Large tornado plowing through Moore OK, southern OKC right now

reply to post by salmonofknowledge


Show me the concrete that can withstand 200 mph winds. If you are above ground, and in the path of a tornado, you are at its mercy. It doesnt matter what the building is made of.

Fact is that millions of people live in Tornado Alley, and you simply can't expect millions just to get up and move to somewhere else. Terrible things will happen to good people.

Best thing people can do is live as best they can. Those who can afford shelters should buy them. Perhaps if able, towns and cities should build shelters for those who can't afford them?

Just spoke to my brother. He was working in OKC about 30 mins from Moore. He said OKC is diverting water to Moore and all non essential employees were sent home. Hopefully having clean water will bring some relief.

Has this video been posted yet?

Don't know, going to post it anyway. Grandmother finds her puppy in the rubble during an interview.

Tears in my eyes.

reply to post by MidnightTide


I've seen this just hours earlier.
Brought tears to my eyes to.
Star for you for posting it.

I live in the 405 area and my father was in Moore hospital when it got hit. Hes alive but the car is totaled.

reply to post by Alienade


I'm glad you and your family and father are ok!
Sorry about the car. Crazy day.

And enjoy ATS.

reply to post by MidnightTide

School children can. I think this is a wake up call for Tornado Alley.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by salmonofknowledge

 

Show me the concrete that can withstand 200 mph winds. If you are above ground, and in the path of a tornado, you are at its mercy. It doesnt matter what the building is made of.

Well, cost not withstanding it would be easy...but it's all hyperbole anyway. Housing needs to be affordable first and foremost. If you can't afford it you may as well pitch a tent in the path of the next tornado. One thing for sure, I can't get out of building a fraidy hole any longer. I've been telling my wife "We'll be fine." "We'll just get into the hall closet." (it's the innermost space) Or "I've got the keys to the school...we'll go there" We've already gone there a couple of weeks ago and stayed for a few hours through recurring tornado warnings. Our shelter at my school is a main hallway...it's a tube constructed of 2 feet thick re-enforced concrete. I keep telling her the average warning is 15 minutes....but that dog won't hunt any longer.

I've been trying to hold out until we purchase another home...which I hope will happen before the first of the year...but it's not going to matter at this point. When my wife get's back tomorrow the first thing she's going to ask is "Where are we going to put the cellar?"

One other thing I was going to mention. Many of the new homes being constructed in this area are using steel framing. I don't know if that's what most other areas are starting to use but one of the benefits I hear is an increase in strength. Also most of the nicer homes ($250k and up...which are on the higher end of prices for this area...2500 square feet and up) are being built with "safe rooms". Those safe rooms are usually constructed with walls constructed of 1/4" steel plate bolted to the concrete foundation. Some are even made out of re-enforced concrete.

When my mom and dad built their new home in 2002 they insisted on having a cellar. I remember my dad telling me that there was only one man in the Altus area that would build a cellar and he was retired. Dad talked him into building it...his last from what I understand. He stated that most people are going with the safe rooms and there wasn't much of a market for cellars in new homes any more. The problem with a safe room (at least the steel plate safe rooms) is an EF-5 like what hit Moore. You really need to be underground. The concrete safe rooms are almost as expensive as a cellar...I really don't know why you would want one of those instead of a cellar but I guess people have their reasons. I mean, how much does it cost to dig a hole? Especially when your already spending $250k + for a new home?

Were a lot of you listening to the Oklahoma City scanner last night, like I did?? I'm confused, because, in all honesty, it sounded like they were finding more bodies then 24??? Does anyone else who was listening get this impression?? I'm trying to comprehend the downed totals, but, listening all night long, it sure sounded like a lot more deceased were found??? Maybe because of all the chaos, l.e. were not able to report properly??? I just don't know????

Just checking back in. I am sorry to have not been here for everyone from Oklahoma.

I still have not heard from my Granddaughters and their Mom, I am sure they are fine as they live in Muskogee, but it is hard for me, for them not to call after something so bad. Tomorrow is my Granddaughters Birthday, the cute little Sooner!

My prayers are here for everyone.

Originally posted by antar
Just checking back in. I am sorry to have not been here for everyone from Oklahoma.

