Stephen Hawking joins academic boycott of Israel

reply to post by Char-Lee


jesus defended himself, not violently, but he defended himself and the faith, verbally, quite often. and he also suggested that you not let your good be spoken of as evil. so rather than being stumped at how christians seem to ignore scriptures that suggest you be a floor mat, you should be stumped about the concept of doing what he did while still magically retaining the ability to be a floor mat. something is clearly not right somewhere.

maybe it has something to do with this

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Apart when he stormed market places with a bunch of fanatics from the mountains armed to the teeth to smash everything to bits to get his point across?

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
reply to post by gladtobehere

 

How long will it take , before He is called Anti-Semite..
Or Crazy.

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Yes he will be labeled that before too long but it is nice to see more high profile people starting to speak out about what is happening over there. I am surprised that the American teachers supported the boycott because everyone claims that all Americans back Israel. Looks like that lie is falling apart.

Christian Americans support Israel. Most teachers are either outright atheists or closet atheists, and the teachers union in America is controlled by out and out lunatic marxists.

Originally posted by Tuttle
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Apart when he stormed market places with a bunch of fanatics from the mountains armed to the teeth to smash everything to bits to get his point across?

ah yes, apart from that.
good point.

armed to the teeth? you sure about that?

Originally posted by neo96
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This is irrelevant. Unless you want to use the distant past to justify for what is happening today. If we do that then we have to point out the bad in every religion

REALLY?

Sitting there saying middle eastern history has no relevance to current events?

Not justifying anything don't give a rats behind because currents events are no different than 2000 years.

Hell 'Palestine' didn't exist til the Romans named it.

Just like Israel didn't exist until the UN said it existed. You are clearly ignoring the the ME was relatively peaceful until the Zionist moved in and formed Israel. You can find many claims the peoples of the three religions lived side by side with no waring.

yea like anybody cares about him lol

Originally posted by abbey7777
The greatest shock I had was when Hawkings in total desperation to work out how the universe was made stated that it all came from nothing,that matter appeared from nothing. When you look deeper into what he said its CREATION but as always he stopped at whether God was involved

It's a miracle he is still alive, he should give thanks to the God he doesn't believe in who loves him

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he should give thanks to science for keeping him alive for so long, if it was god taking care of him, he would have left this life along time ago.

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by neo96
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This is irrelevant. Unless you want to use the distant past to justify for what is happening today. If we do that then we have to point out the bad in every religion

REALLY?

Sitting there saying middle eastern history has no relevance to current events?

Not justifying anything don't give a rats behind because currents events are no different than 2000 years.

Hell 'Palestine' didn't exist til the Romans named it.

Just like Israel didn't exist until the UN said it existed. You are clearly ignoring the the ME was relatively peaceful until the Zionist moved in and formed Israel. You can find many claims the peoples of the three religions lived side by side with no waring.

Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Kuwait, Pakistan. All of these countries were created by the UN/League of Nations or Britain. No one disputes their right to exist. In the case of Pakistan large portions of the original population were displaced and their has been almost constant conflict with its neighbour resulting in thousands of deaths ever since. Yet no one says Pakistan shouldn't exist.

Why the double standards?

Originally posted by mekhanics
reply to post by neo96

 

Hell 'Palestine' didn't exist til the Romans named it.

Hell, it doesn't matter.

Maybe you will learn something ...

Carry off.

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oh my gosh. ....

speechless.

temple mount, in jerusalem, is the site the jews claim solomon built his temple. currently it houses the dome of the rock, a muslim temple, said to be the site at which muhammad would return to the earth. the israelis agreed to let the muslim waqf or something like that, (spelling?) control the site. this is downtown jerusalem on one of the most historic holy sites in the whole country.

why would they do that and then deliberately shoot at other muslims? you sure these border skirmishes are not being instigated by someone who doesn't care about muslims or jews? something is just darn fishy about this whole thing

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Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by Tuttle
reply to post by undo

 

Apart when he stormed market places with a bunch of fanatics from the mountains armed to the teeth to smash everything to bits to get his point across?

ah yes, apart from that.
good point.

armed to the teeth? you sure about that?

