Petition "Stop Any and All Islamic Immigration Into the US"

reply to post by sealing


Again an apples and oranges argument. I'm not advocating putting anyone in camps or genocide. I am simply entertaining a solution to fixing a problem.

And as to the Muslims already here or who lie? Again, I didn't say the plan was fool proof.

reply to post by ratcals

Yes, no other religion is trying to destroy us.

You are under the impression that Islam is?


Where do you get your facts from?


Us meaning U.S. citizens or Christians?

Originally posted by masta12d
It's actually threads and thoughts like this that make me embarresed to call myself human.

Okay, you've had your say. If it embarasses you so much then move along and stay out of this thread. I stay away from the ones I don't care for.

Originally posted by ratcals
reply to post by chadderson

 

I didn't make up the title Radical Islam. Society did. Besides you never hear the term Radical Christian or Radical Jew now do you.

Do you know why or even if what you say is in fact true?

Or is this just ignorant opinion from your limited perspective?

reply to post by chadderson

I don't mean to be addressing you individually, you've just expressed an idea which I have heard many times, and it's the idea I wish to address. (It's also possible that, since I haven't had my coffee, I may go berzerk here.)

Perhaps the author of this thread should educate his/herself on Islam. You will soon learn there is no such thing as a radical muslim, just a radical man.

A Muslim cannot and would never justify killing. If you think otherwise you have allowed the mainstream media to lie to you about Islam.

If that is the case, then how many Muslims do you think there are in the world? Certainly nowhere near the billion plus number which is claimed. Maybe 50 million?

People and governments who call themselves Muslim are killing Christians, Jews, heck even each other, over points of doctrine. It sometimes seems as though there isn't a Muslim (under your definition) left in all of Syria.

Pew recently released a poll with the results of 38,000 interviews. A news article provides this:

A substantial number of Palestinians think suicide bombing is justified, a poll by the PEW Research Center published this week found.

The survey, that polled Muslims in 21 countries worldwide, found that 40 percent of Palestinians believe that attacks against civilians in defense of Islam can be often or sometimes justified.

The support for these attacks was high in the region. Twenty-nine percent of Egyptians supported suicide bombings, and 15% of Jordanians. In Turkey, 15% view these attacks as a legitimate means to defending Islam against its enemies.

In Afghanistan, where suicide bombings against Western targets occur frequently, 39% believed it is a justified means of resistance.

A smaller amount (45%) believe honor killing is sometimes justifiable.

www.jpost.com...
And from the report itself:

In 10 of 20 countries where there are adequate samples for analysis, at least half of Muslims who favor making sharia the law of the land also favor stoning unfaithful spouses.

In Pakistan (89%) and Afghanistan (85%), more than eight-in-ten Muslims who want Islamic law as their country’s official law say adulterers should be stoned, while nearly as many say the same in the Palestinian territories (84%) and Egypt (81%). A majority also support stoning as a penalty for the unfaithful in Jordan (67%) and Iraq (58%).

(I)n six of the 20 countries where there are adequate samples for analysis, at least half of those who favor making Islamic law the official law also support executing apostates.

Taking the life of those who abandon Islam is most widely supported in Egypt (86%) and Jordan (82%). Roughly two-thirds who want sharia to be the law of the land also back this penalty in the Palestinian territories (66%).

Many Muslims express concern about religious extremist groups operating in their country. On balance, more Muslims are concerned about Islamic than Christian extremist groups.

www.pewforum.org...

Adultery, apostasy, suicide bombing, doctrinal differences, go ahead, kill and kill some more. All for the sake of Islam.

Are the religious leaders and government officials rising up as one to tell their people "Stop! This is wrong. We will find and punish Muslim killers. We will stop rewarding them and revering their memories?" Then, let's talk.

reply to post by ratcals


You forgot something tho.

That was Native Americans Vs "British". A vs B.

Current American has so many different cultures in it.

Let me tell you an example in Canada. We can many cultures just as States, possibly more different types, but why aren't 'Muslim so violent compared to Europe? or states?. Simple, other minorities keep them in check.

Because if someone gets treated more, others will demand it as well.

Muslims want the school cafeteria for prayers, you will have Sikhs and Hindus trying to stop that.

So what i am saying is, it would be hard for someone to take "over" now a days.

If Muslims gonna have more babies, tell others to have babies too lol

I think its best to drop the "us" vs "them" attitude.

Originally posted by InhaleExhale

Originally posted by ratcals
reply to post by chadderson

 

I didn't make up the title Radical Islam. Society did. Besides you never hear the term Radical Christian or Radical Jew now do you.

Do you know why or even if what you say is in fact true?

Or is this just ignorant opinion from your limited perspective?

Then educate me, but don't insult me. I don't claim to know everything and am very open to new information. Nut up or shut up.

reply to post by ratcals

Okay, you've had your say. If it embarasses you so much then move along and stay out of this thread. I stay away from the ones I don't care for.

I sympathize with that posters opinion.

I do not want to speak on that posters behalf, but I for one post on threads like these because I believe bigoted "opinions" and "ideas" should be criticized and the promoters of such lunacy ridiculed.

This forum is not a place where you can postulate discrimination and have people simply go "I'm not going to post on that thread because its not my cup of tea".

reply to post by ratcals

Not a fool proof plan, I know.

It is if you wish to create that which you want to destroy.

