Large tornado plowing through Moore OK, southern OKC right now

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I'm 26, lived in NE Oklahoma my entire life exept for the 4 years I was in the Navy. I've seen tornadoes at night several times, nearly as many as daytime tornadoes.

Trying to outrun a tornado is the stupidest thing you can do. A car is one of the worst things to be in during a tornado.

Cars have been launched as far as a mile from their original position from tornadoes.

In ground shelters are much better protected from a tornado than an above ground shelter is, for obvious reasons.

Stop acting like you're talking to a couple of out of staters who've never been in this type of storm.

Also, dome houses are much more expensive than normal brick or wood houses.

Originally posted by dave_welch
reply to post by Another_Nut

 

I'm 26, lived in NE Oklahoma my entire life exept for the 4 years I was in the Navy. I've seen tornadoes at night several times, nearly as many as daytime tornadoes.

Trying to outrun a tornado is the stupidest thing you can do. A car is one of the worst things to be in during a tornado.

Cars have been launched as far as a mile from their original position from tornadoes.

In ground shelters are much better protected from a tornado than an above ground shelter is, for obvious reasons.

Stop acting like you're talking to a couple of out of staters who've never been in this type of storm.

Also, dome houses are much more expensive than normal brick or wood houses.

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First sentence is a lie. I've even have a link in my last reply . You are simply wrong.

Second you never try to outrun a nado. You head north or south ( nados move in a west to east direction)

Please provide proof that cars have been launched over a mile. (link) as I have never see or heard of this happening (although cars can be moved long distances by nados rarley is one picked up.

Please provide a link showing ground shelters are safer. Personally i don't think they are. there is more bad that can happen when you consider that only the steongest of nados can (maybe) damage an aboveground shelter.

iF you have been reading ,noone is denying that domes are more expensive. Just that they are better than any other type of shelter.

lets see . How many people in this thread have been in a nado? See there are lots of out of staters here.

And it seems even some of the states need lessons in meteorology ( im looking at you Dave)

Aka you listen to to much Mike Morgan. He's a hypester. Like all of the weathermen in ok.
they want to be the stars when these storms hit and they do/say whatever it takes to be the hero.

Originally posted by Another_Nut

Originally posted by EdSurly
reply to post by Another_Nut

 

Thanks for (sort of) answering my question. I'm an Oklahoma fan too.....just not OU, unless their playing TU

I went to college at Oklahoma State, and since you said your age....I also know I've lived in this state longer than you (look at the location in peoples avatars) You can also see I'm SW of you. I've lived in SW Oklahoma my whole life (except for 5 years in Stillwater

) So believe me....we get tornadoes at night, one of the deadliest tornadoes to ever strike this state was at night; The town of Snyder was virtually wiped out. Your in OKC....when your worried about severe weather you look to see what's happening in Altus or Lawton. When were worried we look to see what's happening in Lubbock or Childress. You seem to be like alot of folks I've met from the City....your entire frame of reference seems to be OKC. Try to break that, there's a whole wide world out there.

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O you are so close


1 First ,again, nados at night are rareer and usually less destructive. The reason they are more deadly is because everyone is asleep

For your reading pleasure
www.nwas.org...

Now I've had long term visits to se ok (valiant/Idabel) and that scared the crap outta me. Won't be going back.

Spent much time in Tulsa because that's as close to okc as a lot of bands I like ( until recently with the casinos and the peak) would only play Tulsa.

Spent time at the dunes . Had my family reunions almost every year at greenleaf (gore/braggs) and our big reunion at ft Cobb.

My father is burried in Anadarko.

The other 5% of my life was traveling the states.

but your right i haven't spent a lot of time in the sw.

2 And i was right again when i said night nados were rare and most nados happen the afternoon/ early evening.

3 Now I guess my question to you is what would you want your loved ones?

A. Belowground storm shelter
B. Aboveground storm shelter
C. Concrete dome house

And remember you will be asleep when the nado comes.

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Ok, I guess the pissing match is still on! Whip them out boy's!

In reply to the bolded quotes above (numbers added by me)

1. I never once said they were as common as daytime tornadoes. Nor am I silly enough to suggest that, on average, they are as powerful as daytime tornadoes. You on the other hand claimed "we don't get night naders" At least before you edited your post.

2. Read above, you never said they were "more rare" you said "That's why we don't get night Nadoes" At least that's what you had before you edited it.

