VOTE: 3,893 Extra Votes For Bush In Suburban Columbus, Ohio County (only 638 voted)

Originally posted by moxyone
I would imagine the errors go both ways, but kick the dog, if there is one.

There is one to kick moxyone see The Diebold Factor for some background.

For even more background read Rise of the Reconstructionists.

I'm loving this thread S.O.

Has this hit mainstream media yet? How much are people talking/hearing about it? Are you contacting your local media with questions?

Keep up the good research.

Regardless of who won, which Part your affiliated with, this seriously needs to be looked into. Votes appearing on Machines before voting started, A HUGE amount of Provisional Ballots being used (I witnessed this First Hand), deadlines on overseas ballots that arrive days before the deadline, The Secretary of State in Ohio being the election supervisor and co-head of the Bush campaign there. More than Half of the Heavily Democratic areas in Ohio used voting Machines, where the Owner of the Company is tied to Bush. I think Bush could seriously challenge PA, and Kerry could Ohio and Florida, from what I have seen.

The US Voting system is a mess, History Repeats itself, well it just did. You would think after the 2000 Dilema, Chad Cards would be obsolete, Nope. Problems with the Paper trail less Voting Machines asking people to confirm they voted for Bush when they voted for Kerry. How in the name of GOD after 2000 would you instate a system with no paper trail? It blows my mind. My boss's wife voted for Bush but noticed a problem with the machine, Guess what, It was not plugged in for 6 HRS!!!!!

The sad part to all this is, that No one will probably be able to challenge any of this. No one will be able to put aside their Political leanings to Fix The US Voting System. What if it turns out when it is 'Supposed"' to be all said and done in about 3 weeks, after all the provisional and absentee ballots that Kerry won. Just posing a hypothetical here. It would create a huge Mess, and I dont think anyone would want to bring that on. I would be saying the same thing if it was Kerry that won and Bush lost. It does not matter, as a Voter I am starting to believe that my Vote does not count, because it is not up to the citizens but up to others.

I am starting to think the media should catch alot of Flack for this, they use all these models, saying that certain counties show how the rest of the State will Vote, the whole Exit Poll Debacle, I think everyone would agree that this election was like no other, and should have been handled that way.

This whole thing just reeks, and needs to be addressed NOW.

It seems the mainstream media is too scared to touch this, all day it's "what the democrats did wrong", no possibility that the polls could have been right but something went wrong with the voting system.

someone better check the Florida numbers too, while we're at it.

Originally posted by sardion2000
Whether it be irregulatities that benefit Bush or Kerry this election needs to be validated either way.(just so we all can have peace of mind)

[edit on 5-11-2004 by sardion2000]

I really hope people read your words before crying conspiracy. If the AP is on this story and has confirmed the irregularities noted in SO's main post - then this is going to come out. But no one knows at this point exactly what we are looking at yet.

Was this isolated to a single county?
Is there something inherently wrong with the electronic voting machines themselves?
Is it limited to one manufacturer?
Were extra votes awarded only to one candidate?

These are some of the questions that need to be asked before we draw any conclusions.





B.

Whatreallyhappened has an image that shows big discrepancies between exit polls and actual votes in areas with evoting, while the results in areas with paper ballots were pretty close to the exit polls.

www.whatreallyhappened.com...

I'm not sure where they got there data from but if it's accurate, that should raise suspicion.

Originally posted by Bleys
These are some of the questions that need to be asked before we draw any conclusions.

I think if any question needs to be seriously addressed, then there is a serious problem.


Rense has been giving alot to this, I normally have to research his links even further, but these seem to check out.

www.rense.com...

"Various people sent me mail saying that it is awfully fishy that the exit polls and final results were substantially different in some places. I hope someone will follow this up and actually do a careful analysis. Does anyone know of a Website containing all the exit poll data? If we go to computerized voting without a paper trail and the machines can be set up to cheat, that is the end of our democracy. Switching 5 votes per machine is probably all it would take to throw an election and nobody would ever see it unless someone compares the computer totals and exit polls. I am still very concerned about the remark of Walden O'Dell a Republican fund raiser and CEO of Diebold, which makes voting machines saying he would deliver Ohio for President Bush. Someone (not me) should look into this carefully. The major newspapers actually recounted all the votes in Florida last time. Maybe this year's project should be looking at the exit polls. If there are descrepancies between the exit polls and the final results in touch-screen counties but not in paper-ballot counties, that would be a signal. At the very least it could be a good masters thesis for a political science student. The Open voting consortium is a group addressing the subject of verifiable voting."

[edit on 5-11-2004 by TrickmastertricK]

As a minor correction to the title, this event occurred in Franklin County. Columbus is both the capitol of Ohio and the county seat of Franklin County. Gahanna is a city in Franklin County, considered to be a suburb of Columbus to the northeast.

Originally posted by TrickmastertricK

Originally posted by Bleys
These are some of the questions that need to be asked before we draw any conclusions.

I think if any question needs to be seriously addressed, then there is a serious problem.
[edit on 5-11-2004 by TrickmastertricK]

Maybe you missed my first post - when I noted this is very troubling and that we need to verify the results of all electronic voting machines. I'm just not ready to declare this a criminal act yet.



B.

FYI:

Air America has been screaming bloody murder over Diebold for the last two days. Now AP picks up this story.

