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Words exist in the mind as words. When I perceive a word in my mind I perceive a word.
When my mind tells me I see a house then yes I have an house in my mind. Everything I sense goes through the mind, the mind can be easily tricked. The mind can tell me of the appearance of thoughts of things that are not what they seem as the case of optical illusions.
There are hundreds of thousands of words and my mind does I do not know the meaning of them, the meaning is unknown to my mind. Foreign language is jibberishs to my mind . I do not try to communicate ideas in French words to English word speakers who do not know this language.
Persons(minds) who speak different languages to other persons(minds) that cannot understand those words don’t usally hurt others with their words they tend to confuse them as the foreign language is jibberish not recognized by the mind/person as “words”. Do those jibberish foreign letters hurt you ?No because the mind(person) is not separate from the jibberish (letters)that is appearing in it.
A reasoning mind will not replace words as we know them compare them to jiberish, or keep saying words exist outside the mind and don't hurt persons in cases of verbal abuse (that by your example, can hurt so much that it becomes intolerable to live).
I know you still want to say words are outside the mind therefore words don't have meaning but its just no the case.
The meaning of words is in the mind.
Where do you think words exist outside your mind?
How do you perceive words without your mind?
LesMisanthrope
Words exist in the mind as thoughts. You can think about words. Actual words aren't existing in your head. This is common sense.
You do not have a house in your head. Houses are bigger than you, and therefore, no house can fit in your head. You have a thought about a house, not an actual house. Likewise, you have a thought about a word, not an actual word in your mind. This is common sense a child can understand.
The entire earth would be the prison; I suppose pediphiles in one separate place, serial killers in another and on and on free to feast upon one another but separate from other criminals. A free for all; but their prey is/are exactly the beings they are themselves
Ive thought about why Earth was isolated in the first place, not only its local but the fact its three dimensional gross matter in form, not gaseous or frozen gas, Mars is the only other one but lost its atmosphere. I have no idea where we would go living in this low frequency. We'd have to rise (become lighter) or Earth forces us to as the prime generator of a higher vibration; that could be ugly resulting in many lives lost.
Some believe Mars was a colony long ago and destroyed itself as a warring planet, much like the native americans could not get along with themselves, add the tweak of federal calvery armies, gone. We have seen every variation of life play out in history on this planet. Its astounding to think so many different civilizations have manifested here AT THE SAME TIME in different quarters on this planet. I think we have to be nearing a tipping point, that weve done it all, expirenced EVERY breakthough, strife, calamity imaginable. Science Fiction writing or parable is doing this without it actually having to happen as it happens virtually and not needed to happen in the actual.
I really do believe this entire planet was set up a 'living library' for many off planet beings to create freeform creature replicas of their own desire perhaps mimicking there own existance. These beings do not live in gross matter, they are of the etheral. We do the same thing today as humans with the film industry; we are them mirroring themselves. You would bring up the domestic chicken! Pet or edible foodstuff some 'God Ostrich of all feathered' decided to give to us as good joke,
I see you are still spewing nonsensical gibberish about words.
Words have many representational forms . . . sounds--phonemes, text, magnetized bits on tape etc.
AND . . . drum roll . . . bio-chemical/electrical representations, codings in the brain.
So, CERTAINLY we can say that words ARE in the brain . . . along with other symbols . . . e.g. tye Yield sign shape . . . stop sign shape etc.
You make it sound like "thoughts" are devoid of words as well as devoid of representational forms of words.
WHAT NONSENSE.
Have you ever had a single linguistics course?
Have you ever had a single psycho-linguistics course?
Have you ever had a single course in brain physiology?
Sigh.
word |wərd|
noun
a single distinct meaningful element of speech or writing, used with others (or sometimes alone) to form a sentence and typically shown with a space on either side when written or printed.
• a single distinct conceptual unit of language, comprising inflected and variant forms.
• (usu. words) something that someone says or writes; a remark or piece of information: his grandfather's words had been meant kindly | a word of warning.
• speech as distinct from action: he conforms in word and deed to the values of a society that he rejects.
• [ with negative ] (a word) even the smallest amount of something spoken or written: don't believe a word of it.
• (one's word) a person's account of the truth, esp. when it differs from that of another person: in court it would have been his word against mine.
• (one's word) a promise or assurance: everything will be taken care of—you have my word.