3. Below ground storm shelter. I assumed you had figured that one out on your own.

I feel I must also respond to you calling dave-welch a liar. He stated;

Originally posted by dave_welch
reply to post by Another_Nut

 

I've seen tornadoes at night several times, nearly as many as daytime tornadoes.

Tell me, how do YOU know how many tornadoes Dave has seen?

Originally posted by EdSurly

Originally posted by Another_Nut

Originally posted by EdSurly
reply to post by Another_Nut

 

Thanks for (sort of) answering my question. I'm an Oklahoma fan too.....just not OU, unless their playing TU

I went to college at Oklahoma State, and since you said your age....I also know I've lived in this state longer than you (look at the location in peoples avatars) You can also see I'm SW of you. I've lived in SW Oklahoma my whole life (except for 5 years in Stillwater

) So believe me....we get tornadoes at night, one of the deadliest tornadoes to ever strike this state was at night; The town of Snyder was virtually wiped out. Your in OKC....when your worried about severe weather you look to see what's happening in Altus or Lawton. When were worried we look to see what's happening in Lubbock or Childress. You seem to be like alot of folks I've met from the City....your entire frame of reference seems to be OKC. Try to break that, there's a whole wide world out there.

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O you are so close


1 First ,again, nados at night are rareer and usually less destructive. The reason they are more deadly is because everyone is asleep

For your reading pleasure
www.nwas.org...

Now I've had long term visits to se ok (valiant/Idabel) and that scared the crap outta me. Won't be going back.

Spent much time in Tulsa because that's as close to okc as a lot of bands I like ( until recently with the casinos and the peak) would only play Tulsa.

Spent time at the dunes . Had my family reunions almost every year at greenleaf (gore/braggs) and our big reunion at ft Cobb.

My father is burried in Anadarko.

The other 5% of my life was traveling the states.

but your right i haven't spent a lot of time in the sw.

2 And i was right again when i said night nados were rare and most nados happen the afternoon/ early evening.

3 Now I guess my question to you is what would you want your loved ones?

A. Belowground storm shelter
B. Aboveground storm shelter
C. Concrete dome house

And remember you will be asleep when the nado comes.

edit on 23-5-2013 by Another_Nut because: (no reason given)

Ok, I guess the pissing match is still on! Whip them out boy's!

In reply to the bolded quotes above (numbers added by me)

1. I never once said they were as common as daytime tornadoes. Nor am I silly enough to suggest that, on average, they are as powerful as daytime tornadoes. You on the other hand claimed "we don't get night naders" At least before you edited your post.

2. Read above, you never said they were "more rare" you said "That's why we don't get night Nadoes" At least that's what you had before you edited it.

3. Below ground storm shelter. I assumed you had figured that one out on your own.

I feel I must also respond to you calling dave-welch a liar. He stated;

Originally posted by dave_welch
reply to post by Another_Nut

 

I've seen tornadoes at night several times, nearly as many as daytime tornadoes.

Tell me, how do YOU know how many tornadoes Dave has seen?

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god I LOVE Oklahoma ! PISS ON !

1. Lies . My original post (page 23 half way down or so right after your ifs and buts comment) show that from the beginning I've said "very rarely" ) I edited editor nothing.

2. Lies see above

3.i did but just wanted it on record. We will agree to disagree.

4. It seems Dave was trying to insinuate that tornados at night are just as common and destructive as daytime tornados. If you look back a few replies I have linked the the proof of that being not the truth.

Therefore a lie

Outta piss! But man did my stream get far!

Seriously though guys if you are gonna make stuff up (editing to change my story. Lol ) make it undeniable. It really just shows you don't read what someone is writing or not comprehending . It seems im the only one man enough to admit when I've been wrong (as I have done in this thread) and some people arnt

So without any further ado im out

Originally posted by Another_Nut

Originally posted by dave_welch
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Now, look at the price compared to a normal house. Most people around here don't exactly have disposable income.

Also, it's not just wind you have to deal with, and F3-F5 tornado can relocate some pretty large and heavy structures. You're dome house may survive the wind, but will it survive a 2 ton automobile, or something heavier hitting it at 150 mph?

I agree most don't have the income to afford a dome.

But

have you ever seen a car wrapped around a telephone pole? Sometime the pole breaks ,yes, but many times it doesn't.