It will be interesting to see if it gets picked-up or suppressed by the defense industry who supported the Help America Vote Act, you know, the mainstream media.

Keep an eye on the Wasington Times and Sinclair stations for the Republican rebuttal. I'm sure RANT has his eye on the Freepers.

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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

www.theunionleader.com

In a posting on Salon.com, Mark Crispin Miller, the media critic and professor of communications at New York University, wrote, "First of all, this election was definitely rigged. It's a statistical impossibility that Bush got 8 million more votes than he got last time."

This year's most likely culprit of the larceny, according to critics: electronic voting machines.

In a campaign year rife with conspiracies, it's no surprise that post-election theories have started popping up, experts say. After all, who didn't gossip about Bush's peculiar jacket bulge during the first debate? Or speculated about an "October surprise," an 11th-hour event - such as the sudden capture of Osama bin Laden - orchestrated to sway the race?

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

It's time people. We need to know what happened.

The Union Leader is a conservative paper. I was surprised at the summary given here.

The piece that appeared in the Leader was from the Baltimore Sun and written by Dan Thanh Dang.

later on in that piece this appears:

Rubin, the political science professor at Hopkins who is one of the best-known critics of the machines - and who has been inundated with e-mails since the election, said theorists should let this one go.

"I don't think there is any evidence that the election was rigged," Rubin said. "What I think is that we're heading down a dangerous path with these machines where there's no way to disprove theories like that because there's no paper trail available. We're using a technology that's unverifiable.

"If you're using machines that can be rigged, then yes, it can happen," Rubin said. "But did it happen? I doubt it. The exit polls were still within the statistical norms of the results."

If I have to hear one more person state that the exit polls were different from the true polls, i will die laughing. Do you actually put more faith in exit polls than our current voting system?

FYI:

Air America (Randi Rhodes) has just sent out a call for all listeners to visit blackboxvoting.org and donate $1 to help with legal fees and the Request for Information action. She has over 4 million listeners.

Question. What happened to all those Democratic and Republican lawyers on retainer Tuesday?

We should also keep an eye on blackboxvoting.org just in case it "goes down" or is "hacked".

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Gore won according to the exit polls, and he won the popular vote.

This is interesting to note:

Gambling vote glitch mars tally
Broward County corrected a computer glitch Thursday that had miscounted thousands of absentee votes, instantly turning a slot-machine measure from loser to winner and reinforcing concerns about the accuracy of electronic election returns.

The bug, discovered two years ago but never fixed, began subtracting votes after the absentee tally hit 32,500 -- a ceiling put in place by the software makers.

''Clearly it's a concern about the integrity of the voting system,'' said Broward County Mayor Ilene Lieberman, a canvassing board member who was overseeing the count. ``This glitch needs to be fixed immediately.''

The problem, which resulted in the shocking discovery of about 70,000 votes for Amendment 4, a measure allowing a referendum on Las Vegas-style slots at parimutuels in Miami-Dade and Broward, came to light just after midnight Wednesday when Broward's canvassing board shut down

There are obvious flaws to electronic voting and the lack of a paper trail will make this situation impossible to verify and forever a conspiracy.

[edit on 11-5-2004 by worldwatcher]

Actually Kerry won franklin county...

This particular instance strikes me as a red herring. Any fraud would have to be subtler in order to work undetected. But having a few well publicized massive and obvious "glitches" helps to draw attention away from the real problem. It also establishes precedent. When anyone later tries to challenge more subtle discrepancies, it can be claimed that voting irregularities were looked into before, and "always" found to be obvious technical glitches rather than fraud.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

So, should we wonder how many other counties may have this problem but are as yet undiscovered?

Yeah, then multiply by fifty...

I am glad this was picked up by a mod who is starting research on it.
I also posted a thread earlier on this same thing.

[edit on 5-11-2004 by jmilici]

Friday, November 05, 2004
Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Ohio Votes
Nov 5, 6:04 PM (ET)

By JOHN McCARTHY

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said. Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct. Bush's total should have been recorded as 365.

Bush won the state by more than 136,000 votes, according to unofficial results, and Kerry conceded the election on Wednesday after saying that 155,000 provisional ballots yet to be counted in Ohio would not change the result.

Deducting the erroneous Bush votes from his total could not change the election's outcome, and there were no signs of other errors in Ohio's electronic machines, said Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell.

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I found this at Excite.com, with the huge headline written above. If one were to glance over it they would think, "See! Bush stole the election!"

Of coures, if you actually READ the article, you would see that only a couple of hundered votes were added, which is EXTREMELY minimal considereing the number of people in Ohio, and how many votes President Bush won by. Even if the machines worked the way they were supposed to, the outcome would be the same, because a majority of Americans love President Bush!

GIVE IT UP DEMs! He won Fair and square!

Broward machines count backward

FORT LAUDERDALE � It had to happen. Things were just going too smoothly.

Early Thursday, as Broward County elections officials wrapped up after a long day of canvassing votes, something unusual caught their eye. Tallies should go up as more votes are counted. That's simple math. But in some races, the numbers had gone . . . down.

Officials found the software used in Broward can handle only 32,000 votes per precinct. After that, the system starts counting backward.

Palm Beach Post

Something is going on here. Why isn't the "liberal" media all over this? There are just too many "glitches".