The truth about Islam

I know not what course others may take; but as for me -- give me liberty or give me death!~Patrick Henry

In the name of Justice and Freedom; in defiance of tyranny, despotism, cruelty, intolerance, hate, persecution and inequality; in the hope of prosperity and peace if not for us for our children and children's children; in defense of the land who's Founders established a beacon of hope for the oppressed.

For 1400 years the lands of Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all other manners of worship have been under seige by followers of Muhammad, the terrorist, the pirate, the rapist, the pedophile. Throughout this time, anywhere Islam and other religions have come together the record of peaceful co-existence is far outweighed by the record of human catastrophe. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence, not just in the actions of Moslems throughout history, but in their own scriptures which teach us their violence and hate are sanctioned by none other than All�h Himself, we have slept through this storm as it approached us. Though over the horizon the lightning struck and the thunder rumbled, we closed our eyes and covered our ears and left our house unprotected.

This is our message to the kafir, who wishes to protect his birthright, and remain free:

On September 11 our house met the full front of that storm and we are now faced with the startling reality that this war did not begin on that black Tuesday morning but has been ongoing since the angel Jibrael supposedly appeared to Muhammad with the call to prophecy.

No one can argue today these three facts that are called for by All�h and etched forever in the pages of history; we will list them as a reminder:

First, God All�h commands that Muslims fight in His cause (jih�d) until only He is worshipped. What is jih�d? Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hal�l� and Muhammad Muhsin Kh�n add the following footnote to verse [002.190] of the Qur'�n:

Al-Jih�d (holy fighting) in All�h�s Cause (with full force of numbers and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars (on which it stands). By Jih�d Islam is established, All�h�s Word is made superior (His Word being L� ilaha illall�h which means none has the right to be worshipped but All�h), and His religion (Islam) is propagated. By abandoning Jih�d (may All�h protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jih�d is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries to escape from this duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfill this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite.

The Qur'�n teaches us:

[002:193] And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with All�h) and (all and every kind of) worship is for All�h (alone).
[003:151-152] We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they joined others in worship with All�h, for which He had sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust. And All�h did indeed fulfil His Promise to you when you were killing them (your enemy) by His permission.
[004:101] Surely the disbelievers are ever unto you open enemies.
[005:033-034] The recompense of those who wage war against All�h and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the hereafter. Except for those who (having fled away and then) came back (as Muslims) with repentence before they fall into your power; in that case, know that All�h is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
[005:051] O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliy�' (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Auliy�' of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Auliy�'), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, All�h guides not those people who are Z�lim�n (unjust).
[008:012-013] (Remember) when your Lord revealed to the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike off their heads and strike off all their fingertips and toes. This is because they defied and disobeyed All�h and His Messenger. And whoever defies and disobeys All�h and His Messenger, then verily, All�h is severe in punishment.
[009:005] Then when the sacred months have past, then kill the Mushrik�n (idolators, polytheists, disbelievers in the Oneness of All�h, pagans) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in every ambush. But if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them. Verily All�h is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
[009:014] Fight them, All�h will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.
[009:073] O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.

All�h looks down upon Muslims who are able to fight in jih�d but do not:

[009.038-39] O you who believe! What is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the cause of All�h (Jih�d) you cling heavily to the earth? Are you pleased with the life of this world rather than the Hereafter? But little is the enjoyment of the life of this world compared to the Hereafter. If you march not forth, He will punish you with a painful torment and will replace you by another people.
[009.041] March forth, whether you are light (being healthy, young and wealthy) or heavy (being ill, old and poor), and strive hard with your wealth and your lives in the Cause of All�h. This is better for you, if you but knew.
[009:081] Those who were left behind rejoiced at sitting still behind the Messenger of All�h; they hated to strive and fight with their properties and their lives in the cause of All�h, and they said: Go not forth in the heat! Say: "The fire of hell is more intense in heat"; if only they could understand!
[008:015-016] O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve in a battlefield, never turn your backs to (flee from) them. And whoever turns his back to them on such a day-- unless it be a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)-- he indeed has drawn upon himself wrath from All�h's. And his abode is hell, and worst indeed is that destination!