Now why would you think a concrete dome wouldn't work? You know they use concrete walls to stop cars in tests.

Not only that but any hit to the dome wouldn't be a direct impact it would be deflected.

So even in a f5 throwing cars wpuldnt be a problem id think. And even a f5 won't throw a big truck very far.

Pick it up ,yes . Roll it over ,yes. Throw it a hundred feet,maybe.

but the danger from flying debris if from small objects , not big ones.

That straw is more dangerous in a nado than a car. ( unless you are in the car)

Moreoever the idea is to have multiple or a colony of homes in a town so that chances of debris flying from shattered houses might help minimize the damage to other homes. And if the vehicles are garaged, most of them will not be flying around.

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by Another_Nut

Originally posted by dave_welch
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Now, look at the price compared to a normal house. Most people around here don't exactly have disposable income.

Also, it's not just wind you have to deal with, and F3-F5 tornado can relocate some pretty large and heavy structures. You're dome house may survive the wind, but will it survive a 2 ton automobile, or something heavier hitting it at 150 mph?

I agree most don't have the income to afford a dome.

But

have you ever seen a car wrapped around a telephone pole? Sometime the pole breaks ,yes, but many times it doesn't.

Now why would you think a concrete dome wouldn't work? You know they use concrete walls to stop cars in tests.

Not only that but any hit to the dome wouldn't be a direct impact it would be deflected.

So even in a f5 throwing cars wpuldnt be a problem id think. And even a f5 won't throw a big truck very far.

Pick it up ,yes . Roll it over ,yes. Throw it a hundred feet,maybe.

but the danger from flying debris if from small objects , not big ones.

That straw is more dangerous in a nado than a car. ( unless you are in the car)

Moreoever the idea is to have multiple or a colony of homes in a town so that chances of debris flying from shattered houses might help minimize the damage to other homes. And if the vehicles are garaged, most of them will not be flying around.

You sir get a star for bringing up a point I should've about the Yukon domes.

Good job!

Originally posted by dave_welch
reply to post by Another_Nut

 

Also, dome houses are much more expensive than normal brick or wood houses.

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Not if the Government helps out

reply to post by Another_Nut
Thanks. I've always wondered over the years that every year its the same stories and disasters yet not much has been done to lower the damage to properties (both public and private), people and communities. I'm sure engineers would have recommended as well. I'm still thinking its more political and not the cost of re-engineering.

Originally posted by Another_Nut

Originally posted by EdSurly

Originally posted by Another_Nut

Originally posted by EdSurly
reply to post by Another_Nut

 

If if's and but's were candies and nuts. Tornado's NEVER happen at night, Oklahoman's are NEVER awakened at 2am by the storm siren. So yea, your right. Out run the tornado and all with be fine.

Yea ,ok.

First off tornados VERY RARLY happen at night.

They usually happen during the afternoon and early evening.

I've never been woken up to tornado sirens. Ever.

now I answered your question. And I've proven my points

Nothing I've stated has been refuted

if your ever in town drop a pm and ill show u personally .

Until then you have a tv broadcast and ( and i mean this ) the hype of the weathermen ( and this hype gets worse every year) and i have homes to rewire

eta where are my ifs and buts? I've told you exactly what I do.no ifs or buts

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You never answered my original question...only dodged it. For the record I can't count the times I've been awaken by storm sirens. I remember going to the basement of the post office in my home town as a child in the middle of the night, after we moved to the other side of town on numerous occasions we walked across the street to our neighbors home to get in their cellar in the middle of the night....everyone in their night clothes. I've lived in this town for 10 years now and I've been awakened twice...once at 3am. The most dangerous tornado's are those that strike at night. And their not nearly as rare as you think. But you know all that, your one of those people that can never admit their wrong...for any reason. Prolly an OU fan too huh?

Just kidding with the OU crap

And I hope you can continue to run away and hopefully one never bears down on you at night. I truly do.

Ok after think a little I think I know why I've never heard a night siren. And now that I think on it . It seems obvious.

But first I want to call u out on your "ou fan thing" . Im a Oklahoma fan . OSU OU and Tulsa. Don't you wish your state had 3 schools xonsistanly in the top 25?

Ok back to storms.

supercells start in ok and Texas usually. And mostly during the afternoon hours and early evening ( may 3rd,may 5th,this week) that why we don't get night nados.

