Police respond to 'serious incident' in Woolwich

reply to post by xavi1000

Originally posted by xavi1000
Butchering in broad day light is very serious violence against a person not some casual murder on London streets.

Casual murder?

Seriously?

Originally posted by xavi1000
I hate definitions also but it is what it is

Yes, and what it is, is murder.

Not a casual one, mind.

reply to post by xavi1000


So the guy who murdered April Jones was a terrorist ......

Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by Dutcheagle

 

I actually mentioned two posts ago that his name was Lee Rigby.

At least we know his name unlike so many Afghanistan and Iraq who have been reduced to faceless "militants."

Sad.

That is not true. The innocent always have a name, they are always mourned by their loved ones, they have a face and their picture is often on the news & display in their countries. So please, let people mourn 'ours or theirs' without making these silly comparisons. Do you think an Afghani family says - oh well our child died but another one in America died too ?

By mentioning others in this context you are taking away from people who really feel sad about soldier Rigby.

reply to post by seabhac-rua

The problem with 'tolerance and acceptance' is that it ought to be a 2 way street, and it's not, that's why it doesn't always work.

No, the problem is you cannot legislate "niceness" as a certain crowd is trying to do. In fact they have also ruined the very best method for creating niceness, and that is to override parental authority by the Supreme State. You see, they own this mess by asserting that the State knows better than the parent and they substituted the parents with the values of the State in the schools. Try as they might, the Almighty State will never create the perfect Utopia they desire to force on everyone.

And I can assure you that people are a lot less nice now than they were just a few decades ago. But you cannot fill the heads of impressionable youth with myriad images of killing, murder, sexual depravity and the most vile things that show up on the silver screen, then remove parental values and replace with some sanitized State version and expect them to grow up balanced.

reply to post by Exitt

That is not true. The innocent always have a name, they are always mourned by their loved ones, they have a face and their picture is often on the news & display in their countries. So please, let people mourn 'ours or theirs' without making these silly comparisons. Do you think an Afghani family says - oh well our child died but another one in America died too ? By mentioning others in this context you are taking away from people who really feel sad about soldier Rigby.

You completely and utterly missed my point. It's not a "silly" comparison in the slightest. Like I said you missed my point and just completely turned it around. I suggest reading it again. Thank you.

reply to post by Exitt

The innocent always have a name

And what do you mean by saying the innocent always have a name? Does that mean the guilty don't?

Many people have been killed in Afghanistan or Iraq - by drone strikes - as I mentioned, yet we only get told that they are "militants." It dehumanizes them so that people watching it on the news become apathetic and don't care.

reply to post by FreedomEntered

When he is saying " Dont trust your government" I believe at this point he is speaking directly to muslims in those countries of whom British troops are going into.

I dont think hes referring to the UK.

as articulate, specific, and well mannered while talking to the witnesses, as he represented himself. I am positive his comments where directed at "you people will never be safe. Remove your gov't. they don't care about you."

You as in the royal "we"

reply to post by whatzshaken


I wouldnt classify him as well mannered.

But okay perhaps, I dont know for sure just a guess. It seems to be directed at his muslim tribes. I think it had also to do with Nigeria specifically, there have been Brit/American troops there too I believe.

Originally posted by Kram09

And what do you mean by saying the innocent always have a name? Does that mean the guilty don't?

Many people have been killed in Afghanistan or Iraq - by drone strikes - as I mentioned, yet we only get told that they are "militants." It dehumanizes them so that people watching it on the news become apathetic and don't care.

The guilty do too .. but people tend to remember the innocent ones more often.

WE are told they are militants, true, but they have a name in their country and people there know who they are and they care.
They do not make comparisons with the West, like you do, they do not trivialize their deaths by mentioning soldiers from the West. I understood you completely, tell me why are people here so quick to mention that others die too?

reply to post by FreedomEntered


Im not negating the fact he just participated in a public execution of a man, however those who spoke to him after, all be it scared of what they witnessed, did not seem to be in harms way.