There can be no peaceful co-existance with an ideology that commands that unbelievers must be killed or taken captive unless they convert. Muslims may not make friends of unbelievers. Therefore how can we welcome them into our society? Islam also teaches us that in order to achieve victory in jih�d, Muslims may lie and swear false oaths that they have no intent of keeping. The tactic is known as taquiya, or takeyya [1], the Islamic principle of lying for the sake of Allah. It is written:

[002:225] All�h does not call you to account for what is vain in your oaths, but He will call you to account for what your hearts have earned, and All�h is Forgiving, Forbearing.
[003:028] Let not the believers take the unbelievers as Auliy�' (supporters, helpers) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by All�h in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them.
[021:052-063] When he (Abraham) said to his father and his people: What are these images to whose worship you cleave? They said: We found our fathers worshipping them. He said: Certainly you have been, (both) you and your fathers, in manifest error. They said: Have you brought to us the truth, or are you one of the triflers? He said: Nay! your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, Who brought them into existence, and I am of those who bear witness to this: And, by Allah! I will certainly do something against your idols after you go away, turning back. So he broke them into pieces, except the chief of them, that haply they may return to it. They said: Who has done this to our gods? Most surely he is one of the unjust. They said: We heard a youth make mention of them, who is called Abraham. Said they: Then bring him before the eyes of the people, perhaps they may bear witness. They said: Is it thou who hast done this to our gods, O Abraham? He said: "Nay, their chief hath done it. So question them, if they can speak."
[Sirat Rasul All�h(p 365)]*: "Then he composed amatory verses of an insulting nature about the Muslim women. The apostle said - according to what Abdullah Burda told me, - "Who will rid me of Ibnu'l-Ashraf?" Maslama said, "I will deal with him for you, O apostle of God, I will kill him." He said, "Do so if you can." So Maslama returned and waited for three days without food or drink, apart from what was absolutely necessary. When the apostle was told of this he summoned him and asked him why he had given up eating and drinking. He replied that he had given him an undertaking and he did not know whether he could fulfill it. The apostle said, "All that is incumbent upon you is that you should try." He said, "O apostle of god, we shall have to tell lies." He answered, "Say what you like, for you are free in the matter."
[size=0]*by Ibn Ishaq, the earliest known biographer of the Prophet Muhammad

How can we trust Muslim members of our society who have a divine mandate to decieve and lie in order to subdue their enemies into a false sense of security, especially when their religion teaches us that such friendships are forbidden? How can we know where their true allegiance really lies? This lesson is taught to us through the example of the September 11 hijackers, who shaved their beards, wore jewelry, gambled and consumed alcohol in order to appear less Islamic.

Second, Muslims, whenever they have been able, have never refrained from spirited adherance to these commandments from God. That is because there is no room for interpretation on what these commandments mean or their significance. They come from All�h the Most High, and anyone who denies even a single verse in the Qur'an is considered an apostate; Muhammad has decreed that apostasy be punished by death. Therefore there can be no negotiation with such an enemy, no compromise, since to ask a Muslim to do so is to ask him to disobey his god, and invite upon himself humiliation, pain, and death in this life and horrible torment in the hellfire.

Third, Islamic encroachment on our society is a threat to the liberty we have enjoyed for two and a quarter centuries and scores of millions of Americans have shed their blood to protect. Those who are allowed to live by the Muslim conquerer would be subject to oppression and humiliation. Life would be granted only for the purpose of income for their masters through payment of the jizya. Our women will become second-class citizens subject to violence by their "husbands". Muslims have a mandate from God to rape women who've they've taken slaves, and commit acts of pedophilia as mandated by the prophet's own example in the hadith. It is written:

[009:029] Fight against those who (1) believe not in All�h, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which hath been forbidden by All�h and His Messenger, (4) nor acknowledge the religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) of the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
[004:034] Men are in charge of women, because All�h hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which All�h hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge (beat) them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! All�h is ever High, Exalted, Great.
[038:044] And (it was said unto him): Take in thine hand a branch and smite (her) therewith, and break not thine oath.
[004:024] Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has All�h ordained for you.
[Sahih al Bukhari 7:62:64] Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

These words give us pause because they are the commandments to all Muslims by their god, and the enlightened path as set forth by the example of his prophet, who was unerring. The word of God (the Qur'�n) and the examples of His messanger (the hadith) are tought today in America, and are a call to arms by America's enemies, both from without and from within:

'As for the second question that we want to answer: What are we calling you (America) to, and what do we want from you?