But by 10 or so the storms have moved ne and are still active but just not for us. Now I understand.

I also see why you worry about night nados and I don't.

We get the early start and you guys get the late nights

Sucks to be you ( I mean that I would hate getting up at night everytime a siren sounds. And im glad I dont have that prob in okc)

Your also right that kinda sidestepped where I would want my loved ones.

my kids use and underground shelter when with their mom. Im not a fan of it .

Man when put on the spot I really don't know.

I'd have to say above ground. I just can't stand the thought of being trapped under all the debris. With water rising and no escape.

I know that's not a situation that will arise everyday or even often.

But if the multimillion dollar homes in my city use abovegorund and the track homes use belowground I think im safe with the above

I bolded, Italicized and underlined what you wrote....so you can't deny what you wrote. Now, if you were wrapped up in your own bloviating, I understand. And I agree, again, that night time tornadoes aren't, on average, as powerful or as numerous as daytime tornadoes. You alluded that tornadoes at night weren't a danger. Stating, as I proved above; "We don't get night nadoes". I didn't lie. I'm assuming you didn't "lie" either...you just forgot what you posted and got caught up in your bull-#. It happens to us all from time to time. Me included. Like the old adage; The first liar don't stand a chance lol

Originally posted by EdSurly

Originally posted by Another_Nut

Originally posted by EdSurly

Originally posted by Another_Nut

Originally posted by EdSurly
reply to post by Another_Nut

 

If if's and but's were candies and nuts. Tornado's NEVER happen at night, Oklahoman's are NEVER awakened at 2am by the storm siren. So yea, your right. Out run the tornado and all with be fine.

Yea ,ok.

First off tornados VERY RARLY happen at night.

They usually happen during the afternoon and early evening.

I've never been woken up to tornado sirens. Ever.

now I answered your question. And I've proven my points

Nothing I've stated has been refuted

if your ever in town drop a pm and ill show u personally .

Until then you have a tv broadcast and ( and i mean this ) the hype of the weathermen ( and this hype gets worse every year) and i have homes to rewire

eta where are my ifs and buts? I've told you exactly what I do.no ifs or buts

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You never answered my original question...only dodged it. For the record I can't count the times I've been awaken by storm sirens. I remember going to the basement of the post office in my home town as a child in the middle of the night, after we moved to the other side of town on numerous occasions we walked across the street to our neighbors home to get in their cellar in the middle of the night....everyone in their night clothes. I've lived in this town for 10 years now and I've been awakened twice...once at 3am. The most dangerous tornado's are those that strike at night. And their not nearly as rare as you think. But you know all that, your one of those people that can never admit their wrong...for any reason. Prolly an OU fan too huh?

Just kidding with the OU crap

And I hope you can continue to run away and hopefully one never bears down on you at night. I truly do.

Ok after think a little I think I know why I've never heard a night siren. And now that I think on it . It seems obvious.

But first I want to call u out on your "ou fan thing" . Im a Oklahoma fan . OSU OU and Tulsa. Don't you wish your state had 3 schools xonsistanly in the top 25?

Ok back to storms.

supercells start in ok and Texas usually. And mostly during the afternoon hours and early evening ( may 3rd,may 5th,this week) that why we don't get night nados.

But by 10 or so the storms have moved ne and are still active but just not for us. Now I understand.

I also see why you worry about night nados and I don't.

We get the early start and you guys get the late nights

Sucks to be you ( I mean that I would hate getting up at night everytime a siren sounds. And im glad I dont have that prob in okc)

Your also right that kinda sidestepped where I would want my loved ones.

my kids use and underground shelter when with their mom. Im not a fan of it .

Man when put on the spot I really don't know.

I'd have to say above ground. I just can't stand the thought of being trapped under all the debris. With water rising and no escape.

I know that's not a situation that will arise everyday or even often.

But if the multimillion dollar homes in my city use abovegorund and the track homes use belowground I think im safe with the above

I bolded, Italicized and underlined what you wrote....so you can't deny what you wrote.

Now, if you were wrapped up in your own bloviating, I understand. And I agree, again, that night time tornadoes aren't, on average, as powerful or as numerous as daytime tornadoes. You alluded that tornadoes at night weren't a danger. Stating, as I proved above; "We don't get night nadoes". I didn't lie. I'm assuming you didn't "lie" either...you just forgot what you posted and got caught up in your bull-#. It happens to us all from time to time. Me included. Like the old adage; The first liar don't stand a chance lol

akk people confusing points. Must be living so close to Texas

first when you brought up night nados I replied with " they rarely happen" so my story from the being was in fact correct.

