Petition "Stop Any and All Islamic Immigration Into the US"

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Thank you, you said it better than I could have.

All very good points that everyone should understand. Throw emotion out of the door and use logic.

Logic? Do you really want logic to play a role in this?

What do African Tribes do when a lion comes in and starts eating the villagers? They kill it.
What do scientists do when a disease invades our country? They find a way to kill it.
What do we do when mosquitoes become too numerous and infect people with West Nile Virus? We spray insecticide to kill them.

What do we do when a religion threatens to dominate, oppress, and kill people for totally ignorant reasons? Answer: Nothing.

And that answer is not logical, nor is it good enough.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
After all, we are a melting pot for the legal immigration of those who sincerely want to be a part of our society.

That may very well be the situation in the United States, however in Europe it's the exact opposite. They immigrate to our countries and instead of "becoming one" with our country the expect us to become one of them.

Go to youtube and search for "Muslims in Malmo". That's one prime example of what's going on Europe wide.

Stop all US drone slaughterization terrorism and funding AlCiaduh and the Taliban in all Muslim countries...
RIGHT NOW!
in case you war mongers have not figured it out yet:
you better stop it over there before you have to stop it over here

"You want to know what bothered me so much about being assigned in Libya? It's not the hardships, it's not the gunfire, it's not the threats. It's dealing & fighting against the people, the programs & the personnel who were supposed to be supporting me. And I added to it by saying, 'Jim (Bacigalupo) for me, it's as if the Taliban is on the inside of the building."

conservativereport.org...

Why not first stop immigration of US forces and military bases on Islamic countries, US chosen puppets and corporations. Havoc, destruction, deaths, refugees.

Then ask if they still so much want to come to US to live a better life.

Originally posted by Danbones
Stop all US drone slaughterization terrorism and funding AlCiaduh and the talibanin all Muslim countries...
RIGHT NOW!
in case you war mongers have not figured it out yet:
you better stop it over there before you have to stop it over here

You won't get any argument from me.

reply to post by jiggerj


If you did argue JJ, I would respect your opinion and double check mine..

how do we get everyone to smarten up and start acting like sane mature responisible adaults?
I think we need sky MODS or something

reply to post by Danbones


Even if ALL the wars in the World were stopped, you would still have people with pressure cookers hellbent on killing people.

Indoctrination starts young. Hate starts young. When those who use the scriptures or Koran, and twist them to their means, you will have deaths on a mass scale.

And how do you fight this way of thinking?

Even a small minority of Muslims (1%) worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number.


Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified Fifty eight percent of American Muslims rejected al-Qaeda outright, 5 % have a favorable view of al-Qaeda and 27% percent couldn’t make up their minds of the terrorist organization.

“It takes a village to make a suicide bomber it’s not just one person waking up and wants to be a suicide bomber, they must be recruited and groomed by Islamic extremist organizations that prepare them, train them and lead them to a target,”,the Heritage Foundation's Middle East analyst James Phillips told Townhall.

New Pew Research Center Study Examines Political and Social Beliefs of Muslims

reply to post by jiggerj


All of those examples you listed could be taken as emotional responses.
If a lion kills a tribes member, you're probably too close in the lions proximity. So you set up deterrents or traps.
It's like when people see a snake and they kill it 'just because'. It's out of emotion from what their perception of snakes are.

Now mind you, we aren't talking about animals here, we are talking about other human beings that also can think logically.

Too much emotion is put into things and people are misconstruing emotion for logic. it's that simple.

If it is about people trying to destroy your way of life...then why not get rid of the anti government people. I am sure most people do not think that way and consider those type of people to the fringe element of society or possible domestic terrorists.

I believe the good Doctor Ron Paul said it best when he said something to the effect that "you'd be pissed too if your Country was being bullied around" and I believe most of this stems from that.

The Radicals hate the West because of the west being bullies and of course for being materialistic. If the West weren't to bully those Islamic Countries, I believe that they'd be a little more willing to turn the other cheek and they most certainly wouldn't hate the west as much as they do.

