Poll shows 29 percent of voters think 'armed revolution' might be needed

Originally posted by Vasa Croe
Now you are talking about educational standards....completely different than the previous argument. Sure the public education system may be better in the UK and other countries through grade school, but that has nothing to do with the argument at hand and with what you have previously stated about Americans believing crazy things.

The argument that inadequate education may well lead to people espousing incorrect, distorted and sometimes crazy notions is pretty hard to counter, I think. And you have not succeeded in this.

That article on ranking is also not taking into account private school systems, only public, and only through the equivalent of high school graduation.

I taught at a private University a while ago, I can tell you that the students coming to this Ivy League school were often far, far, far from stellar.

So....if Americans are so crazy and uneducated then how do we consistently rank above all other countries in terms of the top Universities in the World? And not just by a little....we ran 40 schools in the top 100 in the World...

There are a few things at play here:
a) we are still riding the tail of the Great America that this country used to be
b) top US Universities attract a lot of quality students from all over the world. It's a positive feedback loop.
c) in terms of research, the US University-based research depends in a non-trivial manner on influx of talented individuals from all over the globe.

I'm not here to bash America, I love my country but hey, might as well be realistic of what it has become. At to the supposed 29%...

a) I have friends and acquaintances from all walks of life and all parts of the political spectrum. Somehow, I don't think that this metric, 29% is anywhere near the truth.

b) If there are radicals out there who really want the "armed revolution", they will need to first let go of their TV remote and cancel that Superbowl event, the 4th of July BBQ, the Monster Truck show, and (shock, shudder) even that cruise to the Bahamas. Depending on the person. In reality, they would be facing a tough choice, and I'd wager the "armed revolution" would lose out to more important things.

Originally posted by sulaw
reply to post by Shadow Herder

 

29 % of Americans lack the ability to think for themselves or intelligently.

The problem is that people subconsciously are aware that their lives are pointless, they are useless, powerless, unoriginal, and quite pathetic. This is a growing awareness. People now want collapse, chaos, aliens, terrorism as to add some meaning or purpose to their lives.

Idiots buy guns and use them, others have to buy guns to protect from those idiots not knowing that they too have the tendencies of the idiot. So as you can see there are too many idiots. Too many people drink, own guns and have no purpose in life. they begin to form the delusion that big government is coming for there ultra important lives and snooping on there web-porn habits.

As you can see that the nation is paranoid and lacking understanding and true knowledge

Wow~ With an outlook on life like that.... I mean who has a Fight Club Brad pitt in retro colors

... Unoriginal.... So I clump you into the same category as your post. And nobody is better than anyone else. Not even if you are a non drinking, non gun owning and have given yourself a freak sense of self entitlement.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
I find it interesting that people are ignoring this:

The most recent survey by Fairleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind was conducted by telephone from April 22 through April 28, 2013 using a randomly selected sample of 863 registered voters nationwide

Source

Yup. 29% of 863 people surely represents the entire voting population. Dear god. I could poll more people on my way home from work than this poll used as a sample size.

Oh and lets not forget this tidbit:

the survey finds that overal l, a quarter (25%) of Americans think that facts about the shootings at Sandy Hook elementary last year are being hidden and an additional eleven percent are unsure.

I assure you, 25% of the voting american population does NOT believe that.

Go ahead, follow my source link, has the questions asked, the methodology, all of it.

A sample size less than 1000? Sorry, not worth a dime. Oh, but it's done completely randomly and computer generated for random land line calls nationally.

I call shenanigans and I'd like to see ACTUAL demographics, was this an actual random national sample? Sure doesn't feel like it to me. In fact, it almost seems like maybe they polled Austin Texas exclusively.....

What is your understanding in statistics? A random sample of 863 people has 15 possible failures and successes. That is more than enough people to gauge a good chunk of the U.S. population as far as statistics are concerned.

Secondly, how does one from Canada know how 25% of what Americans really think? If you had it your way, I suppose you would rather shut the lights off and throw darts at a conclusion instead of using stats to figure it out.. No thanks.

Revolution may sound interesting, but against the U.S. it may be a losing battle, unless you get help, like the Vietnamese.

The best way to fight is to spread the word, in a manner that does not seem paranoid. The people agree with you guys (to a certain extent), for example, go to google news and pick a range of a news stories, look at the comments section. You will quickly see there is a disconnect between the way the media portrays a story and the way the general public perceives it, and this is widespread.