Second and most importantly I have stated that "we don't get night nados" now I should have been more specific and said Oklahoma city . That is true. I have also stated that "by ten or so they have all moved n.e. "

Now I will prove my correctness. There has not been a tornado in Oklahoma city after 1030 at night since records stared being kept in 1893.

I think that's proof we dont get night nados .

Here you go

www.srh.noaa.gov...

Now how about an apology?

Eta . Wait I may have missed one in the 70s and 50s going over it agin but I think you get the drift

eeta ok here we go between the hours of 11pm and 7 am

5/28/55. 3am f1 (well this make me wonder what kinds of tests they were running during the 50s &60s
5/28/65 3am f2. Seems wierd I guess)
10/11/73 1:15am f1 not even a twinkle in me dadies eye
5/7/07 1:30am ef0 aka a strong gust of wind in this state aka post may 3rd kfor msm hype
2/31/08. 12:30 am ed 0-1 aka another strong gust of wind in this state aka post may 3rd kfor msm hype

thats 4 strong gusts of wind and one nado in over 100 years .so I think ill be sleeping well

Hey mods, can we get the date of this added to the title. We are still in our tonado season and this caused me to have one of those "again, already?" moments. Thanks mods.

reply to post by Another_Nut


Here is a list of every single tornado recorded for the city of Oklahoma City since 1950. Now this list is only for the city limits of Oklahoma City. *I'm sorry, the data is from 1890 NOT 1950*

From your own link. Did you even look at the data?
www.srh.noaa.gov...

149 tornadoes 23 of which occurred between the hours of 9PM and 6AM. Look at the list. That's 15.4% of tornadoes after dark..ie night. Now, where your from 15.4% may be considered....how did you put it? "Rare" Now are we going to start splitting hairs about the definition of rare? The last time OKC had a tornado at night was April 13, 2012. The time? 11:52PM For the OU fans among us, that was last year.


On a more serious note, there are lots and lots of places strewn througout the net where you can go and learn about tornadoes. Don't rely on your own intuition...it's been proven to fail you. Start here;

www.scientificamerican.com...
It deals with what this discussion was originally...what is the safest place to ride out a tornado.

www.spc.noaa.gov...
This is the NOAA faq about tornadoes. Lots of good information there.

www.theatlantic.com...
This is an Atlantic article that is a pretty decent piece.

www.depts.ttu.edu...
This is from Texas Tech's Wind Science and Engineering Center. I'd recommend reading this as well, they help make some of your points. The drawback on in ground shelters? Their remote from the home and people tend to wait longer before taking shelter.

www.srh.noaa.gov...
This is the National Weather Service storm forcast center predictions for my area tonight. My area is shaded red to denote the threat of tornadoes....see the time? Says "Mainly 8pm - Midnight"

Be safe and be well buddy. And stop calling people liars when stating their observations. Even those not involved in the discussion will discount what you say after that. You've been a member here since 2009, you should have learned better board etiquette in that time. But it's ultimately your choice, as far as the apology goes...I'm not sanctimonious enough to demand an apology for opinions and discussions posted to a forum, neither should you.

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Well it seems I can't edit the original post. Still learning ATS quirks.

Found a scholarly paper dealing with night time tornadoes;
www.nwas.org...

Pretty interesting stuff. The table was interesting as well;
www.nwas.org...

I liked what the NOAA storm training center instructor said in the video I posted a link to above; "Tornado's don't care what the calendar says or what time it is."


lol I just realized this was the same paper you linked to back on page 23.

reply to post by Another_Nut


Fist about cars and tornadoes. The longest distance a car has been launched by a tornado: 17.3 miles here's a link!
Here you go However, even I am not sure about that one as it's from wiki answers, so here's one that says up to a mile

Second, tornadoes don't happen at night much, eh? Here's some pictures! even better, here's a chart! Night Tornado Percentages by State

Here's some good info on Storm shelters from Oklahoma State University: Storm Shelters

So, possibly it's you that needs the Meteorology lesson. By the way, who the hell is Mike Morgan?

Great topic!