UKIP Leader Chased Off Streets Of Edinburgh

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Wow, that read like an op-ed piece. There is so much opinion attached to those statistics it looks like an American news website. If you want unbiased news without any opinion, superlatives, or adjectives, check out NHK news... It's cold hard news. I'm blown away by the lack of agenda every time I read it.

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by justwokeup
Sad. That lot are an embarrassment for Scotland.

I wonder how much of the outrage bus rent a mob have actually read the UKIP policies. There is nothing racist in there.

EDL in suits, if that's what you want running your town go for it.

What planet are you on?
EDL are against Muslims.UKIP are against E.U. membership.
Keep drinking Der furher Salmonds Kool aid.The man laps up the E.U.
If you think that's independence then I pity you.
Perhaps check out the date of your beloved SNP's formation before calling others Nazis.The same day as Hitler's birthday,coincidence,I think not.

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by justwokeup

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by justwokeup
Sad. That lot are an embarrassment for Scotland.

I wonder how much of the outrage bus rent a mob have actually read the UKIP policies. There is nothing racist in there.

EDL in suits, if that's what you want running your town go for it.

You are welcome to your opinion. Would you care to link to a racist UKIP policy? I'd be interested to read it.

I'd like to see the foundation for such venom.

edit on 16-5-2013 by justwokeup because: typo

You'll find this an interesting insight into what drives UKip voters.

www.channel4.com...


To argue this all night would be futile from my position, wolves in packs rarely retreat. I just bring you the news.

Yeah right,filled will your own biased hateful additions.

Originally posted by glen200376

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by justwokeup
Sad. That lot are an embarrassment for Scotland.

I wonder how much of the outrage bus rent a mob have actually read the UKIP policies. There is nothing racist in there.

EDL in suits, if that's what you want running your town go for it.

What planet are you on?
EDL are against Muslims.UKIP are against E.U. membership.
Keep drinking Der furher Salmonds Kool aid.The man laps up the E.U.
If you think that's independence then I pity you.
Perhaps check out the date of your beloved SNP's formation before calling others Nazis.The same day as Hitler's birthday,coincidence,I think not.

That's a rather large assumption. I have never voted for the SNP in my life and doubt that I ever would, they too have plenty of closet Tories in their ranks.

Farage, far right? ......................... You are kidding, right?

I think you seriously need to do some research on British Political parties. UKIP and its policies are probably what most sensible thinking Brit actually wants for the UK.

OP, you are obviously anti-English, so you are a Bigot, the lowest form of pond life.

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by justwokeup

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by justwokeup
Sad. That lot are an embarrassment for Scotland.

I wonder how much of the outrage bus rent a mob have actually read the UKIP policies. There is nothing racist in there.

EDL in suits, if that's what you want running your town go for it.

You are welcome to your opinion. Would you care to link to a racist UKIP policy? I'd be interested to read it.

I'd like to see the foundation for such venom.

edit on 16-5-2013 by justwokeup because: typo

You'll find this an interesting insight into what drives UKip voters.

www.channel4.com...


To argue this all night would be futile from my position, wolves in packs rarely retreat. I just bring you the news.

Not really what I challenged you with. I said show me a racist UKIP policy.

You cant, because there isn't one. They are not the same, to group them together is disingenuous. Reading through the UKIP stuff there really isn't anything shocking.

UKIP in policy terms are little further to the right than the Tories were in the 80s. They aren't talking about discriminating against anybody, simply limiting who comes in based on what skills we need. Thats what the USA does for example or canada. I couldn't just emigrate to Canada or the USA unless I could demonstrate I met the particular criteria they were looking for, what they needed. Why on earth should we be different?

To disagree with the positions is fine. Indeed its essential for democracy.They have policies in places that practically beg critique in some areas. The opposition to gay marriage perplexes me for example.

However, to dishonestly play the racism card and intimidate them to silence with a mob is a very bad sign indeed in my opinion.

Originally posted by Wotan
Farage, far right? ......................... You are kidding, right?

I think you seriously need to do some research on British Political parties. UKIP and its policies are probably what most sensible thinking Brit actually wants for the UK.

