Do Words Hurt?

reply to post by LesMisanthrope



Repeating your absurd mantra does NOT make it MORE true.

It also does not increase by a gnat's fart's worth any display of any additional understanding of the essentials of the argument.

Given the detail and clarity of my last posts, I'm almost forced to conclude that there's no intention or capacity on the other side to have a truly understanding dialogue about the true facts and essentials of the argument.

However, the evidence that would support an award for a new, unprecedented level of obtuseness seems to accumulate like snow in a blizzard.

"Lexicon" in the research I cited meant physiological brain level dictionary. Denial of that and pretense that it meant something else is again . . . award winning absurd.

Your assertions are also trashed by the fact that sufficiently accident damaged brain matter in the brain level lexicon area wipes out the WORDS resident in the brain.

IIRC, Your assertions are also rendered silly by the fact that the feral children who were not around people during the very critical years of their life when the language centers were being formed and cemented typically CANNOT develop a brain-level lexicon nor any of the other features of normal language capacities.

However, please do carry on.

Perhaps the flat earther's will enjoy the similarities in argument.

reply to post by BO XIAN


Here's more confirmation that WORDS even can change DNA.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm thinking that my earlier in-the-thread reference to the fact that persistent thoughts and WORDS can change DNA was to the ref'd ATTACHMENTS... book I listed upthread:

ATTACHMENTS: WHY YOU LOVE, FEEL AND ACT THE WAY YOU DO

www.amazon.com...=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1339042498&sr=1-2

I'll try and track down the page number and original source later.

LesMisanthrope
reply to post by BDBinc

 

The experience of verbal abuse is one that induces pain in the person.

I could've sworn you told me it was the words that hurt, BD. So now it is not the words but the experience? Make up your "mind", sir. Words are a part of experience, but they are not in themselves experiences.

edit on 5-12-2013 by LesMisanthrope because: (no reason given)

As I keep telling you the words are not separate from sense and though in a person.
Without the words in verbal abuse there is no verbal abuse.

reply to post by BO XIAN

However, please do carry on.

Wikipedia – Word

In linguistics, a word is the smallest element that may be uttered in isolation with semantic or pragmatic content (with literal or practical meaning). This contrasts with a morpheme, which is the smallest unit of meaning but will not necessarily stand on its own. A word may consist of a single morpheme (for example: oh!, rock, red, quick, run, expect), or several (rocks, redness, quickly, running, unexpected), whereas a morpheme may not be able to stand on its own as a word (in the words just mentioned, these are -s, -ness, -ly, -ing, un-, -ed). A complex word will typically include a root and one or more affixes (rock-s, red-ness, quick-ly, run-ning, un-expect-ed), or more than one root in a compound (black-board, rat-race). Words can be put together to build larger elements of language, such as phrases (a red rock), clauses (I threw a rock), and sentences (He threw a rock too but he missed).

The term word may refer to a spoken word or to a written word, or sometimes to the abstract concept behind either. Spoken words are made up of units of sound called phonemes, and written words of symbols called graphemes, such as the letters of the English alphabet.

Given the detail and clarity of my last posts, I'm almost forced to conclude that there's no intention or capacity on the other side to have a truly understanding dialogue about the true facts and essentials of the argument.

word |wərd|
noun
a single distinct meaningful element of speech or writing, used with others (or sometimes alone) to form a sentence and typically shown with a space on either side when written or printed.
• a single distinct conceptual unit of language, comprising inflected and variant forms.
• (usu. words) something that someone says or writes; a remark or piece of information: his grandfather's words had been meant kindly | a word of warning.
• speech as distinct from action: he conforms in word and deed to the values of a society that he rejects.
• [ with negative ] (a word) even the smallest amount of something spoken or written: don't believe a word of it.
• (one's word) a person's account of the truth, esp. when it differs from that of another person: in court it would have been his word against mine.
• (one's word) a promise or assurance: everything will be taken care of—you have my word.
• (words) the text or spoken part of a play, opera, or other performed piece; a script: he had to learn his words.
• (words) angry talk: her father would have had words with her about that.
• a message; news: I was afraid to leave Washington in case there was word from the office.
• a command, password, or motto: someone gave me the word to start playing.
• a basic unit of data in a computer, typically 16 or 32 bits long.

Yes, let's stick to facts. Is the above fact or fiction?

All you've talked about so far is the brain. I think we can both say without a reasonable doubt that the brain is not composed of, nor does it contain, words. This is a biological fact that is verifiable by anyone who's seen a brain—not a single letter or uttered sound has ever been found in it.

People don't "lose words" (is that technical jargon?) when they injure the brain; they lose the ability to use them, remember them and articulate them.

You've only proven that it is not the words that hurt, but something in the brain that does, as you go on ad nauseum about the brain. I can agree with that. This was the whole point of the thread all along.

reply to post by BDBinc

As I keep telling you the words are not separate from sense and though in a person.
Without the words in verbal abuse there is no verbal abuse.

callipygous

If you hadn't heard of or seen that word before I typed it here, or you don't know what it means, it was therefore separate from your sense and thought.