Ron Pauls' solution was logical. And granted it wouldn't prevent all forms of Muslim extremist attacks but I firmly believe that there would be way fewer than what we've had in the western Countries.

reply to post by kimish

All right, interesting point about logic and emotion. Let me try to stick with reason.

There is a significant number of people in the world, using the Muslim name, who are engaged in murder, arson, and other crimes specifically against those who are not involved in any conflict.

While those people do not believe that is a bad thing, many others do, and believe such activities should be stopped.

Stopping these activities is best done at the level of leadership, either religious, governmental or local.

The record of the Muslim world has been, at best, seriously deficient in stopping these activities. Indeed, some countries and groups have rewarded those people, or protected them.

If the Muslim world is unable to stop the criminals, then the non-Muslim world must.

Non-Muslims, who don't know the culture and players well, can be expected to make mistakes in stopping those activities. The results can be predicted to be excessive deaths, and hurt feelings of pride and nationalism.

Basically, the Muslim world could have stopped this, but chose not to, so the guys with the big boots have to step in.

reply to post by charles1952


I can agree with that. One thing that could help, IMO, is better diplomacy. And that starts with bullies ceasing to be bullies. Granted, it is much deeper than diplomacy and I feel this is where greed takes over and ruins it all.

Regardless, you're gonna have a few rotten berries in the bunch. It's a fact of life.

ETA: Also, the PC brigade the the AA police don't help matters much. Give em an inch and they want the whole foot.

reply to post by charles1952


The guys with the big boots are the ones that are funding and giving weapons to certain Criminals in order to destabilize a country, America has criminals, and you guys are unable to deal with them, should another country like Russia invade and teach you the right way to fight against criminals by bombing your homes and giving everyone the tittle of "terrorist"? and when you the civilians want to escape the threat to another country, that country says "NO, you are terrorists, go back to your country."

I don't think any of you would like it very much, and will be treated as such. What goes around comes around.

reply to post by XaniMatriX

Dear XaniMatriX,

I didn't make my point clear. Every country has criminals, no one has ever, or will ever solve that problem. America takes strong steps (some say too strong) to condemn, hunt down, and punish criminals.

Attacks by Muslims in the US go as far back as the early '70s. If they had been "criminals," conducting ordinary crimes in their own country, the US would have ignored it completely. But they haven't. The US is getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan, but attacks are not going down. So what else is there for a solution?

With respect,
Charles1952

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by Danbones

 

Even if ALL the wars in the World were stopped, you would still have people with pressure cookers hellbent on killing people.

Indoctrination starts young. Hate starts young. When those who use the scriptures or Koran, and twist them to their means, you will have deaths on a mass scale.

And how do you fight this way of thinking?

Even a small minority of Muslims (1%) worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number.


Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified Fifty eight percent of American Muslims rejected al-Qaeda outright, 5 % have a favorable view of al-Qaeda and 27% percent couldn’t make up their minds of the terrorist organization.

“It takes a village to make a suicide bomber it’s not just one person waking up and wants to be a suicide bomber, they must be recruited and groomed by Islamic extremist organizations that prepare them, train them and lead them to a target,”,the Heritage Foundation's Middle East analyst James Phillips told Townhall.

New Pew Research Center Study Examines Political and Social Beliefs of Muslims

edit on 8-5-2013 by sonnny1 because: (no reason given)

Lets be fair here

who is funding the bad Muslims again?:

Newsmax Exclusive: US Hired al-Qaida-Linked Group to Defend Benghazi Mission

The Libyan militia group that the State Department hired to defend its embattled diplomatic mission in Benghazi had clear al-Qaida sympathies, and had prominently displayed the al-Qaida flag on a Facebook page some months before the deadly attack.

That organization, the February 17th Martyrs Brigade, was paid by the U.S. government to provide security at the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya. But there is no indication the Martyrs Brigade fulfilled its commitment to defend the mission on Sept. 11, when it came under attack. !

www.newsmax.com...

get rid of the wackadooddles who have NUCLEAR WMDs

A suicide note at his side explained that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been his patient for the last nine years, had “sucked the life right out of me.”