OP, you are obviously anti-English, so you are a Bigot, the lowest form of pond life.

Bizarre that any 'sensible thinking Brit' would go on the defensive. I'll remember not to try and help you in future.

Oh and another sweeping assumption, yawn.

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So I was wrong,I apologise.
You say that UKIP are full of Tories and so are SNP.
So am I right in thinking that you are one of these liberal types who are liberal as long as everyone agrees with you?
If not you use one of two cards-racism or facist Nazi?
You seriously would rather be bed fellows with Europeans rather than the English?

Maybe my friends across the pond can answer this question for me, as I have been wondering about it for a while.

It is my understanding that the UK is still on the British pound and not the Euro.

How then did they come to be entangled with the EU?

Did they say "We'll keep our currency but join your union?"

Did the people vote on joining the EU, or was it something that some PM said Britain is gong to do? Bankers?

Just interested, because even though I am in the US, I try to keep abreast of world events. It seems like a lot of nonsense coming out of Brussels to be honest.

Originally posted by justwokeup

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by justwokeup

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by justwokeup
Sad. That lot are an embarrassment for Scotland.

I wonder how much of the outrage bus rent a mob have actually read the UKIP policies. There is nothing racist in there.

EDL in suits, if that's what you want running your town go for it.

You are welcome to your opinion. Would you care to link to a racist UKIP policy? I'd be interested to read it.

I'd like to see the foundation for such venom.

edit on 16-5-2013 by justwokeup because: typo

You'll find this an interesting insight into what drives UKip voters.

www.channel4.com...


To argue this all night would be futile from my position, wolves in packs rarely retreat. I just bring you the news.

Not really what I challenged you with. I said show me a racist UKIP policy.

You cant, because there isn't one. They are not the same, to group them together is disingenuous. Reading through the UKIP stuff there really isn't anything shocking.

UKIP in policy terms are little further to the right than the Tories were in the 80s. They aren't talking about discriminating against anybody, simply limiting who comes in based on what skills we need. Thats what the USA does for example or canada. I couldn't just emigrate to Canada or the USA unless I could demonstrate I met the particular criteria they were looking for, what they needed. Why on earth should we be different?

To disagree with the positions is fine. Indeed its essential for democracy.They have policies in places that practically beg critique in some areas. The opposition to gay marriage perplexes me for example.

However, to dishonestly play the racism card and intimidate them to silence with a mob is a very bad sign indeed in my opinion.

Oh I'm so sorry, you seem to have been sunk amongst the barrage of insults I received on page one. Allow to me answer you now.

I didn't say they were racist, not even once. However, since you asked I think it's fair to say the UKip is not a fan of foreigners, or Europe - despite revelling in the fact they have 11 European parliament seats. By closing the doors you effectively become North Korea. By freezing migration and cutting off Europe you're stopping skilled workers from entering, thus damaging foreign investment in British jobs.

It's really a no brainer, personally I couldn't care less who the average Johnny Englander votes for, and it's probably a good idea to keep Labour on their toes with the occasional local election shocker.

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You don't like him much?

He reminds me of Ron Paul, he has the balls to speak about what's wrong with the UK. Anyone who has the establishment this worried should be taken notice of.

He is neither far left or right, just the media tarnishing him that way. Conservative and Labour have an equal number of tossers at both ends.

Originally posted by justwokeup
Sad. That lot are an embarrassment for Scotland.

I wonder how much of the outrage bus rent a mob have actually read the UKIP policies. There is nothing racist in there.

Launching a campaign in Edinburgh is probably the daftest thing he could do. Edinburgh has all the international students, bankers, buy-to-let landlords, and service industry (just about all side-street shops are either ethnic restaurants, hairdressers or charity gift shops). Wealthy parts vote Conservative and just about everywhere else votes SNP or Lib-Dem. All the university cities are like that (Aberdeen, Dundee, Glasgow, Stirling, St. Andrews).

Casting a sample grid over random UKip candidates and this little charmer pops up.



Best of British.

Originally posted by Darkrunner
Maybe my friends across the pond can answer this question for me, as I have been wondering about it for a while.