Abuse is abuse.

reply to post by LesMisanthrope


I wonder . . . when does abject obtuseness turn into outrageous obstancy?

You do not have to believe the FACTS

about the brain housing biochemical lexicons--dictionaries of words encoded in the bio-chemistry of the brain AS WORDS.

You can continue to blather utter nonsense about such facts as long as you are able and have access to the net.

Your blather won't change the facts.

It is interesting that when you can't refute the scientific studies I've cites, you merely continue to insist that you are right and they are wrong . . . or you redefine the facts away in favor of your nosensical blather.

Fascinating . . . slightly.

reply to post by BO XIAN

You do not have to believe the FACTS

Fact; you're talking about the brain. Do I need to show you the definition of words again?

Your blather won't change the facts.

reply to post by LesMisanthrope


Ah, The answer, No, words do not hurt.


Don't confuse Feelings with Reality.


Why is this thread so big? Do people not get this?

reply to post by PRS395


A voice of reason.

I wrote this thread in may or something. I argue the position to this day.

reply to post by LesMisanthrope


I guess we are in more trouble than we thought.

Common sense anyone?

LesMisanthrope
reply to post by BDBinc

 

As I keep telling you the words are not separate from sense and though in a person.
Without the words in verbal abuse there is no verbal abuse.

callipygous

If you hadn't heard of or seen that word before I typed it here, or you don't know what it means, it was therefore separate from your sense and thought.

Abuse is abuse.

The word callipygous was not separate from my sense and thought.
To perceive the word one must have sense.
If you thought I could not sense the word then why would you write it .
Before you typed it it was not separate from [your] sense and thought.

Thanks for your( 5th) conclusion : "callipygous" - pertaining to or having finely developed buttocks



In the case of words hurting the person( your e.g a case of a verbal abuser tormenting a depressed person to suicide- not using gibberish or greek derivatives) you cannot separate the words from the meaning, and make words in context to verbal abuse meaningless/un sensed or not thought of [ no matter how many fan boys you have admiring your buttocks].

PRS395
reply to post by LesMisanthrope

 

Ah, The answer, No, words do not hurt.


Don't confuse Feelings with Reality.


Why is this thread so big? Do people not get this?

What is Reality?

PRS395
reply to post by LesMisanthrope

 

Don't confuse Feelings with Reality.

Please remember that the next time you're having sex with someone you love. And BE SURE to tell them just before orgasm that their feelings for you and your feelings for them are NOT REAL.

Then let us know how that works out for you.

Or when your darling 3 year old tells you on your birthday how much they Love you etc. etc. . . . tell them that you don't care anything about their love feelings for you because they aren't real.

Then report yourself for child abuse.

reply to post by BDBinc

The word callipygous was not separate from my sense and thought.

This word was out of your senses and mind entirely before I wrote it down for you. Hence words were out of your mind and separate from your mind. You said "As I keep telling you the words are not separate from sense and though in a person". You're a person and the word was out of your sense and thought.

you cannot separate the words from the meaning

I just did. You read a word and you had to run and find meaning for it. The word was without meaning until you did so. Is that the word's fault? or yours?

LesMisanthrope
reply to post by BDBinc

 

This word was out of your senses and mind entirely before I wrote it down for you. Hence words were out of your mind and separate from your mind.

What an absurd great flying leap of irrational nonsense.

That's akin to saying that . . . The levee in Fuzhou was out of your mind before I mentioned it--so it must not exist. Sheesh, what nonsense.

We can document that words WHICH HAVE BEEN LEARNED as part of a viable language the child is becoming familiar with--HAVE BECOME RESIDENT, HARDWIRED IN THE BRAIN of the child.

NOT so, words the child has NOT learned! DOH!

It boggles my mind that one needs to even state such common sense FACTS. However, this thread began several galactic clusters well beyond common sense.

Here's another scientific type document about WORDS resident IN the BRAIN . . .

www.ling.upenn.edu...
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LINGUISTICS 101

[BoX emphases added]

. . . Over the same period, we've learned a great deal about the localization of different linguistic abilities in different regions of the brain, and also about how neural computation works in general. However, our understanding of how the brain creates and understands language remains relatively crude. One of today's great scientific challenges is to integrate the results of these two different kinds of investigation -- of the mind and of the brain -- with the goal of bringing both to a deeper level of understanding.
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. . . From literally thousands of studies, we know that word frequency has a large effect on mental processing of both speech and text: in all sorts of tasks commoner words are processed more quickly than rarer ones, other things equal. However, we don't know for sure how this is implemented in the brain. Is "neural knowledge" of more common words stored in larger or more widespread chunks of brain tissue? Are the neural representations of common words more widely or strongly connected? . . .