The media is trying to cover up or plaster over nationwide feelings of discontent, completely unrelated to the economy. It has to do with privacy, the right to ones own thoughts, the ability to express one's opinion without the fear of having the government "punish" you though constant monitoring of all forms, the ability to alter the government at a fundamental level, etc.

The general public is finding out that we have less control and influence over the government than we thought, the government isn't here to serve us, we are here to serve it.

Originally posted by MrSpad
I would like to meet these 29 percent who think that a lovely Syrian style civil war would be something they would enjoy. I wonder if they would prefer the complete loss of all their freedoms at the hands of whoever grabbed power in their neck of the woods, the mass starvation, complete economic collapse of not only the US but a good chunk of the world, and several generations of people fighting over whatever resources are left with other nations hopping in and taking whatever natural resources they want. I would guess these people have complete lack of historical knowledge, no common sense, low IQs or are a little crazy. Most likely a mix of all of them.

In a sense it is like an abused wife and why she will not bring charges nor leave her abuser.

Originally posted by ratcals
I did a search and found nothing. I cannot believe this hasn't been posted yet because this is exactly the kind of thing many of the people here envision happening.

Polls are used as propaganda.

They are another part of the agenda.

So is revolution, ALL of them have been orchestrated throughout history.

Pollaganda uses outcome-based opinion samples (polling instruments designed to generate a preferential outcome) reflecting prior-opinion indoctrination or cultivation by the media. The results are then used to manipulate public opinion further by advancing the perception that a particular opinion on an issue enjoys majority support. The MSM then presents this "data" as if it were "news." patriotpost.us...

Public Policy Polling (PPP) should be ashamed of themselves

I believe its fairly common knowledge that PPP is a biased propaganda outlet for the DNC. www.redstate.com...

Public Policy Polling doesn’t like being called out for its blatant bias and idiocy, you see.

@ppppolls And you want people to believe you are a non-partisan polling org? Why not just admit you are bought and paid for my the DNC— twitchy.com...

In one example, PPP were accused of “cheerleading” for Obama after announcing that Obama had extended his lead in Ohio beyond the margin of his 2008 victory, leading to claims that the agency was “paid by the SEIU” and exhibiting “blatant bias and idiocy.”

Others have accused PPP of deliberately including flagrantly bias questions in their surveys that are designed to elicit an overwhelmingly positive response in favor of Obama.

www.infowars.com...

Lol, if there was ever any doubt that PPP is a corrupt mouthpiece for the DNC and guilty of agenda polling at it's worst, the +9 Republican sample in this poll shows it in all it's glory. Even in 2010 Republicans were only +3 in turnout and PPP has them +9? PPP you are a joke.

www.publicpolicypolling.com...

Why do think PPP even cares about their credibility? PPP exists to get Obama re-elected. Credibility is meaningless. All that matters to PPP is getting Obama re-elected. People need to stopping reading and quoting PPP polls. They are bias on purpose. They are garbage. PPP polls are Obama propaganda.

race42016.com...

reply to post by Shadow Herder


Hey Shadow, despite what you may think, violence actually does solve problems. While I will be the first to admit that in a perfect world, violence would cease to be used in whole but alas, we just are not quite there yet as a species and until we are, violence is how all major forces defending their way of life, values and rights secure their freedom.

Apparently, you are happy to suspend the entire history of the civilized world and how differences are resolved and instead indulge yourself in a moral fantasy where everyone with a gun is a violent redneck itching to shoot somebody and there is no tyranny or will never be a need to protect liberty from the grip of tyrants.

Tell me, what color is the sky where you are?

reply to post by Shadow Herder


Nosce te ipsum..... Really....? I know myself just fine thank you.

Really spit latin at me? I have the rosetta stone of Google I am impressed not.

Originally posted by Helious
Hey Shadow, despite what you may think, violence actually does solve problems.

I'm not so sure about that anymore.

IF that were true, why have all revolutions been orchestrated by TPTB?

OWS is a perfect example...

There is a massive amount of undeniable evidence that shows Lucis trust, George Soros, etc etc are behind it.

This all just scares me. no one is even taking into consideration the idea that this feeling, this 'wanting' an armed revolution is likely by design. That people are being manipulated into wanting a fight.

Can anyone forsee a better way to clamp down on a nation than by coercing them into a revolution, thus enabling the government to say "see, things are out of hand. Homegrown terrorism is everywhere. We MUST take greater control".

