABTECH767
reply to post by GargIndia

 

Yes it is most likely in the middle east but I do not think the US will lose though they may suffer appalling casualty's, and it is even conceivable that India and China would unite in an economic and political mutually beneficial non aggression and alliance pact as long as the contentious issue of Pakistan and Kashmir are sorted out but at the moment it looks like china has surrounded India on three side's as well as sponsoring Maoist rebels in India so that is some way off, but the us has a Satellite shroud - a very great number of satellites that are military arms platforms and are capable of suppressing any county in the world but they will not use them unless they are attacked as they are technically non existent due to the fact they don't exist as for them to exist would be a serious breech of international treaty from the cold war era and Russia if it had genuine proof other than anonymous satellite platforms bigger than the ISS would have a hissy fit and go and sit in the corner not talking to them so in the interests of trade they don't notice and neither do I but believe me the yanks have none manned military capability beyond anything you would believe so the reckoning on conventional and nuclear weaponry is flawed, hell even the US citizens don't know what they have and as long as it is in good hands (not that I am claiming that) I am happy.

Do not judge the us by recent military history the last ALL OUT war was 1945 and that never included the American mainland but any war were foreign civilian casualty's and bad press are no longer a consideration they will win hands down.

edit on 27-5-2013 by LABTECH767 because: (no reason given)

The prophecy is USA will lose this time.
We have a tendency to over-estimate role of technology in war.
USA will win in localized wars. Its win is not guaranteed in a global war.

See I am not the prophet. And I have no personal interest in saying this. I am saying words of somebody else, but whatever this prophet says comes true.

India will come out intact as a political entity but will suffer a lot of deaths and devastation just like other countries.

reply to post by Shaiker


Commerce is not impacted in a localized or regional war. So there is some merit in sudden increase in demand after a war.

However that wont be the case in a world war. Commerce will almost stop and there will be acute shortages during the war. Rebuilding will be hampered after the war due to destroyed factories and missing manpower.

The society will take decades to recover after a world war III.

I pray daily that such a war does not happen. I see no merit in such a war.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by JoeP2247

 

I believe Dimitru Duduman has had the most accurate dreams and visions about WWIII:


DIMITRU DUDUMAN’S VISIONS
CHINA AND RUSSIA ATTACK CONUS:

www.handofhelp.com...

There are a number of other similar related docs at the parent link of that page.

CHINA AND RUSSIA

A Vision Received by Brother Dumitru Duduman April 22, 1996

I prayed, then went to bed. I was still awake, when suddenly I heard a trumpet sound. A voice cried out to me, "Stand!"

In my vision, I was in America. I walked out of my home, and began to look for the one who had spoken to me. As I looked, I saw three men dressed alike. Two of the men carried weapons. One of the armed men came to me. "I woke you to show you what is to come." He said. "Come with me."

I didn't know where I was being taken, but when we reached a certain place he said, "stop here!"

A pair of binoculars was handed to me, and I was told to look through them.

"Stand there, don't move, and look," he continued. "You will see what they are saying, and what they are preparing for America."

As I was looking, I saw a great light. A dark cloud appeared over it. I saw the president of Russia, a short, chubby man, who said he was the president of China, and two others. The last two also said where they were from, but I did not understand. However, I gathered they were part of Russian controlled territory. The men stepped out of the cloud.

The Russian president began to speak to the Chinese one. "I will give you the land with all the people, but you must free Taiwan of the Americans. Do not fear, we will attack them from behind."

A voice said to me, "Watch where the Russians penetrate America."

I saw these words being written: Alaska; Minnesota; Florida.

Then, the man spoke again, "When America goes to war with China, the Russians will strike without warning."

The other two presidents spoke, "We, too, will fight for you." Each had a place already planned as a point of attack.

All of them shook hands and hugged. Then they all signed a contract. One of them said, "We're sure that Korea and Cuba will be on our side, too. Without a doubt, together, we can destroy America."

The president of Russia began to speak insistently, "Why let ourselves be led by the Americans? Why not rule the world ourselves? They have to be kicked out of Europe, too! Then I could do as I please with Europe!"

The man standing beside me asked, "This is what you saw: they act as friends, and say they respect the treaties made together. But everything I've shown you is how it will REALLY happen. You must tell them what is being planned against American. Then, when it comes to pass, the people will remember the words the Lord has spoken."

Who are you?" I asked.

"I am the protector of America. America's sin has reached God. He will allow this destruction, for He can no longer stand such wickedness. God however, still has people that worship Him with a clean heart as they do His work. He has prepared a heavenly army to save these people."

As I looked, a great army, well armed and dressed in white, appeared before me.

"Do you see that?" the man asked. "This army will go to battle to save My chosen ones. Then, the difference between the Godly and the ungodly will be evident."

Excepted from:
Dreams and Visions From God
Copyright © 1994, 1996, 2000

scary stuff if true ...I guess anything is possible thanks for the link

Great post OP, but if there is any area that wasn't really sorted out it has to be the Middle E.

WW4 if there was going to be one would be in a few hundred years in Africa. There, just about every country was delineated according to Western needs not demographic realities. Africa would remain largely untouched in a nuclear exchange and it would be the most likely area to develop economically again. Furthermore their culture and family unit remains largely intact.

WW3 will occur after the caldera at Yellowstone erupts. In the aftermath countries will be scrambling for resources at all costs to stave off the declining planetary temperatures.

Hmm yeah, just as plausible as all of the other scenarios being listed.