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. . . However, their non-fluency causes them much frustration, and they are said to be unhappier than Wernicke's patients, who are often blissfully unaware that nothing they say makes any sense at all, and whose higher-level thinking processes are often as haphazard as their language is.
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. . . Ullman proposes that what we think of as lexical knowledge (the association of meaning and sound for morphemes, irregular wordforms and fixed or idiomatic phrases) is crucially linked with the declarative, temporal-lobe system, while what we think of as grammatical knowledge (productive methods for real-time sequencing of lexical elements) is crucially linked to the procedural, frontal/basal-ganglia system. . . .
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Ullman argues that declarative and lexical memory both involve learning arbitrary conceptual/semantic relations; that the knowledge involved is explicit, i.e. relatively accessible to consciousness; and that they involve lateral/inferior temporal-lobe structures for already-consolidated knowledge, and medial temporal-lobe structures for new knowledge . . .

. . .

I just did. You read a word and you had to run and find meaning for it. The word was without meaning until you did so. Is that the word's fault? or yours?

What brilliance!

"6 igloos times 12 chickens = 72,000 smithereens."

is as equally sensible as your assertion above.

OF COURSE unlearned words are not associated with meaning IN THE BRAINs of those WHO have NOT learned said words.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO what? It bears not at all on the silly assertions in the OP and since.

Merely noting that some folks have not learned certain words, yet . . . offers NO HELP WHATSOEVER to your OP silliness.

I'm incredulous that you seem to think otherwise. It boggles my mind that you'd publicly display seemingly no understanding that your assertion is absurd on the face of it. And thought about it does NOT make it less absurd.
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edit on 6/12/2013 by BO XIAN because: tags

Yes I would say words hurt, though many of them we have to come to terms with how they would relate to us. Before I was single and now in a relationship I find a lot of words my significant other states do hurt whereas if I was single I simply would have taken it as a joke or something, but opening my heart up has made the words like knives. I strive to be as nice as possible to people and generally always think twice ( sometimes three times ) before I attempt to say anything just to help others have a good day or cheer them up if they have been victimized by certain words.

Some added bits from that course:

www.ling.upenn.edu...

Linguistics 001 Lectures 8 & 9 Sound Structure of Language

[N.B.: these are the on-line lecture notes for both lecture 8 (Phonetics) and lecture 9 (Phonolology).]

. . .

Apparent design features of human spoken language

We can list a few characteristics of human spoken languages:

Large vocabulary: 10,000-100,000 items

Open vocabulary: new items are added easily

Variation in space and time: different languages and "local accents"

Messages are typically structured sequences of vocabulary items

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. . .

Experiments on vocabulary sizes at different ages suggest that children must learn an average of more than 10 items per day, day in and day out, over long periods of time.
. . .

Where do the children PUT the WORDS THEY HAVE LEARNED?

In their big toes?

Maybe in their knee caps?

Perhaps the OP would suggest in their left or right buttock?

NOPE . . . drum roll . . .

IN THEIR BRAINS! . . . The words are RESIDENT IN THEIR BRAINS! What a common sense and scientific sense FACTOID!

. . .

. . . Phonological representations are digital, i.e. made up of discrete elements in discrete structural relations. . . .
. . .

i.e. the REPRESENTATIONS IN THE BRAIN of the WORD'S SOUNDS.

. . .

Just a bit more evidence that WORDS ARE resident IN the BRAIN in BRAIN STRUCTURE CODED FORM.
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reply to post by BDBinc


If I have to explain it to you......


Example; If you place your hand on a table and I take one of your fingers and peel the finger nail off with a set of needle nose pliers, IS THAT REALITY?

If you haven't suffered any previous nerve damage, you should feel a little prick, right?!

BO XIAN

PRS395
reply to post by LesMisanthrope

 

Don't confuse Feelings with Reality.

Please remember that the next time you're having sex with someone you love. And BE SURE to tell them just before orgasm that their feelings for you and your feelings for them are NOT REAL.

Then let us know how that works out for you.

Or when your darling 3 year old tells you on your birthday how much they Love you etc. etc. . . . tell them that you don't care anything about their love feelings for you because they aren't real.

Then report yourself for child abuse.

This is dangerous and immoral, what is it that people aren't getting? Did any of you have parents that raised you?


Don't confuse Feelings with God and Love.

Mixing children and confusing your feelings is more than disturbing which I am not part of your Man Child thinking and or behavior.

Love is God and God is Love! My feelings are not part of Gods equation, though my actions are.


This is the only thing that works.

PRS395
reply to post by BDBinc

 

If I have to explain it to you......


Example; If you place your hand on a table and I take one of your fingers and peel the finger nail off with a set of needle nose pliers, IS THAT REALITY?

If you haven't suffered any previous nerve damage, you should feel a little prick, right?!

Your answer pulling off one of my finger nails that did not really explain what you think reality is .
I will try asking again, what is reality?
Please do explain it to me.