Additionally, it should be noted that Hispanics were set to become the majority ethnic race in California. So they have had quite a presence in that state for some time. If you haven't been there I can tell you with 100% confidence that there has been no legislation to chance the language from English to Spanish. Why not use that as a bellwether instead of assuming Sharia will rule the country in the future? When you think about it, although many people would like to see them (me, even though I was born here and PR not MEX) leave most people are far more tolerant of them than Muslims. So it would stand to reason that if we weren't Spanishized what makes you think we would be Shariaized? Just curious.....

reply to post by ratcals

They are no different from us and I have no ill will towards their faith.

So what is the whole point of you posting such a contradictory OP, if they are no different from us

reply to post by ratcals


Because when I see someone espousing hate and religious intolerance, I feel it is my duty as a human to simply provide a counter argument. As to the comment of being embarrassed, well how can one blame me when I am surrounded by hate.

Governments force us into a reality that doesn't exist but because they say it does then everyone believes it. Its hilarious that people will come on here and point blame on the government for lies about this and lies about that yet believe the government when they tell us Muslims hate us because we are free. Really?

You OP is illogical anyways, you can't ban a faith and assume that takes care of the problem. In fact, if there wasn't any apposing ideas then the only idea is left unchallenged and if we've learned anything from the past it's that unchecked power will always be used to subvert others. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Originally posted by ratcals

Originally posted by InhaleExhale

Originally posted by ratcals
reply to post by chadderson

 

I didn't make up the title Radical Islam. Society did. Besides you never hear the term Radical Christian or Radical Jew now do you.

Do you know why or even if what you say is in fact true?

Or is this just ignorant opinion from your limited perspective?

Then educate me, but don't insult me. I don't claim to know everything and am very open to new information. Nut up or shut up.

Step one in learning, Saying someone has a ignorant opinion due to a limited perspective is no insult but a fact.

We all have a limited perspective and are ignorant about a number of things, no one knows everything so they are ignorant of somethings, its not an insult.

www.loonwatch.com...


judaism.about.com...

These are just 2 links from typing "radical Judaism" or "radical Christianity" into Google search.

So the terms do exist but are not paraded around as much as "radical Islam" is and if one asks why?

Because if the people of the Middle east were viewed as the same as Americans then how could Americans justify killing their own children? they cant so Islam must be demonized at all costs so war can prevail and power can stay in the hands of the corrupt.

Originally posted by ratcals
reply to post by chadderson

 

I didn't make up the title Radical Islam. Society did. Besides you never hear the term Radical Christian or Radical Jew now do you.

You only strengthen the posters statement, which I happen to like very much... it's something I've been saying a lot lately. There's no extremism that represents any religion or ideology just delusions and a disregard for other people. But if you think that there aren't extremists that claim Christianity or Judaism as their religion and use their religions to base their delusions then you suffer from your own delusions.

To support a banning of any people immigrating to the US is an affront to everything we are supposed to stand for. It's also racist.

You know this petition is from a right winger.

Like the righties love to say...over react much...

Despite the hundreds of thousands and maybe even millions of Islamic people here..and almost nil attacks from them..(minus Boston of course) lets get rid of em all.

One word..IDIOTS.

reply to post by ratcals

Yes, no other religion is trying to destroy us. And yeah, it's my bizarro world

Right there with ya, Ratcals. I don't recognize islam as a religion. It's a violent organization hellbent on ruling the world and every aspect of everyone's life.

Sometimes it really scares me how sooo many people can't see what's coming.

Originally posted by billdadobbie
what ever happened to freedom of religion this is never going to happen

not when im president

But, if you're not a member of Islam then these muslims don't want you as president. If you're an infidel, or even a Muslim but don't adhere to the extremist's way of thinking, then they just want you dead.

Originally posted by ratcals
I'm kind of surprised this hasn't been posted on here anywhere already. I did a search and it turned up nothing.

Here is the complete title of the petition:

Stop Any and All Islamic Immigration Into the US in Light of Islamic Attacks Against The US

I'm probably going to be verbally attacked for this, but I support this petition. Our country is in danger of changing hands (again). It will only be a matter of time before there are enough Mulsims, radical or not, who will have a loud enough voice to influence matters on a national level. Then we will all find ourselves being oppressed under Sharia Law. I can tell you that I did not spend the majority of my life, defending this country, so it comes to this.

Thank you for your time and I approve of this message.

The cars you drive are made in Japan, Europe, and assembled in Mexico, the electronics you use come from China, your numbers are Arabic, your oil comes from Saudi, the clothing you wear also comes from other countries, now to think about it, Americans came from Europe, Africa, China ect ect...

So I just don't understand people like you, the whole damn country was built by immigrants, and all of you use other countries goods on a daily basis, so if your talking about oppressed then dude, that happened when the nation was first taken over by the Spanish.

Originally posted by Kali74


To support a banning of any people immigrating to the US is an affront to everything we are supposed to stand for. It's also racist.

edit on 8-5-2013 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)

edit on 8-5-2013 by Kali74 because: Radicals aren't necessarily violent.

Star for being honest.


Now the Hypothetical.

Would your reasoning change if this guy was at the Boston Marathon, right before the explosions that killed innocent people?



As far as I know, "radical" is radical. Sometimes, the label fits the people, or peoples. Hate is taught, not ingrained in our DNA.

Personally? I believe our immigration should be like Australia's. But that's me......

reply to post by kerazeesicko

3,101 Americans killed and about 1500 wounded by 70 Muslim attacks in the US.

I have to agree with jiggerj.