• (words) the text or spoken part of a play, opera, or other performed piece; a script: he had to learn his words.
• (words) angry talk: her father would have had words with her about that.
• a message; news: I was afraid to leave Washington in case there was word from the office.
• a command, password, or motto: someone gave me the word to start playing.
• a basic unit of data in a computer, typically 16 or 32 bits long.
Oxford English Dictionary
Full Definition of WORD
1
a : something that is said
b plural (1) : talk, discourse
IF there was NO representation of WORDS
IN
your brain, you'd have NO THOUGHTS with words, about words.
LesMisanthrope
reply to post by BO XIAN
Grab a photo of the brain and point to me where those words exist.
vethumanbeing
The entire earth would be the prison; I suppose pediphiles in one separate place, serial killers in another and on and on free to feast upon one another but separate from other criminals. A free for all; but their prey is/are exactly the beings they are themselves.
galadof3
Not the whole world, this whole universe, this whole vibration, this whole dimenshion, is many things. But one of which you can say its an egg, another being a sort of prison. Why is it that you never see anything out there beyond your scope? Go ahead get off earth and spread to the corners of the galaxy...But what if...There is nothing there...Nothing anywhere.
VHB
Ive thought about why Earth was isolated in the first place, not only its local but the fact its three dimensional gross matter in form, not gaseous or frozen gas, Mars is the only other one but lost its atmosphere. I have no idea where we would go living in this low frequency. We'd have to rise (become lighter) or Earth forces us to as the prime generator of a higher vibration; that could be ugly resulting in many lives lost.
Galadof3
As George Carlin said. The earth just may shake us off like a bad case of fleas....So do you feel like a threat to the planet this week? May just be worst case scenario were earth leaves us behind at a faster rate then we can keep up. It could have happened to the martians for all anybody knows, and many other countless life and civilizations, as many as there are stars, in this experiment we call life.
VHB
Some believe Mars was a colony long ago and destroyed itself as a warring planet, much like the native americans could not get along with themselves, add the tweak of federal calvery armies, gone. We have seen every variation of life play out in history on this planet. Its astounding to think so many different civilizations have manifested here AT THE SAME TIME in different quarters on this planet. I think we have to be nearing a tipping point, that weve done it all, expirenced EVERY breakthough, strife, calamity imaginable. Science Fiction writing or parable is doing this without it actually having to happen as it happens virtually and not needed to happen in the actual.
Galadof3
Oh there is many, and much more to manifest that's for sure. In fact I dont think were the most potent or even the most breakthrough civilization that has manifested here. Were fiction and fact mix there is always a little room for boundaries to expand and eventually expound upon what and why it all expanded exponentially on.
VHB
I really do believe this entire planet was set up a 'living library' for many off planet beings to create freeform creature replicas of their own desire perhaps mimicking there own existance. These beings do not live in gross matter, they are of the etheral. We do the same thing today as humans with the film industry; we are them mirroring themselves. You would bring up the domestic chicken! Pet or edible foodstuff some 'God Ostrich of all feathered' decided to give to us as good joke,
Galadof3
Soul traps...Whats a soul some would ask. Anything that is but a mirror of your current self, the world around you, your existence your vibration is your soul its you looking in and out and through you. In Hollywood this is known as holding the audiences complete and full attention, everything around you is a mirror of your soul. Life love and death are all there to hold your attention, all while the cogs turn, and energy is ever created and released.
Galadof3
Is it not the same in Hollywood movies and even in all other mediums, somebody or some group creates something to "catch" the attention of others and there by ensnare and you can even say put a "spell" on them to reach certain ends, in hollywoods and many others case that end is $$$. The push and pull, the ebb and flow of life and this existence this whole world is exactly that only on a whole nother level, and its ends are different, yet you can say that the concept remains the same.
ACTUALLY . . . you are wrong AGAIN.
Some recent latest imaging technology research is almost at that point.
I think there's a thread on ATS about it. I forget the title.
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However, you seem to have an ATSer "Olivet" 's style of blathering pontifically about your fantasies . . . so carry on. The mental gymnastics to support your fantasies about words must take a lot of time and energy. At least it's a reasonably harmless obsession.
And you continue to think speech exists outside the mind and yet you cannot tell me how and by whom these "outside the mind words" are perceived or where they exist if you have no perception of them.
You mistake has been you separate words from meanings and the mind ( jibberish) and then make claims about things that do not exist outside the mind.