It is my understanding that the UK is still on the British pound and not the Euro.

How then did they come to be entangled with the EU?

Did they say "We'll keep our currency but join your union?"

Did the people vote on joining the EU, or was it something that some PM said Britain is gong to do? Bankers?

Just interested, because even though I am in the US, I try to keep abreast of world events. It seems like a lot of nonsense coming out of Brussels to be honest.

Britain joined the European Economic Community (EEC). This was an attempt to make a common market. It was sold as a way to improve trade and the UK voted to join in a referendum in 1973.

Since the UK joined the EEC it has transformed into the EU, centralised a lot of control over national governments and gained a common currency. The push from the main EU countries is to further integrate and assume control of member nations financial policy. At no point has the UK public ever been consulted on any of the changes that occurred since 1975.

The British public don't want what exists now, wouldn't have voted for it and if given the choice will most likely vote to leave. None of the 3 main political parties elite leadership wish to provide the population with that choice (although a large portion of the conservative grass roots do).

Hence the rise of UKIP.

Originally posted by Ramcheck
Casting a sample grid over random UKip candidates and this little charmer pops up.

Best of British.

Yes, i always use angry twitter posts in debates about policy.

You still haven't found an actual racist UKIP policy then?

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Far right electorate hero and despicable human being - Nigel Farage, was today sent packing after making his first ... and probably final attempt at spreading his hate campaign north of the border. The people of Scotland responded without haste...

For a start Nigel Farage is NOT far right, he's center right...big difference. He's not spreading hate either. He's spreading popular opinion, and a realistic, sensible and sustainable immigration policy...as opposed to an open door policy for EU immigration, another huge difference to your obviously biased quote.

And finally, 'the people' of Scotland don't exactly total a hastily organised loud rabble of a few handfuls of people does it? If so, Scotland is going to be more empty than i remember it being on my last visit!

This organised 'news worthy' spat of loud people, is without doubt the result of fear about UKIP's recent electoral victories, and fear about how they are threatening to wipe the floor with the other more traditional political groups on the scene...and they are worried silly, with good reason.

Frankly, even if UKIP turn out to be a one term party, which i doubt, they will have served their purpose of forcing both the political and public masses to address issues of great significance facing our small island nation...EU membership and all that that entails, and an open door EU immigrations policy, that will swell our collective debt, drain dwindling resources from British nationals who are increasingly feeling marginalised.

It's not about ceasing immigration, it's about managing it with both intelligence and fairness for the people that count most in the entire equation...the British people.

Up the UKIP!

I'm no fan of ukip, but if that's as far right as Britain ends up it won't be too bad. Just be thankful the BNP arnt getting the same support as ukip. Then that would be something to worry about. Ukip, not so much. They are pretty much a single issue party. Once that issue is resolved, they don't really have any other policies.

They will get a lot of support. The daily mail readership are big fans, with nearly all comments on their website ending with Vote Ukip (creeping trend on ATS).

On the plus side. I think its good for democracy to have more parties. Just a shame the left have no one credible to represent them.

Originally posted by Galvatron
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Odd that you call him far right. From my understanding UKIP is relatively centrist. Conservatives have said in the last series of elections that if you vote UKIP you get Labor, and Labor party has said if you vote UKIP you get Conservative.

This is more to do with splitting the vote. For example if more people vote ukip, it means the Torries get less votes and open up a labour victory. Ukip voters are more likely to vote conservative than labour.

I agree though. I don't think farage is far right.

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Nigel Farage is certainly not far right. Most of his party's policies have gone down well in England recently, they have done very well at recent elections, taking the main political parties, especially the Conservatives, by surprise.

UKIP have done well because people are sick of the same boring politicians from the established parties who say one thing and do another.

He seems like a decent man. who does not tolerate racism, homophobia, etc; in the party, and anyone who displays these traits is quickly ejected...

The hecklers here were an ignorant minority, anti English, and definitely not representative of the Scottish folk I know.

Originally posted by Ramcheck

England, we tried to warn you but you went ahead and began voting in numbers for this right wing nonsense.

When did you 'warn' England please?