Police respond to 'serious incident' in Woolwich

reply to post by OneManArmy

They do help in the apprehension of criminals involved in activities such as violent street crime. But yes I think you are correct they don't seem to work as a preventative measure.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by Firefly_

 

I think you are wrong.

EDL realized what was happening in the UK before most everyone else. You have all these Businessmen going to work with their heads up their asses doing nothing at all.

Yes, because ex-football hooligans are such a well-read bunch and always have their finger on the pulse of what is truly happening in the world around them.

Well... on this occasion, they weren't wrong were they???

Originally posted by ihavenoaccount
reply to post by MidnightTide

 

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Some transcripts of what he said:

"We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you."

"The only reasons we killed this man this is because Muslims are dying daily. This British soldier is an eye for an eye a tooth for tooth.

"We apologize that women had to see this today but in our lands our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government. They don't care about you."


So was he a terrorist or perhaps he is a soldier, fighting a war. The war has come to your home. It isn't in some middle eastern country any longer.

This is a game changer.

edit on 22-5-2013 by MidnightTide because: (no reason given)

Agreed.

Being a Londoner I'm absolutely horrified, yet hardly surprised at the same time. Mix that with being very wary of religion in general and you can imagine the news had me hotheaded at first. But after calming down, a massive sense of unease and dread has settled in.

Is this where we are now? Have we alienated them so far, and their mentors groomed them so thoroughly, that all hope is lost for curbing the radicalization of the Muslim youth in our country? Don't get me wrong; rational Muslims the world over are very likely as sickened and disturbed (maybe even more) as anyone else.

This is a problem that has spun way out of control, however. It can't be easily explained away by "immigration" or "PC gone mad", and neither can it be avoided by all parties sticking their heads in the sand while singing the same old tune, "It's only the small minority!"

The time for that talk is over. Yes, it's a tiny minority, as it always will be with shameful examples of humanity like the men we saw today. But they've proven that they mean business, and I'm worried that people still haven't gotten their message yet.

I don't have any answers for this, though. Violence will only beget more violence, and we obviously can't (and shouldn't) revoke people's rights to freedom of religious expression. Is the Khilafah a socio-cultural attitude that's trending right now, and needs to eventually die on it's own. I hope not.

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by Ramcheck

 

I'm sorry but people are not telling the truth somewhere along the line.

I've seen vids from Mullahs on youtube saying that they want to take over the World with Islam and then you get those on Twitter saying that this isn't Islam.... so, which is it?

Really? What kind of logic is that?

That's exactly like saying:

"I see one story on the news showing that christians are pedophiles, and then people on twitter responding and saying their not...so which is it?"

PEOPLE are screwed up. It is not the fault of Christianity or Islam. It is the fault of PEOPLE...being screwed up!

Originally posted by SQUEALER
That's why not a single bystander stepped in to stop the hacking.

Or maybe no one stepped in because they had knives, machetes, and guns. Just a guess.

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by Ramcheck

 

I'm sorry but people are not telling the truth somewhere along the line.

I've seen vids from Mullahs on youtube saying that they want to take over the World with Islam and then you get those on Twitter saying that this isn't Islam.... so, which is it?

You are comparing propaganda videos on YT with the opinions of every day hard working British Muslims? Jog on sailor.

Originally posted by Firefly_
reply to post by Rocker2013

 

What a bunch of complete and utter retards. Anyone affiliated with the EDL is a braindead moron.

If it were not for the police, and bear in mind, I am no fan of the police at all, these terrorists could have shed a lot more blood. The police made sure they cannot. The police did their job adequately in this instance, they removed the danger from the streets, they are now undoubtedly under armed guard in hospital, so why the hell are the EDL inflicting violence upon the police?

It only makes sense when you realise they are a bunch of animalistic, nasty thugs who all need locking up and the key throwing away. They are JUST AS DANGEROUS, and NO DIFFERENT at all to the so-called terrorists. The EDL are only making matters worse, they will give the police more reasons to remove more liberties and freedoms from the rest of us. They are playing right into the terrorists hands. They probably know this but they dont care as long as they get their kicks from using this situation as an excuse to be nasty and violent to the very people that stopped the situation getting worse.

Scum. Absolutely disgusting scum of the lowest order.

I will second that,

EDL are utter scum they are just as low in my view as the terrorists, I find their views utterly repulsive and disgusting

it is so sad to see this on the streets of the UK

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Is this where we are now? Have we alienated them so far, and their mentors groomed them so thoroughly, that all hope is lost for curbing the radicalization of the Muslim youth in our country?

The very PCness of it caused this. We allowed immigrants to group together and form communities with zero ties with the rest of the country they reside in. We should have expected some level of cultural assimilatation. I am afraid that things have gone too far for curbing this radicalization.

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by Firefly_

 

I think you are wrong.

EDL realized what was happening in the UK before most everyone else. You have all these Businessmen going to work with their heads up their asses doing nothing at all.

Yes, because ex-football hooligans are such a well-read bunch and always have their finger on the pulse of what is truly happening in the world around them.

Well... on this occasion, they weren't wrong were they???

even a stopped clock is right twice a day. The EDL is the english equivalent of the nazis.

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by Ramcheck

 

I'm sorry but people are not telling the truth somewhere along the line.

I've seen vids from Mullahs on youtube saying that they want to take over the World with Islam and then you get those on Twitter saying that this isn't Islam.... so, which is it?

Mullahs want to take over the world, but Islam has nothing to do with it.