“I can’t take it anymore,” wrote Yatom. “Robbery is redemption, apartheid is freedom, peace activists are terrorists, murder is self-defense, piracy is legality, Palestinians are Jordanians, annexation is liberation, there’s no end to his contradictions. Freud promised rationality would reign in the instinctual passions, but he never met Bibi Netanyahu. This guy would say Gandhi invented brass knuckles.”

legalienate.blogspot.ca...

and lock up the Hypotwits

Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5

www.evilbible.com...


then if the Muslims still feel inclined to defend them selves we can examine where justice might fall with them
not against them

the pointy finger points both ways No?
lets do it over here before we do it over there

reply to post by kimish

All of those examples you listed could be taken as emotional responses.

Yes. Kill lions to protect my family from being killed. Or even just to keep them from having to live in fear all of their lives.

If a lion kills a tribes member, you're probably too close in the lions proximity. So you set up deterrents or traps.

Yes, again. Stop the lions from entering the village.

It's like when people see a snake and they kill it 'just because'. It's out of emotion from what their perception of snakes are.

I agree that this happens, but if a village were to be overrun by millions of deadly snakes, ya kill em.

Now mind you, we aren't talking about animals here, we are talking about other human beings that also can think logically.

Other human beings that can also think logically? Have you watched the news for the last fifteen years or so?

Too much emotion is put into things and people are misconstruing emotion for logic. it's that simple.

You mean like the riots over a cartoon?
You mean like the riots and deaths over a poorly made youtube spoof of Mohamed?
You mean like the Egyptian woman sentenced to 7 years in prison for switching from Islam to Christianity?
You mean like the little girls shot or had acid thrown in their face for wanting to go to school?
You mean like the little girl lashed to death for being raped by her cousin?
You mean like the couple hundred thousand Muslims rioting in Bangladesh to try and force the government into exterminating those that spoke out against Islam?

If you mean these things as putting too much emotion into it, I wholeheartedly agree.

Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by XaniMatriX

 

Dear XaniMatriX,

I didn't make my point clear. Every country has criminals, no one has ever, or will ever solve that problem. America takes strong steps (some say too strong) to condemn, hunt down, and punish criminals.

Attacks by Muslims in the US go as far back as the early '70s. If they had been "criminals," conducting ordinary crimes in their own country, the US would have ignored it completely. But they haven't. The US is getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan, but attacks are not going down. So what else is there for a solution?

With respect,
Charles1952

Disband all military infrastructures, stop making weapons that are funded by taxes, stop selling criminals weapons.

And what bloody attacks by Muslims in the U.S? you mean CIA attacks? black budget organization attacks on U.S? none of those have anything to do with Muslims.

You say it started in the 70's, well that's when your tax money and mine, started to fund those criminals, so it has nothing to do with Muslims, i don't mean any disrespect, but can we please stop generalizing one nation, as a terrorists nation just because we have some people dressed in their clothing pretending to be Muslims carrying out attacks in their name, in their country, please?

I mean cmon, it's human beings were talking about here.

reply to post by jiggerj


Yes sir, we are in agreement

However, I failed to recognize the emotional aspect on the other parts that you so graciously opened my eyes to.
For that my brother, Danke.

Tough restrictions should be put on said individuals then. Like I stated before, PC brigade and the AA police have done nothing but make matters worse. A slap on the wrist should be a holey paddle to the bum IMO.
Instead of saying "oh, it's their culture, they don't know better" it should be "you're in our Country, obide by our rules or face our punishments". Unfortunately this will not solve the problem but I feel that it may quell some of it. :/

reply to post by Danbones


I hear ya.


Its all based on greed.

brother against brother. Hatred.

Not yet!
They need more Violence

a LOT of muslim crime's are kept hidden.
I have seen it first hand 3 times.