As he approached them and discussed with them, what he had done, they had witnessed and why they had to witness, what he participated in, that the gov't endorses. One way or another, like false flags, or occupying countries with their soldiers, or supplying arms/funding to "terrorist groups" and rebel coups. etc

reply to post by OneManArmy


Wow, "arm all police officers"...that just sounds so radical...I'm sorry but in the States all police officers are armed as a matter of standard operation, because to disarm those who put their lives on the line daily for the common good is just nuts, and somehow the UK thinks if they just disarm the populace, well then they can go ahead and disarm the police force too. That is just one of the most nuts thing I've heard, seeing as gangs still have guns there and there's still a lot of kitchen knives around as well.

reply to post by whatzshaken


Of course they were in harms way, however by then he had proven his point.

He wasnt after anyone else. Just a trophy of sorts

He was all preped up for exactly what he did. It wasnt like the Boston Bombers who thought they could get away with it. He knew he couldnt and didnt particulary want to. He was like a criminal who hands themselves in.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


True. Remove all cookers too. Infact no one should have anything lol

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
reply to post by DrHammondStoat

 

Thanks for the link. So he wasnt raised in the ghetto.

He was raised in some village in a well to do family.

Well looks like the more " intelligent" or " well to do" terrorists are out then. Like the Boston Bombers educated and well to do. The plot thickens..

edit on 23-5-2013 by FreedomEntered because: (no reason given)

What we have here is very like the Boston bombings..

A "terror attack" in all its gruesome glory, recorded by the MSM and played all over the world, just like Boston. What was the chance of someone with a camera being in the street ready to interview him ??

A "terror attack" yet with only one death, not 3 like in the USA. I feel these attacks are to scare us, give us an uncontrolable fear yet at the same time, there are few casualties..minimum damage, maximum visual effect, its more important what we see than the actual damage.

Automatically they're muslims. He was heard to shout Allah Ahukbar..its a terrorist attack and the subliminal messages start to flow.

We have our hero !!! - Just as in Boston we had the sad story of "cowboy hat man" who was seen saving lives, we have "boyscout woman", an ordinary person turned overnight hero by facing up to the luantic..

And afterwards, as in Boston, both men have been terminated and there is a round up going on....
If these two were intent on suicide, hence charging the cops with a rusty old pistol and a knife, why wait twenty minutes...why not go looking for more victims.

reply to post by FreedomEntered

He was all preped up for exactly what he did. It wasnt like the Boston Bombers who thought they could get away with it. He knew he couldnt and didnt particulary want to. He was like a criminal who hands themselves in.

No you are mistaken my friend, those were patsy in boston, That plan backfired in the gov't face on many fronts. beginning the morning of prior to the explosions.

This was a real attack which can be considered an act of terror. Not on the public to initiate a war of sorts, religious, political, but to bring awareness to the people that the gov't, all govt, those that take the power from the people and freedom of choice, are the evil/criminals/murderers/ thief's (taxes, central banks) represented by the gov't.


yes he knew what he was doing and sacrificed himself so the world could bear witness in a civilized society what happens in these war torn countries that the gov't is involved in contributing to in many facets.

reply to post by andy1972


Life is not a fairy tale. He is speaking of a reality. Because of war 100s of thousands of children are murdered. And plenty of people are turned into refugees. It isnt pleasent...

Connection between boston bombers and him I see is ideology. Many ways to skin a cat as the saying goes..

reply to post by Exitt

WE are told they are militants, true, but they have a name in their country and people there know who they are and they care.

That's exactly my point!

They do not make comparisons with the West, like you do, they do not trivialize their deaths by mentioning soldiers from the West. I understood you completely, tell me why are people here so quick to mention that others die too?

I haven't trivialised anybody's death as you imply and you're just making suppositions. In fact I think you're twisting my point. Either you mistaking my original point or you're doing so deliberately...

Perhaps we're so quick to mention that others die too, because we might actually see other people as human beings. We might show up the myopic hypocrisy of some in Western countries.

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
reply to post by andy1972

 

Life is not a fairy tale. He is speaking of a reality. Because of war 100s of thousands of children are murdered. And plenty of people are turned into refugees. It isnt pleasent...

Connection between boston bombers and him I see is ideology. Many ways to skin a cat as the saying goes..

Im not saying theres a connection..

Im saying the modus operandi they use to present us the "attacks" is nearly the same..

A grusesome terror attack taped and replayed for all the world to see.
The hero...
The "terrorists" are always shot before they can talk..
The round up afterwards..

I'd just like to butt in and point out -

There were many victims in the Boston bombing - not just three.

There are also many victims associated with the London hacking - not just one. The friends, the family, and every witness on the street - were victimized too.

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