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Well thats the thing with anecdotal second hand source material from thousands of years ago, none of it is probably true, so all it really is is anyones best guess. For all we know it was a blood bath, that seems like the logical outcome of it, guerrilla leader from the mountains, coming into town with his fellow cultists and smashing up a busy bazaar?, there'd be guards, mercenaries, town watch all sorts of dangerous people about in that market. But the reality of the situation may not paint our future King Jew God in a very nice light, so best leave out the bit about the merchants guard getting a sharp pointed stick through the eye eh?

No one is saying Israel shouldn't exist, they are there now but they should learn to CO-EXIST with the rest of the world...do you get that folks?!

The reality of the Israeli government and it's agenda is becoming a reality, this is made evident by the fact that so many people distancing themselves from Israel now (Actors, some politicians, people like Dr Hawkings).

If you're going to act like a c.unt then people will call you one eventually, how it works mate.

*raises eyebrow* look at that smirk and the reaction of the audience was more than a bit over the top. i'm betting these guys or their jesuit army, are inciting alot of the stuff that goes in israel and palestine. i mean, in the usa, if some religious figure started getting heckled, our politicians certainly wouldn't stand up and hurl papers at the heckler. they'd probably applaud and laugh the whole time.

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erm it was in the temple. lol not just some bazaar on the street. they were ripping people off, in the temple. in the court of gentiles. foreigners, non jews and jewish women only had access to this part of the temple. the rest of it, was men only.

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Be hard pushed to find someone who doesnt know that story man, just sayin though if it did actualy happen, Id much rather put it into some sort of realistic context you know?

Originally posted by old_god
No one is saying Israel shouldn't exist, they are there now but they should learn to CO-EXIST with the rest of the world...do you get that folks?!

The reality of the Israeli government and it's agenda is becoming a reality, this is made evident by the fact that so many people distancing themselves from Israel now (Actors, some politicians, people like Dr Hawkings).

If you're going to act like a c.unt then people will call you one eventually, how it works mate.

There's plenty of people out there saying that Israel shouldn't exist. That fact that many of them are the same ones that you think Israel should learn to co-exist with is huge problem.

I tend to have my own opinion about matters. I don't need a politician, actor or even a world renowned scientist, speaking outside his area of expertise, to make up my mind for me.

Originally posted by dontreally
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Steven Hawking is the most intelligent person on the planet? Who says?

This is the same who considers himself an authority on whether God exists or not. It's as if when he speaks, the truth has been told.

One wonders whether we treat this man with such godly reverence because he's locked in his body and bound to a wheel chair.

Frankly, he might be the most egotistical person alive.

In any case, this is consistent with his other political interests. His claims about Gods non existence is 100% political in nature, reflecting his solidarity with the new atheists.

Though this is a disturbing development. But in any case, academia isn't quite all on the same page, here. You have your die hard leftists, radicalists, and antisemites, pushing the same idea about Israel. They probably do so for different reasons. Not least of which, in the case of Hawking, is a symbolic attack on the "Jewish" worldview. To just adumbrate this concept: For a long time the west has saw itself in terms of Judaism; Christians replaced the the old "legalist" religion of Judaism, and spent a millenia or so tormenting it's Jews. Then when the Jews were forced into banking by Christian guilds which wouldn't let them join, or feudal law which prohibited them from owning land, then, in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries, when Jews found themselves over-represented (but still a minority overall) in banking and commerce, they were accused (again falsely) of rigging the entire system to suit their interests. Again, the Europeans saw themselves in contrast to the Jews.

And now, like clockworks, here we are again. This time it's the Jewish state that the international community (particularly Muslim and European states) seeks to contrast itself with. And this of course, is perfectly valid. There is no connection here. It isn't at all reflective of some pathological psychological trend - of course not, we have evidence.

And yet, here I am, wondering how on earth someone could boycott Israel, a nation which contributes more to humankind's well being than the entire Muslim world combined. A nation which, despite having the audacity to believe it could return to it's ancient land, a land they had been refused from returning to by political decree, won back its land after fighting for it in 1948. Did things go perfectly? Did injustices occur? As in all wars, yes. But do they deserve this? To be blacklisted? Even though this nation bends over backwards to give political rights to all its citizens; allows political representation to its Arab population (something which is de-jure qualification for "apartheid"), made Arabic a co-official language.

My God....Only someone blind to the details and feverishly swept up by political dramas could fail to understand the reasonability of the Jewish states existence.