(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam...the religion of Jih�d in the way of All�h so that All�h's Word and religion reign Supreme.' ~Osama bin Laden (al Qaeda)[2]

And:

'We will replace the Bible with the Koran.'~Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohamed (al-Muhajiroun, UK)[3]

And:

'We are ALL supporters of Hamas. Allahu Akhbar!'~Abdurahman Alamoudi (American Muslim Council) [4]

On that basis, in the interests of the survival of our great Republic, we issue the following fatwa to all who solemnly pledge allegiance to the United States of America:

With respect to Muslims who are already citizens of the United States:

Because the Constitution protects its citizens from government intervention in manners of worship, there is little that can be done legally to curb their activities, except to keep a watchful eye. The government must reserve the right to infiltrate and observe Islamic groups, particularly mosques, especially since many of these institutions were established and influenced by Saudi Arabia, the epicenter for Islamic fundamentalism (Wahhabism) in the world. Those Americans found in collaboration with international terror groups must at the very least have their citizenship revoked and be deported.

The average American, armed with this knowledge, must abide by the adage that we must keep our friends close and our enemies closer. Therefore do not turn your backs on Muslims. Do not resist their friendship. Do not provoke or carry out acts of hate against them. However, all the while, keep in mind what you know about the god they worship and the man they believe was his messanger. In all possible instances the truth about Islam must be pointed out to them, even if it invites scorn upon yourself.

In an age of religious tolerance for Islam and the whitewashing of Islamic scripture and attrocities attributed to it, those of us with knowledge of Islam who commit ourselves to defeat its jihad must be prepared to be villified for speaking the truth. The politically-correct will label you unpleasant names, such as racist and bigot. You will be largely ignored save for the interested few who, like ourselves, are reluctant to take conventional wisdom at face value.

With respect to potential Muslim visitors and immigrants:

The flow of Islamic immigrants from abroad, especially but not limited to totalitarian Islamic states where fundamental Islam is enforced and violent anti-Westernism is preached, must be dammed. We must recognize the fact that by our very nature we are enemies of Islam and there is nothing that can be done to rectify this.

The only way to force Islam into an examination of itself is to deprive it of its influence. Their revenues--which are almost exclusively limited to petrolium--must be cut off. Alternative sources of oil or energy technologies must be cultivated so that the Muslim world may be severed from influence of any kind. Without oil, which is not merely a source of revenue but a weapon of economic and political warfare, Islam will have no choice but to re-examine its worth, as the inevitable suffering of the Muslim people will leave them with the inescapable conclusion that either God has forsaken them or that they were wrong about God all along. The latter conclusion would be preferable, since, knowing what is written in the Qur'an and Who its supposed source is (God), there is no logical reason to conclude that there will ever be a peaceful co-existance between the Umma and the infidel so long as Islam exists. Either Islam must go the way of Egyptian, Greek, and Roman mythology, or the infidels will either die, convert, or subject themselves to dhimmi ("protected") status and abject oppression and humiliation.

This is our message to the hanif, whose intention we cannot discern:

If you are true of faith, be aware. The truth of your god and prophet's intentions are known to us, and for those who are unaware we will make them aware. However if you, in spite of your god's own commandments, are pure of heart and intention, we call on you to reject your faith, realize the true motives of your "prophet", and recognize that the god he created is but a means to an end, that that end is only to loot and plunder riches, to exploit and rape women, to punish those who dare oppose, and to acquire dominion over all.

Americans will not be your slaves.

**NOTE** All Qur'�nic verses are linked to the University of Souther California's online Qur'�n. However, the translations I've used here are taken from Interpretation of the Meanings of the Noble Qur'�n In the English Language by Dr Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hal�l� and Dr Muhammad Muhsin Kh�n of the Islamic University in Medina, Saudi Arabia. Many of their interpretation's vary from online translations.

This document can also be found here for future reference.

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis
I know not what course others may take; but as for me -- give me liberty or give me death!~Patrick Henry.

The Truth about Patrick Henry:
"He owned 66 plantation slaves" from link

Give me Liberty or Give me Death, huh?
Unless you're black.

Originally posted by quango
The Truth about Patrick Henry:
"He owned 66 plantation slaves" from link

Give me Liberty or Give me Death, huh?
Unless you're black.

That's all you read?

If that's how you feel, then let the Jihad continue.

Orioginally posted by Ibn Iblis

The Truth About Islam

Yes, well quite.

Not the best introductionary post I have ever seen. Still, allow me to welcome you, ableit tentatively, to ATS.

mindfilter.net...

That's all you read? That explains things.

Jack

[edit on 6/11/04 by JAK]

Introductionary is not a word.

And that's not all I read; that's my site. I own it.

Any more stupid comments?

Originally posted by cstyle226
If that's how you feel, then let the Jihad continue.