Truly, truly frightening that no one even considers this.

this "poll" is flawed....
1...armed revolution from what type of government?...fascist, or communist leaning ?
2...4 sections of the country were studied, 59% combo of west and south, 41% combo of Midwest and north
3..."new laws passed" (vague) should have read ...backround law passed (specific)
4..."some people are hiding the truth of sandy hook" falsely implies that what has been reported is a lie, and the only argument is how many people....some, a lot, half, most, a few, etc....

just a couple off the top of my head

reply to post by sulaw


Nobody is better than anyone else? Interesting comment. I don't think you are a communist, so maybe you intended to say, "Nobody is more powerful than anyone else if everyone is armed and ready to pull the trigger."

That might explain a lot about why many people are absolutely obsessed with firearms and certain other people are threatened by them. Maybe it's all it's about leveling the "personal empowerment" playing field. The 2nd amendment is hand waving.

BTW your personal armament will not protect you against the government. It will only ensure a more violent suicide. So if violent suicide is the goal for this 29%, then I understand.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


The final tip-toe into fascism is the internal enemy.

Here's my problem with the idea of any kind of revolution right now: It wouldn't be a revolution; it would be a civil war.

We're not talking about the people fighting against a corrupt government here. We're talking about people who hold certain political ideologies wanting to violently remove those with opposing views from office. Fighting over ideologies doesn't get any one anywhere and only opens the door to tyranny.

I could easily get behind some kind of uprising in which the people finally woke up to the fact that our politicians, regardless of political orientation, are all corrupted and in collusion with the corporations, who fill their pockets, to siphon the wealth in the country up to the those at the top.

Our problem isn't socialism, communism, theocracy, Naziism, or anything like that. It's corporatism. The government and the corporations are colluding with each other in a quid-pro-quot relationship to ensure their continued survival, respectively. Meanwhile, the corporate-owned media is pumping out the propaganda that gives the illusion that it is a conservative or liberal problem in order to keep us distracted from identifying the real enemy that is tearing this country apart.

That enemy isn't your tree-hugging neighbor. It isn't your gun-toting uncle. It's the corrupted, money-hungry politicians and corporations (and by proxy, the lobbyists) who are passing legislation after legislation that ensures their continued wealth and positions of power while the masses are left to squabble of pennies in the street.

Let it happen, then all the violent, mean. nasty, anti-establishment dole bludgers will be killed of and the country can move forward.

Just like wart, revolution thins out the rot.

government turns you into a monster, then they call you one

Armed revolution....No Thank You, maybe back when it was our sons in daughters in uniform we had a chance... Now a days they have drones and the power to use em on YOU HERE IN AMERICA... Nope no thanks I'll just move to another Country before I die In The rise of the machines that's coming if an armed revolution kicks off.

What is the point ?

The only point I can get is that they want to put more pressure on people.

BTW , no one is going to do poll with low degree in NSA.

And at least the results are highly classified.

So the whole thing is highly suspicious and not credible.

reply to post by ratcals


I am not at that point myself and it would have to be extreme for me to take such a notion. But I do believe that many others do accept this and I have feared for years that a small number of Americans wil do exactly that and it will happen in my Kid's lifetime at minimal. I dread the thought. Scary times we live in and people are quite quick to take to the sword more times than not nowadays. Or so it seems to me anyways.

Originally posted by nunya13
Here's my problem with the idea of any kind of revolution right now: It wouldn't be a revolution; it would be a civil war.

We're not talking about the people fighting against a corrupt government here. We're talking about people who hold certain political ideologies wanting to violently remove those with opposing views from office. Fighting over ideologies doesn't get any one anywhere and only opens the door to tyranny.

I could easily get behind some kind of uprising in which the people finally woke up to the fact that our politicians, regardless of political orientation, are all corrupted and in collusion with the corporations, who fill their pockets, to siphon the wealth in the country up to the those at the top.

Our problem isn't socialism, communism, theocracy, Naziism, or anything like that. It's corporatism. The government and the corporations are colluding with each other in a quid-pro-quot relationship to ensure their continued survival, respectively. Meanwhile, the corporate-owned media is pumping out the propaganda that gives the illusion that it is a conservative or liberal problem in order to keep us distracted from identifying the real enemy that is tearing this country apart.

That enemy isn't your tree-hugging neighbor. It isn't your gun-toting uncle. It's the corrupted, money-hungry politicians and corporations (and by proxy, the lobbyists) who are passing legislation after legislation that ensures their continued wealth and positions of power while the masses are left to squabble of pennies in the street.

this. right here. exactly right.


and it's not just that we are frustrated with our government, it is world wide... people are realizing the entire idea of "government" is detrimental... it's always oppression...

we're evolving, what kind of government does your idea of heaven have?