Wherever men have set themselves up over other men, to dominate them, subjugate them, and bend others to their will, these same men of power always seek to expand their sphere of influence. They want more power, more lands, more people under their wing.

At one time it was Britain scouring the world for new lands, new peoples to subjugate, new terror-ties to add to the rapidly expanding British Empire.

Today, it's the Mullahs.

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by Ramcheck

 

I'm sorry but people are not telling the truth somewhere along the line.

I've seen vids from Mullahs on youtube saying that they want to take over the World with Islam and then you get those on Twitter saying that this isn't Islam.... so, which is it?

It's the same way that Christians don't associate themselves with Westboro Baptist church. Unfortunately the amount of people using Islam as a tool for political or personal agendas is more large scale in comparison.

Originally posted by Cabin
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

 

There are some extremists... Most are just normal hard-working people.

Youtube is not the most trustworthy source either...

Lets be straight here... how many different Religions are there in 'Islam'? Or is there just one Religion?

The Religion of peace? If it is the Religion of peace, where do the other sects of 'Islam' come from and why do they appear? Also, why do they also say they are of the Religion of Islam?

There can be only one.

islam or muslim or not these two need to be held accountable for what they did.
But i really do not think this was a islam,muslim or a religious based act.
I could be wrong on this.The police did a good job at putting these animals down.
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reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist


No, you have the EDL wrong. Yes I am aware of the corporate evils. But the EDL are making things worse. They are not doing what is necessary to fix things, they just go out looking for some muslims to bash, and the police if they get inbetween them. They completely fail to realise the real enemy, they are at war with islam yet ignore the fact that its our government that enables the corporations to act with impunity and use our armed forces to invade other nations for resources, which in turn angers the islamic extremists and makes us a target.

I know what the EDL are all about from my own experience. I looked into them, hopeful that they might do some good, and spoke to some of them. I was disappointed. I have tried to reason with them, and just met a load of anti-islam and pro-zionist right wing bull#. They dont care about justice. They just want to inflict violence upon people for kicks. They are the same people who can no longer fight at football matches, they use islam as an excuse rather than their old rival teams fans. I refuse to have anything to do with these nasty people because they are a disease upon our society.

This brings us back to the topic at hand. Im not myself a Muslime, nor do I have relatives overseas who have to look overhead when warplanes pass by and pray a bomb isnt dropped on them.

But I''m trying to understand how that must be. I can understand that it must cause hate, fear, anger, feelings of revenge, but I cannot and will never advocate that violence is a means to respond to violence.

But, then I am not in support of the wars in Afghanistan, I feel it fuels more war and there will never be an end. I also think that by the British public in the main being silent, we are placing ourselves at risk and have to ask whether it is worth it.

For a war far away I know nothing about, have no interest in and do not believe in, the risk to myself and loved ones here has increased and will always be at risk from terrorism.

These barbaric fools tonight have done nothing but to dirty a great religion for many many people and besmirch millions on good people in one vile act. But it has brought to me my apathy, my silent approval I suppose of the wars fared on my behalf on peoples I do not know, who live constantly in fear.

The whole thing stinks and tonight I feel sick and have to re-evaluate the benefits of this silent approval I have had for so long in respect of the wars my government/country is involved in.

I'm going to say it, but tonight we have had a very small sample of what it must be like EVERY night for YEAR UPON YEAR for many people around the world who have failed to meet our expectancies of what a person is. They are simply expendable.

We need to all think long and hard about what we approve of and the impact of our silence.

Just to make clear, I do not advocate violence, but by voting politicians out who place us at risk by actions that have no impact upon their welfare.

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

EDL realized what was happening in the UK before most everyone else.

really???



I dont think the EDL even know what a Muslim, like others have said they are scum utter scum

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Originally posted by Cabin
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

 

There are some extremists... Most are just normal hard-working people.

Youtube is not the most trustworthy source either...

Lets be straight here... how many different Religions are there in 'Islam'? Or is there just one Religion?

The Religion of peace? If it is the Religion of peace, where do the other sects of 'Islam' come from and why do they appear? Also, why do they also say they are of the Religion of Islam?

There can be only one.

There is sunni,s shiites, wasabi to name three denominations.
They probably appear the same way christian sects evolved. INTERPRETATION

Originally posted by OneManArmy

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by OneManArmy

 

They don't always stop them, but as is evidenced by their effect in most UK fotball stadiums, they can cut down on violent elements. As to them being ineffective as evidence after the fact, that is just a problem of lack of investment. The tech is there to record incidents in perfect clarity.

I think London is still the most videotaped city in the world. But yet the crime hasnt stopped. Studies have been done in many cities/towns aroound the world, the evidence simply states, they dont work.
How they do work is that they get us used to being watched all the time.

It's also one of the most densely populated areas in the world, so violent crime is never going to come to a complete stop. The laws of probability alone guarantee there is going to be some act of violence in London every evening, and that it is likely to be in a public place. Fortunately, they aren't all as horrific as this one.

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Originally posted by Cabin
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

 

There are some extremists... Most are just normal hard-working people.

Youtube is not the most trustworthy source either...

Lets be straight here... how many different Religions are there in 'Islam'? Or is there just one Religion?

The Religion of peace? If it is the Religion of peace, where do the other sects of 'Islam' come from and why do they appear? Also, why do they also say they are of the Religion of Islam?

There can be only one.

The same way the westboro baptist's and the Vatican agree on lots of things but not on others.. Same religion, different sect.