I still have not heard from my Granddaughters and their Mom, I am sure they are fine as they live in Muskogee, but it is hard for me, for them not to call after something so bad. Tomorrow is my Granddaughters Birthday, the cute little Sooner!

My prayers are here for everyone.

Hope you hear from them soon Antar!! Prayers for you & others that have yet to be reunited...much luck to you!!

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by salmonofknowledge

 

Show me the concrete that can withstand 200 mph winds. If you are above ground, and in the path of a tornado, you are at its mercy. It doesnt matter what the building is made of.

Tornado Resistant Dome Buildings in Oklahoma

Enough said!

www.fox23.com...

www.domeofahome.com...

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Thank you for that powerful post. I am here in spirit, just feel kind of anxious and off still, as if I am waiting for the other shoe to drop or something. I know that is not being supportive, just feeling personally vulnerable right now and cant seem to put my finger on it. You are so right though, it is all we can do to be the very best we can, to enjoy each moment and to cherish those we love. Keep inspiring as you do, it has never been more needed.

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I REALLY wanted one of these, but settled for something more conventional not due to my choice!!! I am a strong proponent of these sound structures. I love them.

www.monolithic.com...

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You know, I just thought of something. Go to google.com and type in Geronimo, OK and look at the map. See the 5 concentric circles in the upper left? That's the new Geronimo schools. I'll bet those would withstand a tornado much much better than the normal schools type structures. Maybe my wife and I need to look for property in that area? Pretty good school system and close enough to commute.

Better yet, go to bing.com...their birds eye view gives a very good image of the new school.

Originally posted by KaelemJames
Tornado heading for Pauls Valley..

It went right over my head but never touched down. Felt the wind from it. Went into a storm cellar anyway. Haven't taken cover in a cellar since I was a kid. This was a freak outbreak. This rarely happens.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by salmonofknowledge

 

Show me the concrete that can withstand 200 mph winds. If you are above ground, and in the path of a tornado, you are at its mercy. It doesnt matter what the building is made of.

Yes, it does, it also matters what shape the structure is and whether there is an area where such a force can gain a hold. A flat wall is an obstacle which prevents the movement of force until it breaks, a smooth curved surface allows the force to flow over it.

Look at aerodynamics... building a traditional house in a tornado-prone area would be like trying to drive a truck sideways into the wind. You cannot expect anything good to happen with that kind of blunt surface facing such pressure.
Then compare that to driving a low and aerodynamic car forward into a wind, this is the optimum design to allow the force to flow OVER it.

Why are baseballs round and not cube? It's not because they look nicer, it's because they're aerodynamic and the force of air around them is not causing the level of friction it would on a flat surface.

I don't know why people are refuting this, it's very simple science and the kind of thing you should have all learned before you were 12.

Originally posted by Rocker2013

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by salmonofknowledge

 

Show me the concrete that can withstand 200 mph winds. If you are above ground, and in the path of a tornado, you are at its mercy. It doesnt matter what the building is made of.

Yes, it does, it also matters what shape the structure is and whether there is an area where such a force can gain a hold. A flat wall is an obstacle which prevents the movement of force until it breaks, a smooth curved surface allows the force to flow over it.

Look at aerodynamics... building a traditional house in a tornado-prone area would be like trying to drive a truck sideways into the wind. You cannot expect anything good to happen with that kind of blunt surface facing such pressure.
Then compare that to driving a low and aerodynamic car forward into a wind, this is the optimum design to allow the force to flow OVER it.

Why are baseballs round and not cube? It's not because they look nicer, it's because they're aerodynamic and the force of air around them is not causing the level of friction it would on a flat surface.

I don't know why people are refuting this, it's very simple science and the kind of thing you should have all learned before you were 12.

As much as o hate to agree with rocker he's right.domes do work.

They have been building some in Yukon.

On a side note. Anyone who listens to the Oklahoma weathermen need to know that they hype all tornados and storms, severely

Was this storm bad? Hell yes. But no worse Than many that hit our state every year.

Most of us in this state are amature meteorologists because of the constant tv smart broadcasts during storms.

Most know when it's time to move.