That's not how I "feel", that's how it is. That's what is written in the Muslim texts, and if you think you can just tell them "I hate America" when they capture you and that will make them be nice to you...LOL.

You'll be the first one they gut like a pig.

do you seriously believe that muslims hold any significant power over americans???

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis
Introductionary is not a word.

My most sincere apologies Ibn Iblis, I meant introductory. Thank you for your polite help. You are a shining example of two of mans greatest qualities - help and tolerance.

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis
And that's not all I read; that's my site. I own it.

Really? You don't say, well I am shocked.

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis
Any more stupid comments?

My 'stupid comment' as you so eloquently put it, was in reference to your own asinine remark:

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis

Originally posted by quango
The Truth about Patrick Henry:
"He owned 66 plantation slaves" from link

Give me Liberty or Give me Death, huh?
Unless you're black.

That's all you read?

Perhaps I should have presumed from your post that you may be unable to grasp certain things with the ease that so many of us take for granted.

I believe this may be of interest to you.
No advertising of your personal or other websites until you have been a contributing member for at least 60 days.


Jack

Originally posted by Ashlar
do you seriously believe that muslims hold any significant power over americans???

At this moment in time, no.

But there is a massive campaign by the Sauds to Islamize America. They are building mosques all over the country, and Islamic centers in our universities. They are in our jails recruiting criminals. And in these mosques and colleges and jails they are not teaching "moderate" Islam they are teaching fundamental Islam--Wahhabism, which is essentially everything about Islam that I quoted above.

It's the spread of Islam through jihad. It's a common misconception that the lower jihad--holy war--must be violent. The Qur'an specifies that it is not entirely necessary to wage jihad by the sword. "Spending of your means" is also jihad, and that is how the Sauds and many, many Muslims fight it.

To get a sense of how they're doing this, I suggest you read this:

www.chroniclesmagazine.org...

[edit on 6-11-2004 by Ibn Iblis]

Originally posted by JAK

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis
Introductionary is not a word.

My most sincere apologies Ibn Iblis, I meant introductory. Thank you for your polite help. You are a shining example of two of mans greatest qualities - help and tolerance.

Don't patronize me. You didn't read my post, you just decided to mock me, and you got stomped for it. Next time, just read, and if you have nothing constructive to offer in rebuttal, then don't post.

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis
And that's not all I read; that's my site. I own it.

Really? You don't say, well I am shocked.

You're also boring.

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis
Any more stupid comments?

My 'stupid comment' as you so eloquently put it, was in reference to your own asinine remark:

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis

Originally posted by quango
The Truth about Patrick Henry:
"He owned 66 plantation slaves" from link

Give me Liberty or Give me Death, huh?
Unless you're black.

That's all you read?

Perhaps I should have presumed from your post that you may be unable to grasp certain things with the ease that so many of us take for granted.

I believe this may be of interest to you.
No advertising of your personal or other websites until you have been a contributing member for at least 60 days.


Jack

The remark was not assinine. The quote he decided to take from my post was the first sentence, and had nothing to do with the gist of the actual post, leading me to believe he didn't even read the post.

It's typical of an ignorant person who thinks he's smarter than everyone but can't respond to a coherent argument that conflicts with what he thinks he knows. But I digress...

[edit on 6-11-2004 by Ibn Iblis]

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis

Originally posted by Ashlar
do you seriously believe that muslims hold any significant power over americans???

At this moment in time, no.

But there is a massive campaign by the Sauds to Islamize America. They are building mosques all over the country, and Islamic centers in our universities. They are in our jails recruiting criminals. And in these mosques and colleges and jails they are not teaching \"moderate\" Islam they are teaching fundamental Islam--Wahhabism, which is essentially everything about Islam that I quoted above.

It\'s the spread of Islam through jihad. It\'s a common misconception that the lower jihad--holy war--must be violent. The Qur\'an specifies that it is not entirely necessary to wage jihad by the sword. \"Spending of your means\" is also jihad, and that is how the Sauds and many, many Muslims fight it.

To get a sense of how they\'re doing this, I suggest you read this:

www.chroniclesmagazine.org...

[edit on 6-11-2004 by Ibn Iblis]

about your friends and keeping your enemys closer?

I can buy into the saudis(hello osama)..

I have to disagree with this even though this is not the case these days the islamic religion did more good for the world thank chrisitans in the past. Many books that were burnt by the church were preserved by muslims.