LesMisanthrope
Yes, humans speak words and think about words.
Just like you could never find me a mind, you could never find me a word that exists in it. You are simply confessing your imagination, being unable to point to anything that verifies the presence of words in minds.
Perception is an ability, not a place where things exist. Things do not exist in abilities; things perform abilities.
To perceive is an action, not a place where things exist.
Wow we are really off topic here, not at the end of thread anymore apparently?! Alright, include the universe as well; not just this planet that vibrates in the 3rd dimension; but thats the point, its this planet only that does this (its not frozen gas or hot gas observable). Its a living thing with lifeforms existing and vibrating to it; otherwise we would not be here. We dont have the capacity to externalize to the higher realms; used to to but that ability was taken from us (nuetralized confinement from our God sourse).
It has been making clear those attempts lately. I think the earth is rising in fequency (YES) and those that cannot rise with it are dieing. The persons born of late, the last 30 years are more attune to this process than say my parents. I do believe there have been many civilizations living upon earth much more advanced that our worldwide cultures existing now. They destroyed themselves (
I couldnt agree with you more; we are captive audiences of our own dilemas shown to us (the hilarious part is we PAY MONEY to watch our shennanigans demonstrated to us) as an ENTERTAINMENT source FOR US humans!
The dollar part of it is what seems to me to be so incidious, no wonder the eastern religions view the west as tainted (unpure) gratification seekers; although if I were being given 'oil money' doles to the point I didnt have work for a living I could build that 10 story high soapbox (hypocrites). Its as you say the pushme pullyou llama of Dr. Doolittle fame, there must be friction to cause change (sometimes a little destruction helps the process along even more so).
Abstract
The present article deals with theoretical and experimental aspects of language representation in the multilingual brain. Two general approaches were adopted in the study of the bilingual brain. The study of bilingual aphasics allows us to describe dissociations and double dissociations between the different subcomponents of the various languages. Furthermore, symptoms peculiar to bilingual aphasia were reported (pathological mixing and switching and translations disorders) which allowed the correlation of some abilities specific to bilinguals with particular neurofunctional systems. Another approach to the study of the bilingual brain is of the experimental type, such as electrophysiological investigations (electrocorticostimulation during brain surgery and event-related potentials) and functional neuroanatomy studies (positron emission tomography and functional magnetic resonance imaging). Functional neuroanatomy studies investigated the brain representation of languages when processing lexical and syntactic stimuli and short stories. Neurophysiologic and neuroimaging studies evidenced a similar cerebral representation of L1 and L2 lexicons both in early and late bilinguals. The representation of grammatical aspects of languages seems to be different between the two languages if L2 is acquired after the age of 7, with automatic processes and correctness being lower than those of the native language. These results are in line with a greater representation of the two lexicons in the declarative memory systems, whereas morphosyntactic aspects may be organized in different systems according to the acquisition vs learning modality.
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Language can also be studied using brain imaging techniques. Positron emission tomography studies show that many of the expected areas of the brain have increased blood flow during language tasks, but there are also areas on both hemispheres that are activated. Therefore, it appears that even the hemisphere that is not dominant for language (usually the right side) has some involvement in language. Actually, people have problems communicating the emotions involved with language when they have damage to the right side of the brain in the area where on the left side it is used for language. This disorder is called an "aprosodia."
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Abstract
The manner in which the human brain processes grammatical-syntactic and lexical-semantic functions has been extensively debated in neurolinguistics. The discreteness and selectivity of the representation of syntactic-morphological properties in the dominant frontal cortex and the representation of the lexical-semantics in the temporo-parietal cortex have been questioned. Three right-handed adult male neurosurgical patients undergoing left craniotomy for intractable seizures were evaluated using various grammatical and semantic tasks during cortical mapping. The sampling of language tasks consisted of trials with stimulation (experimental) and without stimulation (control) from sites in the dominant fronto-temporo-parietal cortex The sampling of language implicated a larger cortical area devoted to language (syntactic-morphological and lexical-semantic) tasks. Further, a large part of the fronto-parieto-temporal cortex was involved with syntactic-morphological functions. However, only the parieto-temporal sites were implicated with the ordering of lexicon in sentence construction. These observations suggest that the representation of language in the human brain may be columnar or multilayered.
Copyright 2000 Academic Press.