I would be all for a two state solution were it not for the Arab worlds obvious ill intent towards Israel.

I agree 100%!!!!!!!!! I wish more people understood these simple facts of history.

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Have you ever served in either side of GAza coflict? I didnt think so.... so stop talking as if you have.

I have, and you dont see me rinsing the Palestinians rightly so after what i KNOW, not believe!

The more you talk, the less it means! I know what i know and that will never change so i dont even need to say it here on ATS, i just like to cringe when i read stupid posts like yours!!!

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Not long will it take for the threats to arrive. I tried fending off the standard changes by first contacting our Jewish ADL - in Chicago - on 2 points -
1 - That Israel has little or no right to threaten other nations over Nuclear Weapon programs, that International Inspectors confirm are not really viable, when they are the only Nuclear armed nation that will not join the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty; or even allow anyone to talk about if they do have 200 to 400 warheads. [If it is not a cover story the reason has been reported as - they got most of their Uranium illegally from the fascist regime in South Africa - awk-WORD!]

2 - IF the being they call "God Almighty" is the one god who talks to men face to face THEN please have this God make an appearance to reaffirm his permission to invade and conquer these lands, again.
[Really REALLY Angry "God" icon here. "You must slaughter every man woman and child there so they can not pollute the blood of this Master Race" WHO said that first?]

WOW did the man from the ADL read me the riot act AND directly threaten my life and liberty telling in loud screams that he was powerful enough to have the local police silence me. He would not give his name of course - fastest way to get these red faced tough guys to shut up and go away - ask for their full name.

So - the man who tells the whole truth, NOT ALLOWED TO SAY HIS NAME AND NO ONE WILL "BELIEVE" IT WHEN I DO - Evil genocidal jerks - can not even say the name of the god who forces them to kill.
Me, the actual smartest man in this World, sorry Steven, yet by our standards being the smartest man on this planet is not saying much. That name once again.... is becoming my catch phrase - as people who put belief ahead of facts fall into confusion that I persist in existing.

Oh, speaking of boycotts - How about all Students and Artists, and Tourists boycott Italy until they drop their insane persecution of poor Ms. Knox?
IF there is no response to THIS post I will know I have been pre-banned even on this site - as on all others.

Guardian.uk.

Stephen Hawking's decision to boycott an Israeli conference in protest at the state's 46-year occupation of Palestine was derided as hypocritical by some, who pointed out that the celebrated scientist and author uses Israeli technology in the computer equipment that allows him to function.

Hawking, 71, has suffered from motor neurone disease for the past 50 years, and relies on a computer-based system to communicate.

According to Shurat HaDin, an Israel law centre which represents victims of terrorism, the equipment has been provided by the hi-tech firm, Intel, since 1997.

"Hawking's decision to join the boycott of Israel is quite hypocritical for an individual who prides himself on his whole intellectual accomplishment. His whole computer-based communications system runs on a chip designed by Israel's Intel team. I suggest if he truly wants to pull out of Israel he should also pull out his Intel Core i7 from his tablet," said Nitsana Darshan-Leitner of Shurat HaDin.

Intel could not be reached for comment, but their website quotes Justin Rattner, chief technology officer, as saying earlier this year: "We have a long-standing relationship with Professor Hawking." He added: "We are very pleased to continue to … work closely with Professor Hawking on improving his personal communication system."

Cambridge University declined to comment on allegations of hypocrisy regarding Hawking's communications system.

• This article was amended on 9 May 2013 to remove a reference to Intel being an Israeli firm. It is a US multinational with bases in Israel.

As a person, Stephen is entitled to defend his beliefs in any way he deems necessary. As a man who should have died in his early twenties and has given so much to the rest of the world and has enabled those who listen to what he has to say to respect such a man who has obviously defied the odds of logic.

I love how Nitsana Darshan-Leitner of Shurat HaDin alludes to he should take his processor away, like Intel is the reason Stephen is so smart. Also notice why the article was amended?

This just makes me think of McCarthyism that I learned about in high school back in the 50's with communism as it relates to the undertones of anti-Semitism.

And here is a thought? The advancements made in Science and Technology sectors are made to perpetuate and prolong the existence of mankind as well as to better understand the world around us and should not be patented to, limited to, benefit one Race or State.

For All Mankind, or is that a slogan some like to hide behind?