Its not about the religion its about the people if everyone followed religions rules there would be no problems the porblems are with societys.

OK. A last reply here because I have see your ilk here many time in differing guises.

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis
The quote he decided to take from my post was the first sentence, and had nothing to do with the gist of the actual post, leading me to believe he didn't even read the post.

Another member decides to comment on your posts headline quote, and you slate them. Immediately, and with astounding insight, realising that they didn't read any further.

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis

Don't patronize me. You didn't read my post, you just decided to mock me, and you got stomped for it.

Actually, my initial post was meant to be a tentative welcome, tentative due to the nature of your first and second posting here. Perhaps you should, next time, try doing more than "...just read" and engage your brain.

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis
It's typical of an ignorant person who thinks...

Yes, thank you very much. As I stated above, seen before in many different guises.

Goodbye,

Jack

Originally posted by Fitzpatrick
I have to disagree with this even though this is not the case these days the islamic religion did more good for the world thank chrisitans in the past. Many books that were burnt by the church were preserved by muslims.

Its not about the religion its about the people if everyone followed religions rules there would be no problems the porblems are with societys.

You should be thankful that most Muslims don't "follow the rules". Islam commands that only Allah has the right to be worshipped and anyone who worships other gods are "the vilest of beasts in Allah's site", descendents of "apes and pigs", and must be killed. I think I document this conclusively in the post above, which are verses from their own sacred texts. The Qur'an is the word of god to the Muslim, and god tells them to kill us.

If a billion Muslims listened to their god we'd have serious problems.

Originally posted by JAK

Yes, thank you very much. As I stated above, seen before in many different guises.

Goodbye,

Jack

laTa

Very good research, I'm impressed...

It is important however to understand that the "terrorists" who are involved in acts like 9/11, Jakarta Embassy bombing and many others principally funded by Saudi interests. Saudi Arabia has recently been reaconed to own 8% of the American Economy, and no doubt has large interests in many western ecomonies, Oil is currently at it's most expensive price ever, so it's clear to even the most casual observer that, the whole "Jihad" is at least in part based on economic interest.

As Mohummad placed the great seal on the Koran the contents have not changed since it was written, so the question is not so much "Are they out to get us?", because as you so eloquently stated, of course they are. The question is "why now, and how".

Why now, because hybrid motor vehicles and alternative power generation are coming of age and will in the next 15-30 years fossil fuels will become outlawed by the sucssessor of the Kyoto proticols. Saudi Arabia needs to become financially independent of fossil fuel revenues by then, and let me suggest they are capable of persuing any and all courses of action to acheive this goal.

If Osama Bin Laden has proven anything, it is the ability to bolster support in the west for conservative governments whose economic policies best support Saudi investments and oil revenues, and to boost government funding of the military industrial complex which is said to cost 30% of the total American tax bill.

Didn't you think it was fortuitous for Bush that Osama made his last announcement so close to the US Federal election, or that the Australian Embassy was bombed several weeks before the AUS federal election. Is it indeed possible for Islamic terrorist organisations to act in a manner which compromises Saudi business interests.

I totally respect your discource on the nature of Islam, and that may well affect the general demeanor of the common man in the arabic world, but your Osama Bin Ladens are not a part of that equation.

These men are highly educated, well trained, highly paid soldiers of fortune whose actions will largely determine who will be elected in the West, the conposition and amounts of government spending and play an increasing role in determining the highest acheivable barrel price for oil.

The whole Islamic connection is critical to the successful deployment of this strategy of market manipulation, as is a Texan oil magnate running a fossil fuel dependant America.

Is this not double standards you brand Islam asevil for there command to kill non-believers but totally ignore that the bible has a similar and far worse command. If one man in a village worships a false god let the entire village burn to the ground. Or some thing to that effect (I cant remember the actual quote).

[edit on 6-11-2004 by Elfwood]

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis

Originally posted by quango
The Truth about Patrick Henry:
"He owned 66 plantation slaves" from link

Give me Liberty or Give me Death, huh?
Unless you're black.

That's all you read?

That's all he read because that post is garbage worthy of the dumpster.

I can't count how many times those "I hate Islam even though I don't know anything about it" posts has been recycled on ATS. It's been repeated 100 and refuted 100 times.

I do have to admit I love the intellectual giants of ATS. Whole lot of yadda yadda. Sounds impressive but is very flat in spirit. Always seems to turn into a "I know more than you nanny nanny boo boo" duel of brain matter.

Genisis 3 verse 22 the infamous 322 curse is upon thee.